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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/7/2011 8:50:21 PM   
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For me, one of life's greatest consolations is that there doesn't seem to be any purpose behind its misery. I can forgive the universe for accidentally creating life--indeed, there's nothing to forgive. But to forgive someone for deliberately doing so? Never.

You could say that atheism has allowed me to make peace with God.



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be a God?


"A God"?

God as a "thing"?





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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/7/2011 8:52:09 PM   
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Because while you struggle and suffer through life you can rest assured that there is a magical place in the clouds where you will eventually be happy for all eternity.



God as a "place"?




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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/7/2011 8:55:22 PM   
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For me, one of life's greatest consolations is that there doesn't seem to be any purpose behind its misery. I can forgive the universe for accidentally creating life--indeed, there's nothing to forgive. But to forgive someone for deliberately doing so? Never.

You could say that atheism has allowed me to make peace with God.

Life can't be all fun and games, you need the misery and suffering to either:

A) Be thankful you aren't suffering the same misery.
B)As a contrast to all the pleasure

I see people have their lives ripped apart by those storms in the US recently and these people thanked god they wasn't killed. They however didn't wonder who created such storms in the first place. Perhaps god was trying to assassinate them but he missed the target.



God as an "assassin"

this is getting more out there as this thread progresses.


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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/7/2011 10:22:38 PM   
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Nope, not allowed. You must be in a concrete thing so that the resources you used in life are never returned to the soil from which they came.


With all of our accumulated toxins these days, we're probably better off inside concrete boxes...

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/7/2011 10:48:52 PM   
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"I intend to disappear into the earth, return to the spirit of nature, to continue that cycle."

Nope, not allowed. You must be in a concrete thing so that the resources you used in life are never returned to the soil from which they came.

T^T


Pst.. T? Cremation is still legal.

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 4:18:34 AM   
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What I really can't do myself is answer the questions of how and why. How was it all brought into existence, and why? It would be nice to be able to have that explained to me.

I can do that.

"How was it all brought into existence". I will assume that you refer to the cosmological act of the creation of the universe by the Divine, as opposed to the creative acts and magical rituals as performed by the pagan gods of old. Answer: meticulously. There were a lot of binary calculations 'preceeding' that. (Notice that I necessarily put 'preceeding' between those upper comma's, as time as we perceive it is limited to our universe.) Actually, I rather suspect that it might be more accurate to assume that they were qubit - look it up on Wikipedia - calculations.

"and why?" Answer: for the answer we may and perchance must consult the acts of the pagan gods and extrapolate from those acts to the Divine. Egyptian mythology states that the (pagan) Creator created the gods and men because he was lonely. Extrapolating this motive to the Divine, we must conclude that the Divine would love us to be its companion. So give it a hug, okay?

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 5:32:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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What I really can't do myself is answer the questions of how and why. How was it all brought into existence, and why? It would be nice to be able to have that explained to me.

I can do that.

"How was it all brought into existence". I will assume that you refer to the cosmological act of the creation of the universe by the Divine, as opposed to the creative acts and magical rituals as performed by the pagan gods of old. Answer: meticulously. There were a lot of binary calculations 'preceeding' that. (Notice that I necessarily put 'preceeding' between those upper comma's, as time as we perceive it is limited to our universe.) Actually, I rather suspect that it might be more accurate to assume that they were qubit - look it up on Wikipedia - calculations.

"and why?" Answer: for the answer we may and perchance must consult the acts of the pagan gods and extrapolate from those acts to the Divine. Egyptian mythology states that the (pagan) Creator created the gods and men because he was lonely. Extrapolating this motive to the Divine, we must conclude that the Divine would love us to be its companion. So give it a hug, okay?



If the divine were lonely it could have created a few HAWT it-chicks for itself and spared us all the freakin aggravation

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 5:54:26 AM   
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If the divine were lonely it could have created a few HAWT it-chicks for itself

Apparently you missed it: there are plenty of beautiful women around. (If only I did not have herpes and if secondly I did have the guts to introduce myself to one of them.)

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and spared us all the freakin aggravation

What aggravation? If anybody feels aggravated, why blame another being for that? How about taking responsibility oneself and not feel aggravated? If you do feel aggravated, then do go ask a Buddhist for a counsel. Or ask a Christian and he may tell you such things as "The Divine works in mysterious ways".

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 8:27:34 AM   
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What aggravation? If anybody feels aggravated, why blame another being for that? How about taking responsibility oneself and not feel aggravated? If you do feel aggravated, then do go ask a Buddhist for a counsel. Or ask a Christian and he may tell you such things as "The Divine works in mysterious ways".


