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mnottertail -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:12:18 PM)

Same as is standard for any individual that makes that amount.




Lucylastic -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:14:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ive never met a liberal who tried to stop people from working to go on welfare
what a bunch of cobblers
however, where are the jobs??? are you saying the cuts are not part of the repubs plan Boi???
why arent they focussing on what they said they wanted for americans???




Actually, I was just trying to see if I could sound as bigoted as the idiot I quoted. Maybe if I practice more or ask 59 which jr high he gets his ideas from [8|]




Yeah actually hon you did a pretty good job of it without any help...it was why I asked, Im surprised at at you!!![:D][:D][:D]
theres only one reason I would move to the USA, it aint in the cards tho.
Having said that, I will be visiting often and many places in the next few years, there are too many fun, special and  good people I would miss the hell out of.





farglebargle -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:14:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mezrem

Call it as you wish, it does not change the fact no answer was given. How much is enough 50%, 70%? How much should we strip from them before it is enough.



Consider taxes to be the fees you pay to use dollars, so the more dollars you use, the more tax you owe...

If you don't like it, don't use dollars.




kalikshama -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:14:29 PM)

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Not all pregnancies are planned... some are even conceived in the presence of birth control. And it only takes one child with a special need to break the bank.


Can't argue with that. I think my point is if you are planning a family with a stay at home spouse, enlisting in the military is a bad choice financially.




mnottertail -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:14:42 PM)

Now, what exactly does the GOP have in their bonnets that creates jobs, and why haven't they done so, instead of theorizing anew about shit that has already been widely and credibly disproven for years and years and times and times and whining about socialism and percieved media unfairness?




Lucylastic -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:16:35 PM)

I have to take it that its more obfuscation, denial, hijack and ignoring of the questions and passing the buck,
Just another day in politics with the party of NO




Musicmystery -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:21:39 PM)

Nor that you changed the subject and misrepresented the post.

Don't they teach argument in schools anymore?




housesub4you -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:23:49 PM)

Ahhh....yes...the point of the thread....And as I thought and you mention...they offer NOTHING...just vain attempts to change the subject...Like it says in the start of the thread...facts is facts...Bush's policies did more to kill jobs than to create them and the GOP offer nothing new...Hell even the people starting to run on the GOP ticket are nothing but people who have failed before at running for the office.  No one new...just the same shit..moved onto a new plate




tazzygirl -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 12:34:02 PM)

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Can't argue with that. I think my point is if you are planning a family with a stay at home spouse, enlisting in the military is a bad choice financially.


Oh, I dont know about that. Medical, housing, ensured paycheck (provided the government is up and running)... seems like a good choice financially. Just takes some planning.




thishereboi -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 2:53:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

5 pages and still nothing credible or valid for jobs jobs jobs by our esteemed colleagues on the rabid right.


Well, if I could solve the countries job problem, I probably wouldn't be sitting here on cm now would I? But go ahead and offer me a decent starting wage and I will get to work on it.




mnottertail -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 2:54:31 PM)

ooooooooooo, there is that. say, ain't all them republican congressmen got a pretty decent starting wage who just got elected on getting us jobs? and I ain't seen em on cm, neither. 




thishereboi -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 2:56:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ive never met a liberal who tried to stop people from working to go on welfare
what a bunch of cobblers
however, where are the jobs??? are you saying the cuts are not part of the repubs plan Boi???
why arent they focussing on what they said they wanted for americans???




Actually, I was just trying to see if I could sound as bigoted as the idiot I quoted. Maybe if I practice more or ask 59 which jr high he gets his ideas from [8|]




Yeah actually hon you did a pretty good job of it without any help...it was why I asked, Im surprised at at you!!![:D][:D][:D]
theres only one reason I would move to the USA, it aint in the cards tho.
Having said that, I will be visiting often and many places in the next few years, there are too many fun, special and  good people I would miss the hell out of.




Well, I hope you let me know if you come to Detroit. There are a lot of really great people here[:)]




Lucylastic -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 3:01:52 PM)

You 're there, thats all I need to know
actually Ive driven thru, twice and at the airport had a connecting flight, I will let you know:)




rulemylife -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 3:13:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

How do the socialists donks defend such a poor record? What accomplishment can you point to for your Dear Leader? Now, keep in mind it was navy seals that killed osama. Dear Leader just didn't screw it up.


Keep in mind that the President makes those decisions.

And while we are talking about the Seals, when they rescued the captain of the Maersk Alabama we had conservatives complaining on here of how Obama executed those poor Somalis who were holding and threatening to kill the captain.

It really gets kind of pathetic after a while.

You are not able to criticize this so you decide it really wasn't his decision to make.

I wasn't aware that Navy Seal teams had that authority.

Learn something new everyday.




