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NiceGuyNihilist -> Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 1:44:36 PM)

Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males

Check-a, check-a, check it out:

http://www.melissathornton.com/AlphaFem/AFexamples/janefonda.htm

It's not long or difficult reading, so if I suspect you of contributing to the thread without having read the speech, I will boil you in your own entrails. Actually, I'm not sure that's possible. But do you really want to find out?

Some highlights:

See, although I've always been financially independent, and
professionally and socially successful, behind the closed doors of my
personal life I was still turning myself in a pretzel so I'd be loved
by an alpha male. I thought if I didn't become whatever he wanted me to be, I'd be alone, and then, I wouldn't exist.


Personally, I rather like the thought of a pretzel-shaped Jane Fonda, at least if we're talking about Jane Fonda circa 1975. But presumably, if you're a man reading the speech, you're not supposed to admire the man who motivated her to so contort herself. That's because you are a giving, empathic, sensitive good listener--a "vagina-friendly" man, as she will put it later in the speech--who is far above doing anything just to see a scorching hot babe bend her legs behind her neck and lick her own pussy. With her hands tied behind her back. And a vibrator in her ass. And--hey, easy on the tomatoes, Janey-pie. I'm just trying to illustrate what pigs some men can be.

She goes on to say:

There is not the time nor is this the place to explain why this was
true, or why it is such a common theme for so many otherwise
strong, independent women.


So, not only does she admit that she has been a resident of Pretzelville, but frankly states that she's observed many other women there as well. And not just any women, but strong and independent ones! Is it too much to assume that if "otherwise strong and independent" women often end up bepretzeled to badass alpha males (damn, I'm hungry for pretzels now), women who are not otherwise strong and independent are even more vulnerable to the silly-putty treatment? And doesn't that take care of just about all the women in the pool? And--I'm in a dangerous mood today--if we can observe that there is not one culture in the world where this general scenario does not hold true, does that not suggest a biological rather than cultural cause? Good luck with your genetic engineering endeavors, Jane!

A little further on:

It's hard to see clearly when you're a pretzel.

True I'm sure, but what's a little nearsightedness when you get to lick your own pussy? You can see everything that matters. And put down the shotgun, Jane. Can't you see I'm just trying to give an example of an insensitive male pig?

There's more I want to say, but I've got to roll or I won't make it to the gym today. Have fun, everybody!

Awareness and Arturas! Paging Awareness and Arturas to the lobby!




LaTigresse -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 1:47:44 PM)

Kinda helps out all those s-types that say they are strong, independent, etc etc etc..........except to the right man, now doesn't it.

I think her personal relationship inclination has been pretty obvious for a very long time.




DesFIP -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 4:14:02 PM)

You seem to think that a woman can't be personally submissive to the man of her choice and also want equal pay for equal work. Why do you see a dichotomy there? There is none.




Zonie63 -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 4:29:04 PM)

"Vagina-friendly men"? That's a really odd phrase to use. I would think most men would claim to be such. ("Sure, I'm friendly towards vaginas. I like vaginas very much.")

quote:

This movement will be a volcano that will erupt in a flow of soft,
hot, empathic, breathing, authentic, vagina-friendly, relational lava
that will encircle patriarchy and smother it. We will be the flood and
we'll be Noah's ark.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 5:24:07 PM)

what the fuck does one have to do with the other?  you seem to think any of what she said in any way takes away from her feminism. that's friggin daft.

they don't come much more feminist than me and strong dominant alpha type males are the only type that have ever attracted me. its like getting all excited because a duck waddles as well as quacks.

hannah lynn




SternSkipper -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 6:40:52 PM)

"And all of them are smart, good men who want to be
considered the "good guys." But the Male Belief System, that
compartmentalized, hierarchical, ejaculatory, and centric power
structure that is Patriarchy, is fatal to the hearts of men, to empathy
and relationship."


But once you get past picturing her as a pretzel, read on a bit, you'll see what she really thinks about men like you and I, see 'patriarchy' as she misuses it, is a big part of what we're about.
  In a way, I think it sad she changed. I am comfortable with what I am and don't need someone who's made a career of changing her allegiances either empathizing on my behalf. Nor do I need her thinking up paragraph-long ways to re-conjure the n-word. 
  Incidentally, that article is about 8 years old now, and now that she's desperately trying to become the next Opra-esque network owner, she is back to gently kissing men's asses, while retaining her hard feminist clit[:-][:-][:-]




Hillwilliam -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 6:48:00 PM)

Let's see if I have this straight.

An "Alpha female" is attracted to VERY Dominant males.

