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ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/13/2011 6:12:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I don't care. I am not a Borg nor part of a collective. Others are not a part of me, I AM AN INDIVIDUAL. You fuck with me I will kill you. I don't care if 99% of the children in the whole world get mowed down by the next postal worker, I do not give up my right to kill.

You want it dirty and ugly, here it is. I won't blow your head off for fucking me out of $1,500 if I like your kids. All these people around here are faces. They talk and talk and all this shit but if you get them pissed they will kill you. That is our way. We are savages, here and around the world, you have seen footage I'm sure on BBC at least.

We have Mexicans. and all kinds of middle and south Americans coming in here who don't take shit. Well neither do I, this is MY country and if I have to be put to the chair and/or put away for exercising my right to KILL, so be it.

It gets uglier than that. N______ here have killed others for their fucking tennis shoes. Why don't you try living in an environment like this before you pass judgement on our savages, to whom if we do not respond and KILL, will kill us.

This country is a war zone, and except for me you are talking (apparently) to people who live in ivory towers somewhere, perhaps Telluride, Colorado.

I don't live in Telluride and I can tell you that only about 5% of this rock is like that.

And if your government want you to disarm yourself, why don't they disarm themselves ? Answers me that. They are supposed to represent you right ? So why do they need the superior force ? Riddle me that Batman.

T^T


Wow !! Paranoid much? I had to look at your profile to see where you are from. Cleveland explains A LOT. (I grew up in Lakewood.) I'm sure there are parts of Cleveland that are a war zone.

You do need to get out more. Most of the country is not like that, it's actually a pretty good place to live.


The US right to bear arms is a deep rooted component of our constitution and contributes to how we identify as a nation. Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine explored this concept back in 2002. One of the things I learned in this film was that, although Canadians have more guns per person than the US, they have so many less gun homicides.

Americans love guns, it's part of our heritage, and I can't see guns being outlawed here anytime soon. Even *I* believe in the right to bear arms (and I am one of those liberal namby-pamby pacifists).

But I would like to see more gun control in this country. Who needs an assault rifle or an Oozy to defend themselves?

As for handguns around small children, of course they should be unloaded a/o locked up, but that does render them ineffective as a defensive weapon.

I think anyone who buys a hand gun for defense should be required to have lessons in gun safety and operation. (A hand gun you don't know how to use is also fairly useless.)

I'm a shot gun or rifle girl myself, and back when I was into that kind of thing, a really great skeet shooter. If I had to choose a firearm for defense it would be a shotgun (I'm subtle that way). I'd far prefer to live somewhere where I didn't feel the need to arm myself.

The only guns we have here are antiques for display only, although the man assures me his civil war era musket would shoot just fine. He just needs 30 seconds or so to put the powder in, ram down the bullet and wadding, and then put on the percussion cap. Then he's good to go !!



Muttling -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/13/2011 1:44:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

The US right to bear arms is a deep rooted component of our constitution and contributes to how we identify as a nation. Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine explored this concept back in 2002. One of the things I learned in this film was that, although Canadians have more guns per person than the US, they have so many less gun homicides.





Moore was quite incorrect in that detail.   The U.S. is number 1 in the world for firearm ownership per capita and has triple the number of firearms per person as Canada which is usually ranked 8th or 9th.   If you want verification, you'll need to go digging through the Small Arms Survey that is conducted annually by the University of Geneva (link at bottom.)  Another detail Moore left out is that firearm ownership in Canada is restricted by law to hunting and sporting weapons.   It is illegal in Canada to own a firearm for self defense purposes.

This said, gun ownership is not what drives crime.   The majority of our murders are gang related and we have larger gang problems than Canada.   Similarly, Mexico has larger gang problems than we do and they have a higher rate of homicides yet a lower rate of gun ownership than America or Canada.

