RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right

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mnottertail -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 9:22:26 AM)
The royal you. You aren't being singled out.

Real0ne -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 9:40:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I think he has little choice...save the most lives and limit the most damage...There is no ideology in that decision just common sense. His true test in leadership will be in the aftermath...How he handles the recovery. Butch I wouldnt go so far as to label fiduciary liability as leadership, but at first blush I sort of came to that same conclusion and I find it interesting that ron is dodging the question.

TheHeretic -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 9:44:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The royal you. I ain't royalty.

mnottertail -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 9:46:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The royal you. I ain't royalty. There is no 'I' in team.

TheHeretic -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 9:54:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail There is no 'I' in team. But there are two in coalition.

mnottertail -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 10:01:03 AM)
Why is this now a case of the greater good? Healthcare is not a greater good, it is robbery and entitlement. Taxation on corporations and wealthy individuals not a greater good, it is robbery and entitlement. Allowing unions the right to bargain is not the greater good, it is robbery and entitlement. Insurance as Capitalism is the greater good, the free market, the risk taking for profit. Those folks are insured, are the insurance companies in those cities going to make it right with the folks that are going under 15 to 25 feet of water? They don't need government assistance, no disaster areas there...they are lazy shiftless individuals who thru their own sense of entitlement drown out good honest people who always paid their bills and did it on their own. They aren't in danger other than from rightwingers trying to save their own asses and fuck everybody else. They only wanted to be individuals, to be left alone, they dont want their tax money and their land and their lives destroyed by these clawing socialists who want to take everything away from them. C'mon, lets do the rightwing shuffle here kids, same as always.

mnottertail -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 10:10:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I think he has little choice...save the most lives and limit the most damage...There is no ideology in that decision just common sense. His true test in leadership will be in the aftermath...How he handles the recovery. Butch I wouldnt go so far as to label fiduciary liability as leadership, but at first blush I sort of came to that same conclusion and I find it interesting that ron is dodging the question. And for you, show me in the state constitution where it is enumerated that the governor has the right to flood private property whereever and whenever he pleases. Don't start bringing reality and realistic choices into this now, you can't have it both ways.

kdsub -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 10:14:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I think he has little choice...save the most lives and limit the most damage...There is no ideology in that decision just common sense. His true test in leadership will be in the aftermath...How he handles the recovery. Butch I wouldnt go so far as to label fiduciary liability as leadership, but at first blush I sort of came to that same conclusion and I find it interesting that ron is dodging the question. And for you, show me in the state constitution where it is enumerated that the governor has the right to flood private property whereever and whenever he pleases. Don't start bringing reality and realistic choices into this now, you can't have it both ways. As I stated above the Supreme Court says they do....even a different state.

mnottertail -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 10:17:59 AM)
Nope, you stated nothing of the sort. You stated the corps of engineers went to court to get it done, federal waterway. That didn't happen here, so we need to see the enumeration in the state constitution that the governor can do it on his own. That was lagniappe for R0, and not a general request, based on his constant hoo-ha. (there may be some scarcastic point in all this, butch....and a damn good one and accurate one if I do say so myself)

kdsub -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 10:27:23 AM)
Nope...I said the Corps AND the state of Illinois took them to court...read the post again. Butch

TheHeretic -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 10:32:34 AM)
Now my personal opinion, Ron, is that everybody who has to evacuate ought to be getting comped someplace nice in the cities, but flood control is one of those functions that only government can do.

juliaoceania -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 2:47:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail No, that is specious asswipe. They requested (according to him, and him only), but he commanded. He should have said no, the interference by the government will cause massive damage to the farmers in the area, and the folks who bought in the floodplain have a wonderful insurance system that will take care of them. To give aid to the many on the backs of the lucky and prudent and good stewards of society is called socialism. The Greatest Good for the Greatest Number.... more people live in New Orleans....

kdsub -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 3:06:05 PM)
I agree with you as I’ve stated above but damn I can sure understand people flooded by opening or blowing levees being incensed. I can understand them saying…hell I paid taxes to build the damn levee let mother nature decide which one fails and who gets flooded. But of course us outsiders not affected will say save the many. I think it would be a good idea to pay off those living in these overflow control areas. Let them continue to farm the area but live outside the flood plain area. That way the land would remain useful but could still be used for flood control without the loss of homes. In Missouri there were only 100 homes in 130,000 acres of farmland. Why not buy them out….allow them to continue to farm the land but live elsewhere. It would be a one time cost but would save billions in the future. Of course I am saying the above like losing a home lived in for generations means nothing…but still a thought even if voluntary. Butch