I don't see what the problem is. She's an "Alpha sub" ok, no big fuckin deal.. just beause MOST guys cant handle her doesn't mean that NONE can. Just sayin. [8D]




kalikshama -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 7:13:01 PM)

Well, Eve Ensler coined "vagina friendly men." Go Eve! The Vagina Monologues production I saw included monologues given by actual victims of war rape and genital mutilation and made a powerful statement for the continuing need for women's rights.

Jane sounded pretty feminist to me. Yes, one can like alpha men AND believe in equal rights.




kalikshama -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 7:15:27 PM)

Alpha sub, I like that :)

These days whenever a couple invites me to join in, I say, "No thanks, I need to be the alpha female."




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 7:47:40 PM)

from dictionary.com.....

dork   /dɔrk/ Show Spelled
[dawrk] Show IPA

–noun Slang .
1. a stupid or ridiculous person; jerk; nerd.
2. Vulgar . penis.
3. Obvious stren sea captains


hannah lynn




Awareness -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 9:34:54 PM)

Big surprise.

What she really means is:  "I've gone through menopause and have no desire for sex anymore.  Suddenly, I'm enlightened."

The rest is the usual nonsense guacamole feminists trot out about patriarchy, fear of masculine power and how we should all just love each other.  Completely naive in its conception and demonstrating a total lack of understanding when it comes to human beings.

I like the bit about Vagina-friendly men.  Quite literally, pussy-men!

"Sign my bill you girly men."  - I so miss the Governator.




Lockit -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 9:40:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Big surprise.

What she really means is:  "I've gone through menopause and have no desire for sex anymore.  Suddenly, I'm enlightened."

The rest is the usual nonsense guacamole feminists trot out about patriarchy, fear of masculine power and how we should all just love each other.  Completely naive in its conception and demonstrating a total lack of understanding when it comes to human beings.

I like the bit about Vagina-friendly men.  Quite literally, pussy-men!

"Sign my bill you girly men."  - I so miss the Governator.



OMG ROFLMAO! I was avoiding this thread like the plague... but... dude you are seriously comical.






sexyred1 -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 9:40:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Let's see if I have this straight.

An "Alpha female" is attracted to VERY Dominant males.

I don't see what the problem is. She's an "Alpha sub" ok, no big fuckin deal.. just beause MOST guys cant handle her doesn't mean that NONE can. Just sayin. [8D]


I am glad someone gets that concept. Why any of this is being questioned is strange. She married Ted Turner, hello?




Awareness -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/10/2011 9:45:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit
OMG ROFLMAO! I was avoiding this thread like the plague... but... dude you are seriously comical.
  It's a gift.  Honestly though, the lack of tone in this medium means the one-liners get missed 9 times out of 10.  Kudos for picking it up.




DarkSteven -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/11/2011 5:08:41 AM)

Well, duh.  She was married to Ted Turner for years.  He didn't grow a massive company from nothing by being a sensitive, tender guy.




Palliata -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/11/2011 6:24:10 AM)

A sub whose blog I read had a slogan: Feminism is also about my right to say 'yes.' She pursued happiness in the way that seemed reasonable to her at the time, and now she's pursuing it differently as she gets to a different point in her life. That doesn't ruin her credibility as a feminist.




NiceGuyNihilist -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/11/2011 6:41:33 AM)

I took off yesterday before I got around to making the main point I wanted to make, which is that if Jane Fonda's alpha-male ex had been the sort of sensitive, empathic man she said the world needs more of in this speech, he likely wouldn't have been fucking her. How often do feminists choose men who'd wear "this is what a feminist looks like" T-shirts as lovers? It'd be interesting to know.

I don't see a contradiction in an alpha woman submitting only to an alpha man. Makes perfect evolutionary sense. The best pair up with the best, the rest pair up with whom they can--basic selfish-gene logic. But JF seems to want a world in which female submission to high-testosterone males is not the general rule--and that will never happen, barring genetic engineering. (And we all know only men can be engineers.)




LaTigresse -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/11/2011 8:00:53 AM)

Soooo, are you saying a man cannot be strong, alpha, dominant, in control and still be empathetic and sensitive?




SailingBum -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/11/2011 8:56:06 AM)

For those of you that don't know Hanoi Jane was a spoiled rich kid communist whore. If I ran into her today I'd prolly spit on her the way my fellow vets did back in the 70's. nuff said

BadOne




LaTigresse -> RE: Rip-Roaring Feminist Jane Fonda Admits She's Been a Sucker for Alpha Males (5/11/2011 9:06:05 AM)

Well................yay!




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