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/publications/by-type/yearbook.html



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/13/2011 1:49:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

The US right to bear arms is a deep rooted component of our constitution and contributes to how we identify as a nation. Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine explored this concept back in 2002. One of the things I learned in this film was that, although Canadians have more guns per person than the US, they have so many less gun homicides.





Moore was quite incorrect in that detail.   The U.S. is number 1 in the world for firearm ownership per capita and has triple the number of firearms per person as Canada which is usually ranked 8th or 9th.   If you want verification, you'll need to go digging through the Small Arms Survey that is conducted annually by the University of Geneva (link at bottom.)  Another detail Moore left out is that firearm ownership in Canada is restricted by law to hunting and sporting weapons.   It is illegal in Canada to own a firearm for self defense purposes.

This said, gun ownership is not what drives crime.   The majority of our murders are gang related and we have larger gang problems than Canada.   Similarly, Mexico has larger gang problems than we do and they have a higher rate of homicides yet a lower rate of gun ownership than America or Canada.

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/publications/by-type/yearbook.html




lol at responding to someone who uses Michael Moore as a source.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/13/2011 2:23:32 PM)

I figure Michael Moore is as good at warping statistics as anyone else.





Focus50 -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/13/2011 2:56:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"I always chuckled at that rallying cry of "Guns don't kill people - people kill people!" Many Americans might well be surprised at just how many people do live in the other western nations of the world who aren't shooting each other in their thousands, annually. "
 
I don't care. I am not a Borg nor part of a collective. Others are not a part of me, I AM AN INDIVIDUAL. You fuck with me I will kill you. I don't care if 99% of the children in the whole world get mowed down by the next postal worker, I do not give up my right to kill.

You want it dirty and ugly, here it is. I won't blow your head off for fucking me out of $1,500 if I like your kids. All these people around here are faces. They talk and talk and all this shit but if you get them pissed they will kill you. That is our way. We are savages, here and around the world, you have seen footage I'm sure on BBC at least.

We have Mexicans. and all kinds of middle and south Americans coming in here who don't take shit. Well neither do I, this is MY country and if I have to be put to the chair and/or put away for exercising my right to KILL, so be it.

It gets uglier than that. N______ here have killed others for their fucking tennis shoes. Why don't you try living in an environment like this before you pass judgement on our savages, to whom if we do not respond and KILL, will kill us.

This country is a war zone, and except for me you are talking (apparently) to people who live in ivory towers somewhere, perhaps Telluride, Colorado.

I don't live in Telluride and I can tell you that only about 5% of this rock is like that.

Okay, I'm an Aussie so you'll cut me some slack if I'm not so familiar with the US constitution, right? Or relevant individual state gun laws, too? But this "exercising your right to KILL" - you're kidding, right? Riiiiiight??? I'm thinking the only thing your paranoia needs to complete the package is your own, personal aresenal of heavy weapons. Fuck me...! lol


quote:

And if your government want you to disarm yourself, why don't they disarm themselves ? Answers me that. They are supposed to represent you right ? So why do they need the superior force ? Riddle me that Batman.

There's no mystery, at all. Australia is no Switzerland; we have a long and proud history of standing up for what's right; of going to war - OTHER PEOPLE'S WARS - as our part of making the world a better/safer place. To that end, of course such a nation needs to maintain modern and affective armed forces.

But that *IS* war. Of course we have our own criminal element and consequently our police carry guns, too. For the rest, you *need* a valid reason for a gun licence - security officer, professional shooter (vermin control) etc. IE, if your livelihood necessitates you carrying a gun and you don't have a criminal history etc, you can get a licence.

A lot did change after the Port Arthur massacre. The recreational shooter was virtually rendered extinct. Outside of police and armed services, there was never fully automatic weapons available anyway. After Port Arthur, all semi-automatic weapons were banned, too - which included a massive government buy-back scheme. If you now wanna shoot for recreation and your job doesn't require a gun licence, you have to join a gun club and shoot X amount of times annually to keep the licence. Or you can be a farmer (vermin control) or produce documentation from farmers saying you can shoot there. It can be done but geeezus, you need your own secretary to follow the paper work.