DomYngBlk -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/13/2011 7:21:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mezrem

So what you are saying is you dont want to answer the question? You would rather spew the party line against business being the bad guy in all cases.
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Mezrem

In some cases I know this is true, but not in all cases. How much is enough in terms of taxes? What level of profit is acceptable if it's not what the market will pay? Just like with people you find businesses with good and bad treatment of the people that work for them, the public and the enviroment. There comes a point were if you take enough from these people they are going to pick up thier ball and bat and head for the showers because the margins of profit are just no longer worth the effort.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Wonderful if it was true. But what happened was Corporations didn't invest in new and better equipment when they went to china. They invested in massive slave labor work forces to produce inferior products that then were foisted on the American consumer.




True in all cases. Name one company that invented a new route to production that required them to move the plant to china. Or that they even took a new route to production and went there with it. Nada. New plants sure. Same old technology. Only difference is that the CEO's decided to go use Communist slave labor. Considering that most of those CEO"s are conservative republicans it is pretty ironic. Makes me sick to see these bastards wearing a American Flag pin in their jacket and spouting about how much they love this country and at the same time have no regard for their fellow citizens sending a whole generation to the poor house.




Mixing two issues. Taxes have nothing to do with jobs being exported. Everything to do with CEO's and shareholders in the US being greedy and anti-american. I have no problem with low corporate taxes or at the very least whatever the lawmakers agree to. What I do have a problem with is the big lie that they went overseas for some sort of competitive advantage outside of Communist Slave labor......




lockedaway -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/14/2011 2:31:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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$578.00 per week...for 99 weeks.

who gets that for what?



Minnesota maximum unemployment. And thats only the 3rd highest state.



And this puts the lie to all this asswipe of reduction of taxes and all the same old lies that rightwingers put out.

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/corp_inc.pdf

Please note the corporate tax rates in Minnesota, and where they fall on the scale.

Perhaps some of you armchair financialists who have demonstrated that you can't even poor piss out of a boot, or find your own ass with two hands and a flashlight, would care to backpedal like a motherfucker, admit you don't know shit, and have assisted in the robbing of our treasury, or leave in shame.....

Because Minnesota is home to the headquarters the highest number of fortune 500 companies in this nation.     

How can this be, you simpletons?




What asswiping, monkey dung sucking pinhead wrote that Minnesota has the most Fortune 500 Companies in the nation?  Oh...let me see...well, that makes sense.  OK...even MN web page boasts that they have more Fortune 500 companies PER CAPITA than anywhere else in the nation.  Per capita, of course, being the key word.  New York City.....that is one singular city for all of the stupid leftwingers out there......is home to more Fortune 500 Companies than the entire state of Minnesota.

See:
http://www.positivelyminnesota.com/Business/Locating_in_Minnesota/Major_Companies_Employers/Fortune_500_Companies.aspx

And:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2009/cities/

And, of course, the point this poster is making seems to be that higher taxes are good for business.  But saying that because Minnesota is home to more Fortune 500 companies higher taxes must be good for business is a dumb and incomplete argument.  What are the property taxes in Minnesota?  What are the regulations for the businesses that have located there?  What are the perks, if any, that offset the taxes? Michigan used to be home to all of the chemical companies because Michigan used to let them dump in White Lake and Lake Michigan.  Taxation is a disincentive to business...period.   




lockedaway -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/14/2011 2:46:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

YES!!! Glad you asked. :)  Reduce corporate income taxes to the same level as Canada.  We tax our corporations 35.9% to Canada's 16%.  On top of our federal corporate taxes, corporations pay very hefty real estate taxes and state income taxes as well.  We have created an enromous disincentive to do business in this country.  After reducing corporate tax rates, we increase tariffs on Chinese products.  For every U.S. company that has relocated a certain percentage of its workforce overseas, the same tariff applies to them.  Our government provides no funding to nations that have an adersarial stance to the U.S.  [Do you realize we provided hundreds of millions, even billions of dollars to the U.S.S.R. throughout the cold war?  Nope...all of that should be done.  I sound a bit isolationist but would you give $100.00 to your enemy?]  For every "police action" this country engages in, the country should be paid back either in currency or natural resources.  The greatest threat to jobs in this country is the over spending of the Federal Government that causes it to endlessly siphon working capital out of the U.S. economy.

What world are you watching ? This is nonsensical rant. The taxes you speak of are rates not receipts. If our corporate tax rate is so high, why are foreign corps moving here ? The US corp. in total pays an effective rate of 25-27%. So we too should be extorted by the corp. to tax production (labor) rather than consumptions. (revenues)

Those tariffs were few and far between and were never attached to American products, the production of which was exported to China. In any case they are all but gone now except on Chinese tires for obvious trade violations. The resat were only on steel and lumber put on by Bush or are in so-called free-trade agreements are put in by the capitalist/corp. to protect the profits of American companies from foreign competition...ethanol being the single most egregious.

