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sunshinemiss -> Why We Love Star Trek (5/7/2011 7:55:55 PM)

This has always been my favorite episode of Star Trek - of ALL of the series and the movies. The Measure of a Man, Star Trek, The Next Generation.

http://www.wimp.com/finesttrek/ I've picked up a couple of phrases from it and use them in my every day life - "When people of good conscience..." and "burn away irrelavancies..."

I was delighted to see this scene end up on wimp.com where others can experience it. Enjoy (and live long and prosper!)

best,
sunshine





Termyn8or -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 2:57:16 AM)

I don't quite know where to start. I am not really a fan of anything, but when it comes to Star Trek, I would say I'm more of a freak. Seriously. I never went to those events and all that, in fact I think those people don't really pick up what the authors were laying down. While they get into the garb, learn Klingonese and try to act the part(s), I think they miss the point.

Most of the incarnations of the series brought up moral and ethical issues in a way that provoked thought. That seems rare today. The only one I didn't like was the newest one, which is set not as far in the future. Of course I may have been spoiled rotten by the other series'. That's a very good possibility.

It all started when I was six years old. By seven I finally learned how to STFU. There were no VCRs back then, so it was shutup or get out. I found it better to shutup, rather than the alternative, which was to "go play in traffic". Originally I wasn't too fond of TNG, but it grows on you. There was a season or two I thought watched too much like a soap opera, but again, you get used to it. I have several seasons on VHS, in fact some episodes on beta.

There's one thing of which I'm unsure. Data pretty much saved the human race from the Borg. Was this episode before or after that ? Damn good way to pay some[thing/one] for saving your ass if after, and if before they would all be assimilating all over the place.

There is simply too much to say. I could easily go beyond the twelve paragraph limit (self imposed). But I will say this, they sure knew how to write a cliffhanger. I have most of them, I would actually reserve a tape for them.

If you want to focus on dealing with bigotry, TOS had a few episodes dealing with that as well. The two from the planet Sharon for example, black on one side and white on the other. Which was it now ? You had to be white on the right side or something ? And a crewman accusing Spock of being a Romulan spy because of a common ancestry. Things like that. But in that episode even Spock agreed that the Romulan ship with the new weapon and cloaking device must be destroyed - because that's how them people are ! They want war. Give that a roll in the grey matter.

I found a bunch of TOS episodes on youtube, and here and there. I watched just about all I could find. I've now moved on to IMDB and the Outer Limits and I'm just about through all of those, both the 1960s version and the 1990s version. If you like Trek, you'll like a bunch of those as well. I have a recommended list. In fact since your example is from TNG, a few episodes come to mind. A Stitch In Time is a good one, and there is a sequel as well called The Final Appeal which is a two parter.

This was worthy of watching, just like Star Trek. It's like I have trouble enjoying fiction unless it brings up issues. To me, that is substance. I think we are too entertained and not provoked into thought enough anymore.

If this thread takes root I'll be here. If not there's always mail. Excellent subjects can be invoked based on the plot(s) of these shows. I've never been much into fiction, but these are exceptions.

T^T




sunshinemiss -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 3:42:17 AM)

Hello Termie - This episode is (I believe) from the first season. Maybe the second. I, too, loved all the ways of looking at things. The black/white face thing from TOS was a great example of showing the nonsense of prejudice.

As an aside, I read once that Rod Sirling (sp?) had proposed a television show that would be thought provoking and discuss moral / ethical issues. He was shot down. What did he do? He went back to the drawing board and created The Twilight Zone to do the exact same thing. Interesting that he had to "trick" people into thinking!

Also TOS - I remember being shocked with the Joan Collins episode when she is killed and they go back and change history so she doesn't die - and then Hitler lives and life is just even more dreadful. I was in High School when I was watching these shows, and I like to believe they influenced the openness that I now feel about people living as best they can.

Right before TNG came out, I had taken a gender studies course and had been discussing the power of words with a friend. We talked about how in Star Trek they say, "... where no man has gone before." She thought that it was ridiculous to think that was sexist. When TNG came out and the beginning said, "... where no one has gone before," she at last was convinced there was something to this "words are power" thing.

I could go on and on, but then people will think I'm even more of a dweeb than I really am - I just love the philosophy, the creativity, the moral dilemmas that were a part of the shows. And Gene Roddenberry - what a brilliant man.

best,
sunshine




pyroaquatic -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 3:46:21 AM)

This is my favorite episode of star trek! Seriously I think I have the hots for data.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 3:47:04 AM)

You would not be the only one pyro.... [;)]




Termyn8or -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 3:52:50 AM)

He is fully functional y'know.

Sunny, I'll pick you up at eight, we'll go to the Dweebatorium. It'll be a blast. You might have to drive home. lol

T^T




sunshinemiss -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:06:25 AM)

You know... Tasha and I had that very talk. She was shy about it, but when she at last told me about it, Spot wasn't the only kitty cat that Data loved. oo la la.

