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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:00:37 PM   
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the deaths of coal miners in WV or Kentucky mean nothing to some it would seem

The capitalist has never had a problem with others deaths and in fact has killed...when it comes to a profit. Maybe it's that endearing historical quality in seeking slaves back in the day...to steal all of their labor. Where does corporate manslaughter rank on our moral Richter scale ? Not very high apparently.



Reading this I automatically thought of the "cargo spoilage" of as much as one-third of each slave ship buried at sea.

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:00:40 PM   
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In America it will be Obama's fault and the Republican party's fault if 10 years from now we are still depending on oil for our power.

Obama should be making alternative fuel sources and power trains a legislative priority and shoving it down the Republicans throats. Just imagine if we had been serious about alternative energy sources under Bush with the first big oil crisis. We would have been well on our way to energy independence and out from under big oil.

The new industries would have been thriving...providing jobs and allowing us to withdraw from dependence on the middle east.

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Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!

Just imagine if we would have really used the Department of Energy as intended, (Thanks, Jimmy!!) Just imagine if one of the first acts of RR wasn't ripping the solar panels off the roof of the White House.

We could have led the world in alternative energy technologies and be living like Samso, Denmark. Energy neutral, how does that sound?!



How pathetic.  Look...take "electric" out of the brand "electric car" and replace it with "coal fired".  OK???  Electric cars are COAL FIRED cars.  What do you think gets burned to generate the electricity for the car?  It is either coal or nuclear.  I would prefer coal, shale, tar, oil, propane to be burned over nuclear any day.  You want a car to run on water?  GREAT!!!!  I do too.  Make one.

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:03:44 PM   
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Openly admit to what they are doing instead of the mealy-mouthed half assed denial were seeing after they get what theyve been clamoring for all these years
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How about putting the blame where its due
the oil companies being hugely greedy , the suits the financial blood suckers, the speculators pushing up the prices so they can afford that lovely little trinket they have to have today. CEOs with millions they sure as hell didnt earn honestly.

If they cant do it ethcially and safely, cleanly  they should have the cost taken out of their profits and wages.
where is that blame?

FR to this statement
Capitalism isnt a political theory?
no its a crumbling failing lie all you need to do now is figure out the quiet way to get rid of the unworthy.
Beyond cutting their help to the bone....




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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:04:22 PM   
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You get a lot of hydroelectric power in a couple of states, and along the Canadian border.

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:07:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		If there was adequate mass transportation we could get over our love affair with cars.

I'm well aware of the irony of burning coal to get electricity. The point is, we are doing f***-all about developing cleaner, non-fossil fuel ways to generate and use electricity.

Green is currently more expensive. Better technology will bring prices down. Look at pc prices. Remember in the good ol' days when they cost $1200 dollars (with printer and modem) for a 64k system?? Look at how much more you can do now, with even your phone!

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:08:05 PM   
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Leftists are clamoring to remove the dams areound here to "save the salmon" etc

Leftists are the energy Nazis...

NO ENERGY FOR YOU!!!

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Hydroelectric cars?
You get a lot of hydroelectric power in a couple of states, and along the Canadian border.


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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:09:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is not enough hydroelectric ability to run cars, airports, college campuses, neighborhoods, commuter trains, hospitals, government offices, businesses, etc.  Right?  You don't disagree with that, do you?  In fact, if you add solar power and windmills, you still don't generate enough energy for those uses without fossil fuels.

How much bulk do you have to consume maintaining a 2,000 house at 68 degrees with a pellet stove?  Tons and tons and tons.  This is all lovely conjecture but the fact remains that fossil fuels are still integral to powering the human race and will be for the next 100 years. 

I'm all for solar, wind and geo thermal energy...great stuff.  But I harbor no illusions about how little a dent they actually make in the grand scheme of things.

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:13:24 PM   
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There is no way we can build mass transit system servicing the entire United States, especially the Western United States... and we already have mass transit in the cities.

If you want to get over your love affair of cars do it, theres no one stopping you, but I would thank you to keep your leftist politicians from butting into my life

Some places its too dangerous for the more vulnerable citizens to use mass transit anyway, and things arent getting better that way

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If there was adequate mass transportation we could get over our love affair with cars.

I'm well aware of the irony of burning coal to get electricity. The point is, we are doing f***-all about developing cleaner, non-fossil fuel ways to generate and use electricity.

Green is currently more expensive. Better technology will bring prices down. Look at pc prices. Remember in the good ol' days when they cost $1200 dollars (with printer and modem) for a 64k system?? Look at how much more you can do now, with even your phone!


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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:15:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sanity, you are absolutely right.  Also, in response to Moonhead, doesn't hydroelectric energy over salinate the water supply and damage the rivers?

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:17:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I filled up this at Quiktrip morning for $3.85 a gallon. Coworker went to fill up at 3:30 and it was $3.99.