And that's the big difference - that insane "right to bear arms" for all. We do not justify war with ourselves! What else in the US hasn't evolved in what, 200 freakin' years? Not even the type of arms seems controlled. I mean, FUCK! How many innocents have to die for an ancient right????

Focus.



Muttling -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/13/2011 3:59:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"I always chuckled at that rallying cry of "Guns don't kill people - people kill people!" Many Americans might well be surprised at just how many people do live in the other western nations of the world who aren't shooting each other in their thousands, annually. "
 
I don't care. I am not a Borg nor part of a collective. Others are not a part of me, I AM AN INDIVIDUAL. You fuck with me I will kill you. I don't care if 99% of the children in the whole world get mowed down by the next postal worker, I do not give up my right to kill.

You want it dirty and ugly, here it is. I won't blow your head off for fucking me out of $1,500 if I like your kids. All these people around here are faces. They talk and talk and all this shit but if you get them pissed they will kill you. That is our way. We are savages, here and around the world, you have seen footage I'm sure on BBC at least.

We have Mexicans. and all kinds of middle and south Americans coming in here who don't take shit. Well neither do I, this is MY country and if I have to be put to the chair and/or put away for exercising my right to KILL, so be it.

It gets uglier than that. N______ here have killed others for their fucking tennis shoes. Why don't you try living in an environment like this before you pass judgement on our savages, to whom if we do not respond and KILL, will kill us.

This country is a war zone, and except for me you are talking (apparently) to people who live in ivory towers somewhere, perhaps Telluride, Colorado.

I don't live in Telluride and I can tell you that only about 5% of this rock is like that.

Okay, I'm an Aussie so you'll cut me some slack if I'm not so familiar with the US constitution, right? Or relevant individual state gun laws, too? But this "exercising your right to KILL" - you're kidding, right? Riiiiiight??? I'm thinking the only thing your paranoia needs to complete the package is your own, personal aresenal of heavy weapons. Fuck me...! lol


quote:

And if your government want you to disarm yourself, why don't they disarm themselves ? Answers me that. They are supposed to represent you right ? So why do they need the superior force ? Riddle me that Batman.

There's no mystery, at all. Australia is no Switzerland; we have a long and proud history of standing up for what's right; of going to war - OTHER PEOPLE'S WARS - as our part of making the world a better/safer place. To that end, of course such a nation needs to maintain modern and affective armed forces.

But that *IS* war. Of course we have our own criminal element and consequently our police carry guns, too. For the rest, you *need* a valid reason for a gun licence - security officer, professional shooter (vermin control) etc. IE, if your livelihood necessitates you carrying a gun and you don't have a criminal history etc, you can get a licence.

A lot did change after the Port Arthur massacre. The recreational shooter was virtually rendered extinct. Outside of police and armed services, there was never fully automatic weapons available anyway. After Port Arthur, all semi-automatic weapons were banned, too - which included a massive government buy-back scheme. If you now wanna shoot for recreation and your job doesn't require a gun licence, you have to join a gun club and shoot X amount of times annually to keep the licence. Or you can be a farmer (vermin control) or produce documentation from farmers saying you can shoot there. It can be done but geeezus, you need your own secretary to follow the paper work.

And that's the big difference - that insane "right to bear arms" for all. We do not justify war with ourselves! What else in the US hasn't evolved in what, 200 freakin' years? Not even the type of arms seems controlled. I mean, FUCK! How many innocents have to die for an ancient right????

Focus.



I am quite impressed, you have obviously evolved beyond the point where you need the right to self defense.    You have no gangs, no thugs, no bullies, no thieves, no domestic violence,.......no need for self defense.


Unfortunately, the rest of the world isn't so advanced.   Obviously, the rest of the world is the reason why you need to maintain police and military units.