I'm TOTALLY there Termy!




lazarus1983 -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:06:59 AM)

Deep Space Nine is my favorite,and was able to shine because Rick Berman was so focusef on shitty old Voyager. It's funny how Star Trek started out new and original, but Berman became so protective of what he thought Star Trek was he turned it unto an empty shell going through the motions. Jonathan Frakes talked about in an interview there were certain camera angles Berman wouldn't allow.




needlesandpins -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:10:17 AM)

fr

i'm a big fan of star trek and always have been and have also enjoyed all the spin offs too. i don't have a huge amount to say really other than that.

i was thrilled though to have someone to go and see the latest film with though. we saw it on a huge screen with big noise and it was, for me, just fantastic. i couldn't sit still finding myself leaning forward in eager anticipation. feeling the vibrations through the seat from the noise gave me a sence of almost being there with them too. i enjoyed learning more about how it all began and seeing the younger charactors. the enermy ship was wonderful to look at and made my friend think that maybe alastair reynolds had had some influence somewhere, but we didn't spot any mention to him in the credits.

jean-luc picard........that voice is just wonderful.

needles




sunshinemiss -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:13:58 AM)

For you needles and pins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF2StmlnmN4




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:26:02 AM)

Yay, I'm back, lol.  Tried to post here hours ago but it would not go through.  So I went offline and went downstairs to watch some episodes of Firefly instead.

I love TNG, The Measure of a Man is my favorite episode.  When Guinan drops the bomb about disposable people...  Got to watch that one again soon.

If they had made episodes of two of my favorite TNG books, I would be hard pressed to say which is the best, and would have to put them into categories for drama and laughter.  The two books I am talking about are Q-in-Law and Metamorphosis.  I have the entire series on DVD, but I am missing a few of the books.  Planning to take care of that this year...found a used bookstore. <grins>

The moral and ethical issues were the meat and potatoes, but...gawd I wish I could have learned to speak Klingon too, lol.  I sent off for some casette tape that would teach Klingon, as well as a book, I believe, but I was busy coming out of remission and never got around to it.  It would have been something of a joke/game with my son for homeschool, as kids in our area are supposed to take a foreign language. 

I did geek out enough to buy a Star Trek TNG Monopoly game with pewter figures...and sent off for more figures like Guinan and Geordi...and yes, mine are carefully hand painted and perfect in every way.  <le geeky sigh>

I also have two groaning book cases of Trek books, and way too much Trek stuff around the house.  Got a Worf, Picard, and Riker doll...but none of Data.  [:(]  With all the moves I had to do over floods, my various Enterprise and Enterprise D's are broken and trashed.  Even the phone I used to have...

Thousands of CCG cards.  Yeah, have Data...and...his cat, who was part of the Fajo Collection. 

Um...I also have a TNG chess set...  [:D]




Termyn8or -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:28:01 AM)

LOL

T^T




rulemylife -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:28:03 AM)

Live long and prosper.

Dailymotion - William Shatner SNL skit Get A Life




Termyn8or -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:30:59 AM)

"Um...I also have a TNG chess set"
 
Gotta get one of those 3D chess sets like Spock used to play in TOS.
 
T^T




needlesandpins -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:39:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

For you needles and pins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF2StmlnmN4


lol, thank you very much!

needles




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:46:58 AM)

You're talking about that multi-tiered thing? 

I do not have the old generation on DVD.  Yet.  (I tease a friend of mine who thinks that Kirk was a better captain than Picard...by calling them the old generation.  I love the original Trek too, but I never wanted to boink Spock or Kirk...)

My chess set is of the crew VS their alternate universe selves.  I wish they had sold different sets...it would have been fun to put aside the alternate universe ones and replace them with Klingons, Ferengi, Borg, Romulans, etc.

(Yeah, they SHOULD have consulted me before making that set.)  [;)] 




Termyn8or -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 4:48:34 AM)

Deanna's Ma was a trip. But then maybe she should go with the Ferengi. She wanted to have a wedding performed nude, and Ferengi Women are not allowed to wear clothes. Seems like it might work out.

T^T




PeonForHer -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 5:35:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Hello Termie - This episode is (I believe) from the first season. Maybe the second. I, too, loved all the ways of looking at things. The black/white face thing from TOS was a great example of showing the nonsense of prejudice.


10th April, 1998, the Good Friday Agreement brought the beginning of the end of most of the fighting in Northern Ireland. My father, who'd nearly been killed once by an IRA bomb, ranted about us 'chummying up' to terrorists. The next night, they showed an episode of TNG, the theme of which was a peace treaty between the Federation and the Romulans. Much bad feeling everywhere - old hatreds, old fears - it didn't look as though it'd work out.

In the end, the treaty went through. What won the day was the view that 'We're not pretending to be friends, we're not asking that we all like each other. This is politics - it's about survival. We're just agreeing not to fight anymore'.

Brilliant. My Dad saw that episode and agreed with the point. Funny, though, because the BBC is hyper-touchy about showing any programme that might seem 'insensitively scheduled', much less politically-biased. Maybe, for once, it decided to stick its neck out and give a little moral lecture.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 5:37:28 AM)

You have to go about 40 seconds in.... Remember this lady?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjP8LqSPj8A&feature=related




Termyn8or -> RE: Why We Love Star Trek (5/8/2011 5:49:22 AM)

No. Even when I watched TV I watched very little of it. I can't stand most of it, much less the news. Half of what they say is fiction anyway, so I don't kid myself. Nothing you see on the screen is real. Some fiction is fine, but at least say it's fiction.

Know what, I used to like when the disclaimer came on that said "Any similarity to real persons alive or dead is coincidental", this after watching people beam around, fly at warp speed using technology that hasn't been invented yet. But then alot of that uninvented technology has actually now been invented.

Any factual content is not the allure, at least for me. It's the issues invoked.

T^T




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