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John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bin La... - 5/12/2011 9:01:18 PM   
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/john-mccain-to-bush-apologists-stop-lying-about-bin-laden-and-torture/2011/03/03/AF10AnzG_blog.html

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“I have sought further information from the staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and they confirm for me that, in fact, the best intelligence gained from a CIA detainee — information describing Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti’s real role in Al-Qaeda and his true relationship to Osama bin Laden — was obtained through standard, non-coercive means, not through any ‘enhanced interrogation technique.’

“In short, it was not torture or cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find Osama bin Laden. I hope former Attorney General Mukasey will correct his misstatement. It’s important that he do so because we are again engaged in this important debate, with much at stake for America’s security and reputation. Each side should make its own case, but do so without making up its own facts.


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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/12/2011 11:12:29 PM   
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The silence from the right is tortuously deafening.

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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/12/2011 11:24:30 PM   
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so are we to believe the left took the high road 

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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/12/2011 11:36:44 PM   
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The high road is to be a parasite apparently.

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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/13/2011 5:02:46 AM   
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Perhaps staying on topic would be useful?

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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/13/2011 6:31:59 AM   
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Yes this is the "useful" information we got from the torture.     

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/02/11-mastermind-warns-nuclear-hellstorm-bin-laden-killed/

The self-proclaimed mastermind of the 9/11 terror plot told interrogators at Guantanamo Bay that Al Qaeda has a nuclear bomb somewhere in Europe and would detonate it if Usama bin Laden was ever captured or killed, The Daily Telegraph reported, citing WikiLeaks’ cables.

Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, one of the top prisoners at the facility, called the plan a “nuclear hellstorm.” The report, which was first published late last month, said some detainees had comprehensive knowledge of Western countries’ nuclear defense.




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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/13/2011 6:39:10 AM   
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I'm glad McCain is showing he's got some guts after all. As a candidate for Pres he was gutless, but this is going out with a bang and on a high note. Kudos to him- and he's right as well, that this is a debate we need to have to shut down Gitmo once and for all as well as restricting the activities of the CIA.

One observation is that had we not decided to torture people, we might have gotten this information sooner, rather than later. By torturing people, we scare off the people who want to come forward.

As a country- we always do better when we stick to our ideals- and this flirtation with dictatorship has been a disaster on so many levels: to our standing in the world, our economy, and our self respect.

I want a no dictator dividend: get rid of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, and TSA and let's pay down the deficit and stimulate our economy.


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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/13/2011 6:46:36 AM   
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I'm glad McCain is showing he's got some guts after all.

As a country- we always do better when we stick to our ideals- and this flirtation with dictatorship has been a disaster on so many levels: to our standing in the world, our economy, and our self respect.

I want a no dictator dividend: get rid of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, and TSA and let's pay down the deficit and stimulate our economy.


Hear hear.



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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/13/2011 11:15:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: samboct

I'm glad McCain is showing he's got some guts after all. As a candidate for Pres he was gutless, but this is going out with a bang and on a high note. Kudos to him- and he's right as well, that this is a debate we need to have to shut down Gitmo once and for all as well as restricting the activities of the CIA.

One observation is that had we not decided to torture people, we might have gotten this information sooner, rather than later. By torturing people, we scare off the people who want to come forward.

As a country- we always do better when we stick to our ideals- and this flirtation with dictatorship has been a disaster on so many levels: to our standing in the world, our economy, and our self respect.

I want a no dictator dividend: get rid of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, and TSA and let's pay down the deficit and stimulate our economy.


Sam

amen

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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/13/2011 12:44:00 PM   
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Wow, big shocker there!!!! I mean the guy was tortured in Vietnam, and has been against it from the beginning... But don't let that ruin your hard on.

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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/13/2011 12:45:43 PM   
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Wow, big shocker there!!!! I mean the guy was tortured in Vietnam, and has been against it from the beginning... But don't let that ruin your hard on.

He waffled around on the issue quite a lot during his POTUS campaign. It's one of the reasons I stopped supporting him.

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RE: John McCain to Bush apologists: Stop lying about Bi... - 5/14/2011 8:42:16 AM   
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The godfather of torture is Dick Cheney. I am waiting breathless and waterlogged for his eloquent defense against McCain's remarks.

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