LadyPact -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/13/2011 11:26:40 PM)

Imus, thanks for posting this article. It really doesn't matter to Me how rare it is that someone gets to protect themselves from being sexually assaulted because they shot their attacker during the attempt in their own home.  It worked.  She didn't have to be a victim and I will say that I'm happy for that.

I appreciate all of the other links and stories, too.  Some of them are very sad and I feel for those who lost children to an accidental shooting.

Thing is, I never saw in the original article that a child was in the home to be in danger of an accidental shooting.  The person who was in danger defender herself. 



Termyn8or -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 2:11:45 AM)

"lol at responding to someone who uses Michael Moore as a source. "

Hey asshole, how about me as a source. You are welcome to come over. Once you piss me off you are welcome to a piece of lead.

I don'y fuck around here. I'm not exactly sure what is your station in life, but let me put it this way. I am a US Citizen, and as such I have the right to kill.

All youse, understand this. I respect your life until I don't. When that happens you better not be there when I get there. I care for everyone for as long as I can. But that day comes, and at that point you are nothing but a bug.   

Anyone anywhere. And it's not that I am unreasonable, but certain things, they will never find your body. I'm done fucking around with people. You wanna be cool and be friends, great. You fuck me over and your own Mother will not be able to recognize you.

I am too old for this shit. I am too close to death. Remember that as of the last few years I don't care if I die, what do you think I think of you ?

And I'll shove hundred dollar bills up your ass.

And if you wanna run cruel,
You got to run on heavy heavy fuel.

What was the name of that group ? Something about money for nothing and your chicks or free..... ?

T^T



Focus50 -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 3:50:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Muttling

I am quite impressed, you have obviously evolved beyond the point where you need the right to self defense.    You have no gangs, no thugs, no bullies, no thieves, no domestic violence,.......no need for self defense.


Unfortunately, the rest of the world isn't so advanced.   Obviously, the rest of the world is the reason why you need to maintain police and military units.


In my defense, I did pre-empt the futility of arguing gun control with Americans in my first post.

And here's you speaking on behalf of the entire rest of the world, no less - pretty impressed myself.

Nothing quite like a gun to soothe the pangs of paranoia.... Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Nuff said.

Focus.



Termyn8or -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 4:28:06 AM)

What happens when the crocodiles are at the door ?

Guns are indeed a killing tool, but I saw no notice on my guns that they should be used to kill ONLY humans.

T^T



Focus50 -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 4:54:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What happens when the crocodiles are at the door ?

Guns are indeed a killing tool, but I saw no notice on my guns that they should be used to kill ONLY humans.


Ummmm..., God'll sort them out, too?

Seriously, you're trying too hard and novelty value has a shelf life.

Focus.



Termyn8or -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 5:38:11 AM)

With crocodiles God will be sorting YOU out,

T^T



Aynne88 -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 6:23:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"My aunt was almost killed in a gun accident in which a hunting rifle went off as my uncle was cleaning it."

He is/was completely stoooooopid then. I hope he's dead, really. It would be better for society. He shouldn't be allowed to have a fucking fork, give him a spork like they give people in jail or the mental hospital, and please don't tell me that he ever drove a car !

No idiot I can think of would attempt to clean a gun without checking to see if there was a round in the chanber, he must be much stooooopider than that. He either didn't know what the fuck he was doing or he lied to you, in that he REALLY meant to shoot.

Total fucking bullshit, either the story or the people. Maybe YOU shouldn't have guns, but that has no effect on MY RIGHTS. And if any idiot comes around here with a gun and doesn't know how to use it, he won't be shooting anyone else. Sorry about his luck.

T^T


Not to be a bitch but kinda. I mean really? He accidently shot her in the stomach? Loaded, while cleaning it? In 44 years of being around guns, owning and shooting guns, and having a family full of gun owners, I have never ever heard of anyone doing anything remotely close to this. No one with ANY experience at all would ever clean their firearm while it was loaded.

