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ORIGINAL: tj444
Yes, and all the taxes the govt collects from a worker using someone elses SSN is put into a different fund and the govt keeps it all, the worker does not ever benefit from it and neither does the person whose SSN was used. Over the last few decades the amount of $ they have from those workers is huge. The IRS knows exactly where those workers are but wants the money more than they want to deport them.

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

Thanks tj444, and lockedaway.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Yes, and all the taxes the govt collects from a worker using someone elses SSN is put into a different fund and the govt keeps it all, the worker does not ever benefit from it and neither does the person whose SSN was used. Over the last few decades the amount of $ they have from those workers is huge. The IRS knows exactly where those workers are but wants the money more than they want to deport them.

Is this public information? I would imagine that if they are making that much money, it should be public info. Mind telling me, where I can look for this.

Relating to this, should that money be used to send to the "repatriated to" country, for assistance in the rehabilitation of the people who grew up here, but is sent back to a country/norms they do not know? M

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The 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including housing, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization assistance and even food stamps, The only services that illegal immigrants can still get is K-12 education and emergency medical care. So people that claim that illegal immigrants are living off welfare at tax payers expense is not true either.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

May want to check on that, tj. California has a fund for the kids of illegal immigrants who are born here. The parents dont "get the money" but they get it in the kids name.

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The 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including housing, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization assistance and even food stamps, The only services that illegal immigrants can still get is K-12 education and emergency medical care. So people that claim that illegal immigrants are living off welfare at tax payers expense is not true either.

This I suppose, is where the reproducing comes in, because that would make the little ones qualified for all of the privileges.
Blanket statements in general, are usually not helpfull to issues concerning humans IMO. M

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

If he entered the country illegally, he has to return to his country of origin to reenter legally, and this process takes time. It might have been easier had they married in Mexico and then she return with him to the USA.... then it would not have been a problem.... sadly.

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May want to check on that, tj. California has a fund for the kids of illegal immigrants who are born here. The parents dont "get the money" but they get it in the kids name.

If the kids are born here then they are born as American citizens and not illegal and different than what i am referring to. If the kids were born elsewhere and came to the US as children then they would not qualify for that fund.

I know someone, an American woman living in CA that fell in love with a Mexican and they got married. So far it has taken them 4 years to go thru the paperwork and process of him becoming a legal immigrant. This is no fake marriage thing either, they are very good together, i have never heard them argue and he works hard every day, he cleans the house, he cooks, he behaves like a father to her young boy (not his kid) and supports him too. I wonder if the real father even pays child support, the real father never visits the kid so I suspect he could be one of those dead beat dads. He went back to Mexico last week and had an interview about his immigration, he has to stay down there until he is told they will give it to him. This woman told me she was told that all applications are turned down so she is very afraid that he will not be allowed back to CA at all. And people wonder why illegal immigrants dont become legal, its cuz it is that difficult and takes years. This couple has gone thru this for 4 years.

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The 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including housing, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization assistance and even food stamps, The only services that illegal immigrants can still get is K-12 education and emergency medical care. So people that claim that illegal immigrants are living off welfare at tax payers expense is not true either.

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quote]This I suppose, is where the reproducing comes in, because that would make the little ones qualified for all of the privileges.
Blanket statements in general, are usually not helpfull to issues concerning humans IMO. M

If the kids were born in the US then they are American citizens and should be treated as any other US born kid is. I would expect that its just the kids with that status that could get welfare but I wonder just how many actually do. If i was an illegal I would not be putting my kids name in for welfare, simply because i would not want to be deported. Do you happen to know any illegals doing that? I think peoples perceptions are different from reality.

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If he entered the country illegally, he has to return to his country of origin to reenter legally, and this process takes time. It might have been easier had they married in Mexico and then she return with him to the USA.... then it would not have been a problem.... sadly.

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May want to check on that, tj. California has a fund for the kids of illegal immigrants who are born here. The parents dont "get the money" but they get it in the kids name.

If the kids are born here then they are born as American citizens and not illegal and different than what i am referring to. If the kids were born elsewhere and came to the US as children then they would not qualify for that fund.