The Divine works in mysterious ways and awwww the poor thing felt lonely. How strange to call the Divine an "it" and then anthropomorphize it with human emotions. Lonely? I venture if the divine could not handle being alone in the Universe it should not have signed up for the job. Can't take the emptiness get out of the Universe, say I. But nooooo! Instead the clumsy and piss-poor designer 'creates' (dubious) a Universe filled with chaos, suffering, and evil. What a BOTCH!

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 8:32:13 AM   
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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 8:51:31 AM   
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The Divine works in mysterious ways and awwww the poor thing felt lonely.

I wasn't quoting verbatim, so I said that it was lonely, not that it felt lonely.

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How strange to call the Divine an "it" and then anthropomorphize it with human emotions.

You are quite right in that. Notice, though, that I did not anthropomorphize the Divine with human emotions. You are the one that did so. I merely extrapolated from the pagan Creator to the Divine.

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Lonely? I venture if the divine could not handle being alone in the Universe it should not have signed up for the job.

Before the creation of the universe there was no universe to be alone in. There was only the Divine and - presumably - nothing else.

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Can't take the emptiness get out of the Universe, say I.

For whatever reason would anyone want to do so? Without emptiness there would be all kinds of problems.

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Instead the clumsy and piss-poor designer 'creates' (dubious) a Universe filled with chaos, suffering, and evil. What a BOTCH!

Our perspectives differ. You know what? You can go and inhabit a universe without chaos, suffering, and evil - and I will take this (if only for that reason more pleasant) one.

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 8:59:04 AM   
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So I can get my 72 Virgins three of which will look like Uma Thurman.

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 9:00:44 AM   
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Could be all those virgins look like your mother.

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 11:36:58 AM   
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Before the creation of the universe there was no universe to be alone in. There was only the Divine and - presumably - nothing else.


And your empirical or theoretical foundation for this categorical comment is what?

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 11:41:16 AM   
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The devine didnt create the chaos, suffering or the evil... we did.

Yep we'll just forget about what happened in Japan not long ago. Totally manmade that chaos.

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 12:03:34 PM   
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Before the creation of the universe there was no universe to be alone in. There was only the Divine and - presumably - nothing else.


And your empirical or theoretical foundation for this categorical comment is what?

A full time and independent preoccupation with cosmology and particle physics from 1990 until and including 1995 or thereabouts.

I inserted the word 'presumably' because conceivably other universes might have been existed before our two, though I consider that unlikely, unless they were (a) try out universe(s). I rather think that the extrapolation from the pagan Creator in Egyptian mythology is correct: only our universes exist.

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 12:04:58 PM   
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The devine didnt create the chaos, suffering or the evil... we did.

Yep we'll just forget about what happened in Japan not long ago. Totally man-made that chaos.

Quite.

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 12:15:55 PM   
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For me, one of life's greatest consolations is that there doesn't seem to be any purpose behind its misery. I can forgive the universe for accidentally creating life--indeed, there's nothing to forgive. But to forgive someone for deliberately doing so? Never.

You could say that atheism has allowed me to make peace with God.



You kind of sound like the the stereotype atheist that theists love to portray. Miserable in a life devoid of meaning. Best not to do that as it only encourages them.

There are plenty of reasons to want to believe there is a god.

For the meek: The promise that your suffering will be rewarded in the afterlife.

For the powerful: A tool by which to keep the meek meek with the promise that their suffering will be rewarded in thre afterlife.

For the more thoughtful: An explanation for all those things you don't understand, until such time as a suitably bright human comes along and explains them.

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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 12:57:30 PM   
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You know from my perspective mankind needs gods, because we are too unwilling to accept BLAME for our own actions.  Who better to blame our stupidity on, than some "spirit-in-the-sky".



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RE: Why would anyone want there to be a God? - 5/8/2011 1:20:50 PM   
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The devine didnt create the chaos, suffering or the evil... we did.


Nah, tazzy. Humans did not create the chaos of the birth and death of stars. Nor the chaos of storms and plate tectonics and fault lines. Nor did we create the suffering of innocent children caught up in cyclones, earthquakes, tsunamis and disease. Evil? Well maybe some. Some however does not necessarily come from free will. I offer the compulsive degenerate murderer Jeffrey Dahmer as a case in point. I am convinced there is a human evil that arises from beyond reason and will. Not saying it is a supernatural force. Oh no. Saying the neural wiring is fuked up. A screw is loose. So, not sure that all human evil is willful and therefore responsible.

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