I am not sure who is to fault, but I am sure it fucking sucks!

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:18:14 PM   
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.........I'm all for solar, wind and geo thermal energy...great stuff.  But I harbor no illusions about how little a dent they actually make in the grand scheme of things.


It's said that we could decrease our usage up to 40% in just being more efficient with the power we DO use.



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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:22:04 PM   
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There is no way we can build mass transit system servicing the entire United States, especially the Western United States...

If you want to get over your love affair of cars do it, theres no one stopping you, but I would thank you to keep your leftist politicians from butting into my life ...........


I didn't say YOU HAVE TO give up anything.

There is no way to do so if we are not looking for it. I've got to go to work now, I'll be riding my bicycle. See Ya!!




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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 3:23:01 PM   
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.........I'm all for solar, wind and geo thermal energy...great stuff.  But I harbor no illusions about how little a dent they actually make in the grand scheme of things.


That's great.  So you will concede that we still have to rely on fossil fuels.  Ok...so the next issue becomes, how does the average person put 20 solar panels on top of his/her house at $800.00 per panel, plus the wiring and, if it were me at least, the battery?  That is a pretty pricey home improvement, wouldn't you say?  How long will it take to get that money back?  Does your house get re-assessed for that kind of improvement?  Is your existing roof young enough that you shouldn't do your roof first?  Perhaps having a drilling company come into your basement and sinking a geo-thermal well might be cheaper.

It's said that we could decrease our usage up to 40% in just being more efficient with the power we DO use.



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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 6:52:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Too bad Reagan didn't start construction of the geosynchronous solar power satellites, we'd have useful capacity online right now.

Look, pretty much everything we bitch about is a secondary effect of the energy shortage.

And it's raining energy, we just need to learn to build buckets and capture it.

With cheap energy, it's possible to solve all the secondary issues.

And when we went from nowhere to THE MOON in 8 YEARS, don't tell me Americans can't do it... We've had the tech for almost 40 years now.

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 8:40:49 PM   
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.........I'm all for solar, wind and geo thermal energy...great stuff.  But I harbor no illusions about how little a dent they actually make in the grand scheme of things.


That's great.  So you will concede that we still have to rely on fossil fuels.  Ok...so the next issue becomes, how does the average person put 20 solar panels on top of his/her house at $800.00 per panel, plus the wiring and, if it were me at least, the battery?  That is a pretty pricey home improvement, wouldn't you say?  How long will it take to get that money back?  Does your house get re-assessed for that kind of improvement?  Is your existing roof young enough that you shouldn't do your roof first?  Perhaps having a drilling company come into your basement and sinking a geo-thermal well might be cheaper.

It's said that we could decrease our usage up to 40% in just being more efficient with the power we DO use.





If I could I would. Did you know there are companies that will lease you solar panels in exchange for the electricity you are able to sell back to the power company (less your own use)?

Guess what? That's a new industry! More jobs, more solar electrical production, more need to produce solar panels.

The point I've been trying to make isn't one or the other side is totally wrong and f'ed up. It needs to be part of a comprehensive whole. It's going to take all the ingenuity and innovations we can make to get off the oil economy. It will take time.



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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/10/2011 11:30:00 PM   
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Sanity, you are absolutely right.  Also, in response to Moonhead, doesn't hydroelectric energy over salinate the water supply and damage the rivers?
How in the fuck can a river over-salinate itself? This one of the most amazingly stupid things I have ever read on teh interwebs.


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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/11/2011 4:55:08 AM   
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Sanity, you are absolutely right.  Also, in response to Moonhead, doesn't hydroelectric energy over salinate the water supply and damage the rivers?

So your initial post, that all electric cars derive their power from coal fired power plants, was incorrect, then?
Yes or no?

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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/11/2011 5:10:34 AM   
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Theres no such thing as a stupid question Hippee

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Sanity, you are absolutely right.  Also, in response to Moonhead, doesn't hydroelectric energy over salinate the water supply and damage the rivers?
How in the fuck can a river over-salinate itself? This one of the most amazingly stupid things I have ever read on teh interwebs.



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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/11/2011 5:12:15 AM   
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New jobs for the Chinese...

Do you think the EPA is going to let anyone open a new factory here?

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If I could I would. Did you know there are companies that will lease you solar panels in exchange for the electricity you are able to sell back to the power company (less your own use)?

Guess what? That's a new industry! More jobs, more solar electrical production, more need to produce solar panels.

The point I've been trying to make isn't one or the other side is totally wrong and f'ed up. It needs to be part of a comprehensive whole. It's going to take all the ingenuity and innovations we can make to get off the oil economy. It will take time.




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RE: All Obamas fault!!!! - 5/11/2011 6:12:09 AM   
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