I have drawn my gun on intruders in my house once, several years ago, and no way in hell would I ever not own a gun. It's not my problem that idiots leave loaded handguns around children for fuck sake. Bad parenting, not bad guns. I refuse to feel guilty for protecting my house or my body or my car or even my property.



juliaoceania -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 6:29:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Imus, thanks for posting this article. It really doesn't matter to Me how rare it is that someone gets to protect themselves from being sexually assaulted because they shot their attacker during the attempt in their own home.  It worked.  She didn't have to be a victim and I will say that I'm happy for that.

I appreciate all of the other links and stories, too.  Some of them are very sad and I feel for those who lost children to an accidental shooting.

Thing is, I never saw in the original article that a child was in the home to be in danger of an accidental shooting.  The person who was in danger defender herself. 




I think many of us are responding to the title of the thread, which makes is sound as if people are gunning down their assailants with guns all of the time, instead of those same guns being implicated in the deaths of innocent people....

Like I said, I am not going to argue for gun control or to abandon the second amendment. I decided that those who get guns and let their children have access to them, trip and fall with them, get them taken away and used against them, accidentally shoot and kill their family because they think they are assailants.... well less bad DNA in the gene pool! Since these people are militant about their gun rights, I say let them have more, not less..

But I am just bitchy like that some days



Termyn8or -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 9:05:42 AM)

"Not to be a bitch but kinda."

LOL, you are so hot I must repond to you at times. But this one is the kicker. You know, I know and a few members know about guns. Shit I can make a gun. BTW would you like a nice strapon ? (your wrist, get your mind out of the gutter, I'm there and it's crowded)

All kidding aside, think about the chain of events required to actually have a death caused by cleaning a firearm. Now let's narrow it down by type. We are obviously not talking revolvers here, so there is a breech, reciever, whatever the goddamn thing is called. Fuckit, they change the names of everything so just call it whatever.

Now there is either a round in it or there isn't.; Now I can accept the fact that some people are so fucking stupid that they don't know if the weapon is chambeed, hell this is the US, most people can't even tell time.*

But I think omnidirectionally, ans mt next statement will prove that.

How did the ammunition get into the firearm and get chanbered and cocked ?

I have a bunch of ammo here, in fact I'd like to trade some because most of it doesn't fit what I got, but that's a different story. The point is though, that in all the years this ammo has been in my custody, not one round has ever walked or flew or whatever to the breech of a firearm, and caused that firearm to cock itself and turn the safety off. Not once.

I mean I got some 9mm. hollowpoints from about 1984, which were for the Sten. People were lucky they didn'y piss me off then. No ballistics.

But I've had them since then, and not one of those rounds have ever made a move towards any firearm, whether they fit or not.

So now at the point where we have the firearm loaded and chamberdd, ready to shoot, we got some high motherfucker in a room who is going to "clean" it as if he shot it every day.

He's had the thing for twenty years and has gone, hunting numerous times. Of coure hge has no idea if how to work the thing right ? So not knowing that it is a killing tool, he points it at his olady and all the sudden it goes off, all by itself.

Bulmotherfuckingshit.

That shit about cleaning a fun and it goes off, people are goddamnd stupid to use that as defense. Ask Mike Bruno, who I have known all his life and is now in prison for life for that type of shit.

This kid is a goomba of mine, and even though he did it, I would get him out if I could. We have the firepower to break him out but that is not going to happen because it creates a really big mess.

He claims that the gun went off accidentally, it was an old revolver, and the safety was worth shit,  like on  my 1914 or whatever. I actually got into that trick bag with that piece of shit, unable to fire or unload because the safety was half on. I'm just going to take that unsafety clean out of it. When I get the time.

But for Mikey, his poblem has been dealt with via about three million bucks, and they still can't get him out. Even if his story is true and he didn't mean to shoot the asshole at that time there are still; certain facts.

He was threatened, and being a Daygo (son of one of my goombas) he went over there to straighten the situation out, and there were Women involved too, so I'll never get the fullstory, no matter how close I am to the situation.

