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RE: Is real slavery possible - 12/25/2007 2:23:01 PM

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i beleive it is possible.if it was not i would not be in my Lord and Mistress's home as their slave.

i do not come and go freely as i would please,where and when i go somewhere is up to T/them,any funds i have is up to T/them(i have none of my own.everything i wear when out in public is T/their decision,where i sleep is T/their decision,everything i do is controled soley by T/them.T/they give me pemission to post here to talk with others and learn from others.even where i sit when eating is up to T/them.

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RE: Is real slavery possible - 12/25/2007 2:43:36 PM

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People have got to learn to differentiate between historical/institutional slavery and Ds or erotic slavery.

When they can do that, all these sorts of questions disappear.

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RE: Is real slavery possible - 12/25/2007 2:55:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

People have got to learn to differentiate between historical/institutional slavery and Ds or erotic slavery.

When they can do that, all these sorts of questions disappear.

Exactly. That is the case with many things that are discussed here. It makes you want to say "hmmmmm" and then you go, "Oh wow, how fucking stupid is that?" then you get a pang between your legs and everything is back to normal. lol

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RE: Is real slavery possible - 12/25/2007 5:11:09 PM

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*snicker* An emphatic "yes" to both above!

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RE: Is real slavery possible - 12/25/2007 5:27:30 PM

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Yes, and people need to stop fixating on words, too. It's amazing. It's like, "Oh, I don't have anything better to do right now, so I'll fixate on some word and throw myself right into an existential crisis because I'm not sure that I am really a slave."

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People have got to learn to differentiate between historical/institutional slavery and Ds or erotic slavery.

When they can do that, all these sorts of questions disappear.

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RE: Is real slavery possible - 12/25/2007 5:59:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: lkehoeluckekeh
leaving the fantasy aside, i just dont think its possible or realistic, after all slavery is the denial of all human rights and privileges by one person to another, no one has that much control and i am a slave inferior by the way.

Non-consensual slavery has always existed and still exists today. Human trafficking is a common crime in some parts of the world, and men women and children are traded for purposes of forced labor, to be the victims of rape, or to be pressed into involuntary military service.

This is most definitely not the "fun" version of slavery, in my humble opinion, but given that these oh-so-powerful "authorities" are unable to put a stop to involuntary slavery, I seriously doubt that they can put a dent in voluntary slavery. So long as the dominant and submissive in such a power-exchange can keep their realtionship private, they should have no problems.

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RE: Is real slavery possible - 12/25/2007 6:25:53 PM

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Lots of good replies already

All I will add is:

There are women and children in real slavery all over the world and it is not titillating, clever or erotic. Do not even begin to compare the D/s sexual fantasy "slavery" to the misery of our fellow human beings in true slavery. No-one should boast they can make them the same (with powers of attorney, contracts and such nonsense).

In just the last week I have seen research on

1 the kidnapping of rural Korean women into north China where they are repeatedly raped by their hideously ugly new "husband" and beaten to a pulp by him and his family if they try to leave. When Chinese and Korean police finally find these poor women, some refuse to be rescued because they would be forced to leave behind the babies fathered by the rapist. Their love for their innocent children outweighs the horror of slavery. Do you call that "consensual slavery"? Sound titillating?

2 10 year old girls in Afghanistan sold by their families for money, then also raped and beaten but also often physically abused in the home by the "husband" and mother in law. The suicide rate (by self-immolation) of these young children is horrific.

And I could go on and on and on and on.

By all means anyone can pursue the role playing fantasy of being a slave, but keep a grip on reality: it is only an erotic fantasy.

Nothing more: nothing less. "Slave" is a term of pride and endearment in BDSM for those you control (dominate). I use it often, although I prefer "submissive" or "partner" (less pretentious).

But in the end, it is just a cute sexy name for a cute sexy little D/s role playing game ("Mistress and slave") with a bunch of D/s rules and protocols that you two have invented and agreed.

It is not "real" slavery and no-one should aspire to "real" slavery. Shame on you if you do. Join Amnesty International and get some therapy.

[With apologies to all those who really get their rocks off boasting that they own/are "real slaves".]

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RE: Is real slavery possible - 12/26/2007 5:11:36 AM

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Being a non-consensual slave is a strong FANTASY for many of us. Therefore, its a good thing that slavery is prohibited in most of the world or some of us may have long ago foolishly enslaved ourselves.

Most of us cannot imagine what actual slavery is like. The atrocities that MsC describes are horrible. However, I don't think anyone here is advocating a return to historical slavery.

As I read the original question, the issue is whether any form of slavery is possible in the modern world. The simple answer is NO. To have actual voluntary slavery (like contractual indentured servitude) would require laws to permit and regulate it and there is zero chance of that happening.

In the United States, the 13th Amendment prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude except as punishment for a crime. Perhaps the state could sentence someone to a period of slavery after conviction of a crime? ("Mr. Jones, you are guilty of speeding. I sentence you to one year of slavery. You will be auctioned off on Ebay this afternoon.")

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