I know someone, an American woman living in CA that fell in love with a Mexican and they got married. So far it has taken them 4 years to go thru the paperwork and process of him becoming a legal immigrant. This is no fake marriage thing either, they are very good together, i have never heard them argue and he works hard every day, he cleans the house, he cooks, he behaves like a father to her young boy (not his kid) and supports him too. I wonder if the real father even pays child support, the real father never visits the kid so I suspect he could be one of those dead beat dads. He went back to Mexico last week and had an interview about his immigration, he has to stay down there until he is told they will give it to him. This woman told me she was told that all applications are turned down so she is very afraid that he will not be allowed back to CA at all. And people wonder why illegal immigrants dont become legal, its cuz it is that difficult and takes years. This couple has gone thru this for 4 years.

This is what you stated...

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The 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including housing, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization assistance and even food stamps, The only services that illegal immigrants can still get is K-12 education and emergency medical care. So people that claim that illegal immigrants are living off welfare at tax payers expense is not true either.

Illegal immigrants are getting welfare, food stamps, all sorts of government benefits because they are having "anchor babies".

As far as your friend, I feel for them, I really do. But the bottom line is people are in Mexico and other countries doing it the legal way from the get go and are having to wait. What makes the man in your friends case any different?

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

You do realize that there is no such thing as an "anchor baby", they will deport you and your US born children right back to Mexico, where once your kids are 18 they can come back and claim their citizenship. To claim that somehow the immigration laws change because you spawn here is fallacious. I do not know if the welfare system gives people assistance that are here without documents, but the INS grants them no special favors.

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So under this delusional view, the parents have their kids here, go back to Mexico, and then in just two years shy of 20 they get to come back with the kid who "sponsors" them as a citizen.. edited to add, if you enter illegally to have the kid, you cannot get sponsorship when they come back to the USA, because they will not allow people who were here illegally to be sponsored in such ways... this further tramples the assertion that people spawn here for legal status[8|]

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I think it sucks to insinuate that Mexicans are all looking to take our tax dollars and welfare money when they come here and work their asses off for a pittance, and have very little legal protection from employer abuse.

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stats on illegals getting welfare or other benefits

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
You do realize that there is no such thing as an "anchor baby", they will deport you and your US born children right back to Mexico, where once your kids are 18 they can come back and claim their citizenship. To claim that somehow the immigration laws change because you spawn here.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/07/san-francisco-stop-detaining-arrested-immigrants-deportation/#ixzz1MOt1GuCC

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So under this delusional view, the parents have their kids here, go back to Mexico, and then in just two years shy of 20 they get to come back with the kid who "sponsors" them as a citizen.. edited to add, if you enter illegally to have the kid, you cannot get sponsorship when they come back to the USA, because they will not allow people who were here illegally to be sponsored in such ways... this further tramples the assertion that people spawn here for legal status[8|]

Spawn... nice way to put giving birth. And if you believe its just Mexico that these people are coming from,

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The Marmara Manhattan offers “an exclusive package for new mothers that wish to give birth in the USA”, with the additional bonus of the newborn child gaining US citizenship.

The Marmara Manhattan, which is located in New York’s Upper East Side, told The Times: “What we offer is simply a one-bedroom suite accommodation for $5,100, plus taxes, for a month, with airport transfer, baby cradle and a gift set for the mother.” There are also medical fees of about £20,500.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

I personally think having a baby born as a US citizen is a detriment. Once that child starts earning income, no matter where in the world he/she lives, he/she will be legally required to file a US tax return every year and if the income is over a certain amount, then pay whatever US tax is owed. To me, that is a major disadvantage of US citizenship. The IRS has, from what I have read, started checking to see if US citizens (when they enter the US) have filed US tax returns.

Now that may not matter to many, but it would matter to me.

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stats on illegals getting welfare or other benefits

Stats? Nope. Neither side of this issue can agree on numbers. But, I do know that illegals can get SSI. PRUCOL allows this. There was also, recently, a DMV employee who was caught selling DL's to illegals for 1500 to 3000 a pop.

http://www.mynews3.com/story.php?id=42530&n=5035

And guess what you need to get a SS card or other benefits from the government? An ID.