The facts are he grabbed his gun. He went to this asshole's house, and the gun went off while it was in his hand, killing the asshole.

That's too many peobabilities. If each is a 50% chance let's break it down. The gun works. The gun is loaded. The gun is at the emenies house, and the enemy is dead. 1 2 3 4 , that's about what, one in sixteen or something chance the kid is not lying ? I don't think he's getting out, but if he does, I'll take him in and try to teach him not to kill people so much.

But really, this "it went off while I was cleaning it" bullshit doesn't wash with me. And really if it it did, put the asshole away because he is really too stoooopid to be let loose. And I bet they give him a driver's license.

T^T



juliaoceania -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 9:52:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"My aunt was almost killed in a gun accident in which a hunting rifle went off as my uncle was cleaning it."

He is/was completely stoooooopid then. I hope he's dead, really. It would be better for society. He shouldn't be allowed to have a fucking fork, give him a spork like they give people in jail or the mental hospital, and please don't tell me that he ever drove a car !

No idiot I can think of would attempt to clean a gun without checking to see if there was a round in the chanber, he must be much stooooopider than that. He either didn't know what the fuck he was doing or he lied to you, in that he REALLY meant to shoot.

Total fucking bullshit, either the story or the people. Maybe YOU shouldn't have guns, but that has no effect on MY RIGHTS. And if any idiot comes around here with a gun and doesn't know how to use it, he won't be shooting anyone else. Sorry about his luck.

T^T



Missed this post because I skip much of what you say as you write in a barely comprehensible way much of the time...

My uncle was 13 years old. He was cleaning his hunting rifle. My aunt walked across the room as he was cleaning this weapon. The weapon went off. He was so traumatized he does not remember what happened after he shot her.... she was only 11 yrs old. They say he must have stopped the flow of the bleeding, and he managed somehow to get help. If he had not reacted quickly enough, she would have died, because the blood loss was substantial even though he administered first aid the best he could with as little as he knew.

For you to say he should die... why should I be surprised, you're a fucking psycho who wants to shoot his mother in the head.... whatever dude



NuevaVida -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 10:18:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

The US right to bear arms is a deep rooted component of our constitution and contributes to how we identify as a nation. Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine explored this concept back in 2002. One of the things I learned in this film was that, although Canadians have more guns per person than the US, they have so many less gun homicides.




This said, gun ownership is not what drives crime.   The majority of our murders are gang related and we have larger gang problems than Canada.   Similarly, Mexico has larger gang problems than we do and they have a higher rate of homicides yet a lower rate of gun ownership than America or Canada.




This is what's often left out of "gun debates."  Gun homicide in the US is, in large part, due to gang members shooting other gang members.  Many of those gang members are in their teens, which drives the "teen death by gunfire" rate up.

I believe that's a tragedy, but I don't believe more gun laws are going to solve that problem.  The problem is far greater than the choice of weapon among gangs.

I believe in *responsible* gun ownership.  I acquired my handgun at the age of 18.  I took 4 levels of firearms classes when I began shooting, so I could be as safe as possible with it (that, and, after Level One I realized how much I enjoyed target shooting and wanted to learn more).

In Level One class, we learned to take the gun apart, clean it (NEVER while loaded), and overall philosophies on safe gun ownership.  Those philosophies were drilled into our heads, which was a very good thing.

I have had a gun in my home since I was 18 years old.  That was 27 years ago (wow!).  My sister and her husband have guns (for hunting and protection) which are stored unloaded in a locked gun safe, with the ammunition locked elsewhere.  Their sons have been taught until their eyes rolled, about being safe with guns.  No guns are accessible to the kids, ever. 

I live alone.  One day I was home from work, sick, and a scary looking dude was trying to break into my home.  I was terrified.  I aimed my gun at the door and cocked it, and said "Come in and I'll shoot your fucking head off." I pointed it through the blinds to the door window so he could see the barrel pointing out.  He left. That guy was huge. No idea what would have happened if he came in. Same thing happened with my sister, in a different town.