juliaoceania -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 3:13:28 PM)
Actually, I was just making the point that it is socialism.... The Greatest Good for the Greatest Number is the socialist creed. We have a situation in which the government has subsidized insurance companies to insure homes that are in high risk flood areas and hurricane zones.... along the Gulf if Mexico many developments with ocean front property have been built as a result of these subsidies. In other words, people are building in areas so high risk that without government backed insurance they could not get insurance at all. This is a form of socialism. It is taking the risks to the individual and collectivizing them. If that ain't socialism, I do not know what is. The problem with the type of socialism we engage in is that it always favors the rich instead of the poor. We have no trouble taking the risk from rich individuals and collectivizing them, but we sure as hell hate paying for bad choices of the poor... it is what it is

rulemylife -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 3:15:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The Greatest Good for the Greatest Number.... more people live in New Orleans.... Now be honest, you got that from the Star Trek thread. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) - Memorable quotes Spock: That is wise. Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I think anything Trekkie must be banned for the greater good of all CM posters.

juliaoceania -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 3:18:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The Greatest Good for the Greatest Number.... more people live in New Orleans.... Now be honest, you got that from the Star Trek thread. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) - Memorable quotes Spock: That is wise. Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I think anything Trekkie must be banned for the greater good of all CM posters. I love TNG, but I never have watched the movies.... honestly.... I just had the hots for Captain Picard...lol

jlf1961 -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 4:12:29 PM)
I really hate to burst anyone's bubble, BUT, the opening of the flood gates were a FEDERAL Army Corps of Engineers decision. It is the same strategy that was used upstream from the flood gates when the ACE blew a couple of levees to save cities down stream. The problem I see here is that it is in an effort to save a city that was built BELOW sea level. Hurricane Katrina should have opened the eyes of people living in New Orleans. The logic of trying to save a city that is below the non-flood level of a river is flawed to begin with. It makes as much sense as the BILLIONS being spent by Italy to save Venice. The city is sinking, New Orleans is sinking. quote: New Orleans may be sinking into the Gulf of Mexico even faster than scientists realized. Satellite images reveal that some areas of the city have been sinking at the rate of 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) a year. The findings, published in the current issue of the journal Nature, may shed new light on the failure of the city's levee system and the flooding that followed Hurricane Katrina last August. (See "Hurricane Katrina: Complete Coverage.") A scientific team used one of Canada's RADARSAT satellites to map New Orleans and found that most of the city sank about a quarter inch (0.06 centimeter) annually in the three years leading up to Katrina's landfall. But many areas, including some of the levees designed to hold back the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, sank at four or five times that rate. New Orleans Sinking Faster Than Thought, Satellites Find It is time to move to higher ground.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 4:17:00 PM)
fast reply sheesh it was so fast it didn't let me type-lol. Anyhow, I am just wondering if the people who are flooded out from this decision have flood insurance, since it seems they are not in a flood plane like to ones farther south are. It could really fuck them up when it comes to insurance claims. I hope the government, be it state or federal, is prepared to make them whole. or, I may be so dumb I totally misunderstood all I read about it.......

thishereboi -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 8:43:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wrongo uck. The federal government did not command this. It is a fuckin state issue. Jindal commanded it. You explained nothing. And you are seriously misinformed if not outright prevaricating. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110510/us_ac/8449929_louisiana_gov_bobby_jindal_authorizes_opening_of_morganza_spillway From the article... Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal held a news conference this morning to announce the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has requested the opening of the floodgates of the Morganza Spillway, which will allow water from the Mississippi to flood farms and residential areas in the Atchafalaya Basin. The decision to flood some areas of the state to spare others heavier damage was not undertaken lightly. The Morganza Spillway floodgates were last opened in 1973, and the request by the Army Corps of Engineers to open it once again is a move designed to try to relieve pressure on the state's overburdened levee system caused by the near-record amounts of water being moved along the river's route at the moment.

thishereboi -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 8:47:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I think he has little choice...save the most lives and limit the most damage...There is no ideology in that decision just common sense. His true test in leadership will be in the aftermath...How he handles the recovery. Butch I wouldnt go so far as to label fiduciary liability as leadership, but at first blush I sort of came to that same conclusion and I find it interesting that ron is dodging the question. And for you, show me in the state constitution where it is enumerated that the governor has the right to flood private property whereever and whenever he pleases. Don't start bringing reality and realistic choices into this now, you can't have it both ways. Still can't grasp the fact that this was the idea of the the corp of engineers, can you?

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