We did not provide Billions to the USSR. Instead during the Nixon admin's so-called 'detente,' we gave them IC technology. That conveniently allowed them to 'MIRV' (install Multiple, Independently targeted, Re-entry Vehicles) their missiles and that we'd just have to spend another trillion (very profitable) tax dollars combating those missiles which also became mobile. Otherwise what we did was sell them cheap grain so their people wouldn't starve and oh BTW...end a very profitable cold war.

The greatest threat to American jobs is a huge, powerful, rich, capitalist fascist regime like the Chinese and even some not so big ones with a cheaper impoverished fascist regime like Vietnam.



Hey Mr. Rodgers, go slip into a cardigan and feed your fish.  The corporate tax rate in the United States is the highest in the world and there are plenty of charts showing what corporate tax rates are world wide, none of which you have produced to substantiate your argument.  I have posted the charts before ad nauseum but here is Wikepedia for your easy reference;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_States

Mr. Rodgers, with some breif flashes of intellect, also substantiates an argument I have made on a number of threads in the past, to wit, we have socialism in this country for the super rich and the super poor.  Looking at Bank of America, Lehman Brother, Merrill Lynch, AIG and all of the others, their failures were nationalized with few or no white collar criminal prosecutions.  The super rich got richer and their losses were absorbed by the population.  THAT is not capitalism, it is fraud.  The responsibility for that fraud rests with Clinton who repealed Glass Steagal and expanded the debacle of the Community Redevelopment Act.

Welfare is the socialism of the super poor.  We have nationalized their source of income and all of their expenses at the expense of the lower middle class to the lower upper class.  And it is only for the lower middle class to the lower upper class that there is capitalism, the fruits of which are ruthlessly taxed.

Mr. Rodgers also makes the ridiculous argument that corporations should not be individuals.  Stupid in the extreme.  So when Henry Ford died, Ford Motor Company should have gone out of business?  So Henry Ford should have been sued personally for the Ford Pinto fires?  Corporate individuals are sued civilly and sometimes criminally.  There is no corporate veil for purposefully criminal conduct.  I would like for Mr. Rodgers to point out where it is in the world that corporations are not treated as individuals.

As far as the LucyLastic example, if we listened to Mr. Rodgers, we would all have an in-house kommissar to tell us how to run our business.  If Lucy wants to subcontract the production of her sex toys to a firm in Indochina, does she not have the right to do that?  Is that what you people are arguing for? 




jlf1961 -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/14/2011 3:12:00 PM)

Well, from the stuff that lockedaway has posted, it seems to me that he is all for the shipping of jobs overseas, which increases unemployment in the United States.

But on the point of the topic, since the Refucklicans have taken over the house, they have proposed nada on the problem of jobs. In fact the FIRST thing they did was a symbolic repeal of health care reform, followed by attacks on social security (which would pay for itself IF congress would keep from borrowing from the funds) and medicare, medicaid, abortion rights, planned parenthood, the poor, the unemployed, but nothing on the creation of JOBS.

Didnt the refucklicans run on a campaign promise of JOBS?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/14/2011 3:17:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

And while we are talking about the Seals, when they rescued the captain of the Maersk Alabama we had conservatives complaining on here of how Obama executed those poor Somalis who were holding and threatening to kill the captain.



bullshit




lockedaway -> RE: JOBS JOBS JOBS...and the GOP (5/14/2011 3:33:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Well, from the stuff that lockedaway has posted, it seems to me that he is all for the shipping of jobs overseas, which increases unemployment in the United States.

But on the point of the topic, since the Refucklicans have taken over the house, they have proposed nada on the problem of jobs. In fact the FIRST thing they did was a symbolic repeal of health care reform, followed by attacks on social security (which would pay for itself IF congress would keep from borrowing from the funds) and medicare, medicaid, abortion rights, planned parenthood, the poor, the unemployed, but nothing on the creation of JOBS.

Didnt the refucklicans run on a campaign promise of JOBS?


What a stupid post.  This one wins the prize.  Earlier in this thread I said that American corporations such as GE would pay tarriffs on the products they sell in the United States if they relocated a certain percentage of people overseas.  In fact, I think I stated this point of view in a response to YOU.  You are intellectually dishonest and don't know sh*t from shinola.

Again, only a dingbat believes that higher taxes incentivizes business.  O'scumbag extended the Bush Tax Cuts and he did it, according to his own words, because he had to.  It was right for the country.  Well if extending the Bush Tax Cuts was right for the economy, why haven't we tripled taxes?  The American Left comprises some of the dumbest people in the world.




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