LadyPact -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 10:34:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I think many of us are responding to the title of the thread, which makes is sound as if people are gunning down their assailants with guns all of the time, instead of those same guns being implicated in the deaths of innocent people....

Like I said, I am not going to argue for gun control or to abandon the second amendment. I decided that those who get guns and let their children have access to them, trip and fall with them, get them taken away and used against them, accidentally shoot and kill their family because they think they are assailants.... well less bad DNA in the gene pool! Since these people are militant about their gun rights, I say let them have more, not less..

But I am just bitchy like that some days

I didn't find it bitchy, julia.  [:)]

Personally, I didn't want guns in My house any time that a minor lived in it.  Let's just say that My daughter is curious like Me and well..........  I know there wouldn't be a good ending in one form or another.  Even if I kept the thing unloaded, locked up, bullets buried in the backyard somewhere, in an unmarked spot, with laser sensors for motion detection.  Yes.  That's My kid and Me knowing My kid.  LOL.

At the same time, then I read something like what NV posted.  I have to wonder how often it also works out like that.  There's no big news story because she didn't have to shoot the guy.  I know a lot of people don't go for the scare them off theory for the gun debate, but thankfully, it worked in NV's case, too.



NuevaVida -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 10:46:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Personally, I didn't want guns in My house any time that a minor lived in it.  Let's just say that My daughter is curious like Me and well..........  I know there wouldn't be a good ending in one form or another.  Even if I kept the thing unloaded, locked up, bullets buried in the backyard somewhere, in an unmarked spot, with laser sensors for motion detection.  Yes.  That's My kid and Me knowing My kid.  LOL.


I don't have kids, but have always been extremely careful when kids came over.  I'm aware of where the piece is, where the ammo is (quite hidden in the other room) and the kids are not allowed in that room without my being there.  If I had kids of my own, the gun would go.  As it stands, I just have the cat, and without opposable thumbs, I'm not too concerned, lol.

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At the same time, then I read something like what NV posted.  I have to wonder how often it also works out like that.  There's no big news story because she didn't have to shoot the guy.  I know a lot of people don't go for the scare them off theory for the gun debate, but thankfully, it worked in NV's case, too.



You know, even with my "4 levels" of training, my hand still shook while holding it, in that situation.  One of the philosophies drilled into me in class was "Do not EVER aim a gun at someone you do not intend to shoot, and do not EVER shoot someone you do not intend to kill."  It's not something I took lightly.

Had he entered, I'd have fired, and I'd have considered it a tragedy for both of us, even though I would have come out of it alive.  Alive but forever changed. 



Termyn8or -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/14/2011 12:44:27 PM)

"My uncle was 13 years old. He was cleaning his hunting rifle. My aunt walked across the room as he was cleaning this weapon. The weapon went off. He was so traumatized he does not remember what happened after he shot her.... she was only 11 yrs old. They say he must have stopped the flow of the bleeding, and he managed somehow to get help. If he had not reacted quickly enough, she would have died, because the blood loss was substantial even though he administered first aid the best he could with as little as he knew."

Bullshit. Are you saying that someone who is able to clean and/or otherwise maintain a firearm cannot tell if the weapon is loaded ? Is that what your saying here ? He knew ALL ABOUT guns, and HE KNEW how important it is to keep guns well oiled and cleaned,. Is that correct ? But in all of his wisdom concerning the subject now he is unable to discern if the weapon is loaded and ready to fire or not. What's more he had no idea where the person he shot would be standing at the time, and out of 360 degree sphere, that one bullet which would have had about a one in 11 million chance of hitting his target, just did by chance.

I have oceanfront propery in Arizona, and ALSO NEW NEW NEW ! in Belin, New Mexico. No matter what anyone says, he shot her on purpose. He may have been young and dumb and full of cum, but that's the fucking truth.

T^T



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