RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right

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juliaoceania -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 8:53:46 PM)
Would you make the claim that Bobby Brady wouldn't throw those people under the bus to save New Orleans?

thishereboi -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/14/2011 9:05:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Would you make the claim that Bobby Brady wouldn't throw those people under the bus to save New Orleans? Having never met the man, I have no clue. However, what I do know is that the corp of engineers are the ones who wanted it open. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

luckydawg -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 4:58:00 AM)
Because this sort of nonsense is all the left has. what is bizzare is that some of these dolts do not understand that water will not flow up hill. The farm land would already be flooded, and would have been flooded dozens of times since the last opening of the gates with out the leevees. Everyone who chooses to live in the emergency flood plain is fully aware that in times of major flooding, thier land gets flooded.

juliaoceania -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 6:36:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Would you make the claim that Bobby Brady wouldn't throw those people under the bus to save New Orleans? Having never met the man, I have no clue. However, what I do know is that the corp of engineers are the ones who wanted it open. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Because maybe Jindal had other options, even if those options would not have succeeded in the end, he did have them.

Real0ne -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 6:54:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I think he has little choice...save the most lives and limit the most damage...There is no ideology in that decision just common sense. His true test in leadership will be in the aftermath...How he handles the recovery. Butch I wouldnt go so far as to label fiduciary liability as leadership, but at first blush I sort of came to that same conclusion and I find it interesting that ron is dodging the question. And for you, show me in the state constitution where it is enumerated that the governor has the right to flood private property whereever and whenever he pleases. Don't start bringing reality and realistic choices into this now, you can't have it both ways. well thats sort of a big job LOL I doubt you will find it in any constitution however I will lay down a bet they will do it under eminent domain which is where the people lost their ultimate property rights in the first place to the sovereign. Next you are dealing with interstate issues with everyone up and downstream. For me I have not given this enough thought to do the topic justice. There are so many variables that I do not know, everything from did the people know they were in a flood zone and so forth and so on, I expect they did. This would take some serious time in an area I dont have a lot of interest at this time. On the surface however the guv has a trustee responsibility to to their constituents to properly assess the matters before building and I would expect the suits are or will be hitting the courts soon.

thishereboi -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 6:56:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Would you make the claim that Bobby Brady wouldn't throw those people under the bus to save New Orleans? Having never met the man, I have no clue. However, what I do know is that the corp of engineers are the ones who wanted it open. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Because maybe Jindal had other options, even if those options would not have succeeded in the end, he did have them. So you think he should have told them no and instead try something that wasn't going to work? That makes no sense.

juliaoceania -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 7:03:04 PM)
I think that the larger point the OP was trying to make is that certain politicians pay lip service to being against socialism, until the reality that democratic socialism helps this country run is staring them in the face. I am not saying he made the wrong decision I am not saying that he should have taken another option I am not saying that the army corps of engineers is wrong in this case (although they have been wrong in the past) What I am saying is that if the individual had to bear the cost of their own decisions, if raw unregulated capitalism with no socialism were the law of the land, then the army corps of engineers would not be out there protecting people from living in a flood zone. We would not be saving a drowning city by putting other people under water. What I am saying is that Jindal is a hypocrite for deriding all socialism and then having his state benefit from it REPEATEDLY.

thishereboi -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 7:11:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I think that the larger point the OP was trying to make is that certain politicians pay lip service to being against socialism, until the reality that democratic socialism helps this country run is staring them in the face. I am not saying he made the wrong decision I am not saying that he should have taken another option I am not saying that the army corps of engineers is wrong in this case (although they have been wrong in the past) What I am saying is that if the individual had to bear the cost of their own decisions, if raw unregulated capitalism with no socialism were the law of the land, then the army corps of engineers would not be out there protecting people from living in a flood zone. We would not be saving a drowning city by putting other people under water. What I am saying is that Jindal is a hypocrite for deriding all socialism and then having his state benefit from it REPEATEDLY. Well all I was pointing out was that it was the engineers who came up with the idea not Jindal. Not sure why you had to jump on that since you say you already knew it.

luckydawg -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 10:08:09 PM)
and it is not Socialism by any stretch of the word. The Op was stupid. and false.

Real0ne -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 10:26:09 PM)
the object of syntax terrorism that they use in the legal industry is to blur the purist definitions. So in many cases purist definitions no longer if they ever have applied. Here is a story to drive the point hime. the king of england stood on his soapbox and happily proclaimed that feudalism had been abolished! when examining how they did it..... well they changed the words from subinfeudination to substitution. And this substitution takes place by grantor grantee on land titles.... Different set of of law for the different "label", slightly changed procedure, and shala sazam in every other respect nothing has changed! LOL so yeh its not the purist idealistic view of socialism its a mutation that serves the same purpose.

SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/15/2011 11:53:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg and it is not Socialism by any stretch of the word. Yes it was. Definition of Socialism= a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism quote: The Op was stupid. and false. Were you maybe looking in the mirror when you typed this, and projected this statement to the OP? M

WyldHrt -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 12:06:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg and it is not Socialism by any stretch of the word. Yes it was. No, it was triage. In a disaster situation, you save as many as you can.

SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 1:04:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg and it is not Socialism by any stretch of the word. Yes it was. No, it was triage. In a disaster situation, you save as many as you can. Triage simply means you prioritize service, as I am familiar with. My response was regarding socialism, and when people make it a four letter word, while benefitting from it. So, with your response, are you saying saving/helping people in need, is only socialism, if done in non disaster situations? M

luckydawg -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 5:02:52 AM)
I'm sorry, where is the Army Corp of Engineers (The Federal Government) "vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." and you don't know what Triage means either... 1. the process of sorting victims, as of a battle or disaster, to determine Medical priority in order to increase the number of survivors. 2. the determination of priorities for action in an emergency. Helping people in need is not Socialism, read your own definition. Taking controll of the Means of Production is. Which isn't happening here. Land in Emergency Flood Zones is cheap, so people choose to use it for farming, investing thier Personal Capital, knowing it will get flooded every 30-40 years. So we have an OP with Jibberish sentance fragments, a false definition of socialism, and a total misunderstanding of who makes these decisions. So Yeah, it was pretty stupid, as are the people attempting to defend it.

mnottertail -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 6:54:42 AM)
Ok, one time for the drooling imbecilic ignorati. sentence is spelled sentence, enough of this horseshit and jibberish. Cant understand a fucking thing because it is misspelt. The rest of you arguing this, maybe need to get a very basic dictionary and look up the word request and its derivative requested. Once you can come to grips with your woefully inadequate command of the english language and learn the meaning of request, we will move you up to authorized. As usual the uneducated are blowing hopeless bullshit and passing it off as truth. I would direct your attention to some real figures in that area that is now being flooded: http://www.landandfarm.com/search/Louisiana-land-for-sale/ Additionally, I thought we had a very wonderful, efficient private insurance system in this country that actually deals in floodplain insurance and house insurance and now the goverment is forcing them to step out, a bailout. The poeple are being robbed of a service they have paid dearly for, for many years.... Think of the building material suppliers, the construction workers, the goods and services for profit that is being lost, they could have put many many thousands to work, no uck.....the government is indeed controlling the means of production....socialism. And someone on this thread actually said that the government was good at something, even better than private corporations. How can that be?

juliaoceania -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 7:19:14 AM)
There is a difference between saving the people in a given situation, and repeatedly saving a city that is destined to disappear because of where it is located. If we had a truly free market system ruled by the individual making rational choices and being responsible for those choices (as right wingers always assert they want), then people would not build or buy homes in places that were prone to flooding, or they would have to pay for their own insurance to have homes in such areas. Subsidizing insurance, flooding people who were smart enough not to buy a home in a city under sea level, and paying for the efforts to keep those who bought in a high risk area in it, are all forms of socialism... why not say "Hey, we tax payers will not pay for your high risk city"? Wouldn't that be truly leaving the responsibility of those who live there to take care of themselves instead of leaving it up to the rest of us to pay for their choices? Now, personally, I am for socialism, so it doesn't bother me, but it seems ya'll are very selective in which forms of socialism you like and which you do not.

rulemylife -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 7:53:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg I'm sorry, where is the Army Corp of Engineers (The Federal Government) "vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." and you don't know what Triage means either... 1. the process of sorting victims, as of a battle or disaster, to determine Medical priority in order to increase the number of survivors. 2. the determination of priorities for action in an emergency. Helping people in need is not Socialism, read your own definition. Taking controll of the Means of Production is. Which isn't happening here. Land in Emergency Flood Zones is cheap, so people choose to use it for farming, investing thier Personal Capital, knowing it will get flooded every 30-40 years. So we have an OP with Jibberish sentance fragments, a false definition of socialism, and a total misunderstanding of who makes these decisions. So Yeah, it was pretty stupid, as are the people attempting to defend it. Uhhh........what's pretty stupid is calling anyone else stupid when your post consists of poor grammar, misspellings, and capitalizing things for no apparent reason and not capitalizing things that need to be capitalized. But you go Puppydawg. You're doing yourself proud.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 8:29:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg I'm sorry, where is the Army Corp of Engineers (The Federal Government) "vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." and you don't know what Triage means either... 1. the process of sorting victims, as of a battle or disaster, to determine Medical priority in order to increase the number of survivors. 2. the determination of priorities for action in an emergency. Helping people in need is not Socialism, read your own definition. Taking controll of the Means of Production is. Which isn't happening here. Land in Emergency Flood Zones is cheap, so people choose to use it for farming, investing thier Personal Capital, knowing it will get flooded every 30-40 years. So we have an OP with Jibberish sentance fragments, a false definition of socialism, and a total misunderstanding of who makes these decisions. So Yeah, it was pretty stupid, as are the people attempting to defend it. Uhhh........what's pretty stupid is calling anyone else stupid when your post consists of poor grammar, misspellings, and capitalizing things for no apparent reason and not capitalizing things that need to be capitalized. But you go Puppydawg. You're doing yourself proud. No what is pretty stupid is thinking people won't realize that you have no rebuttal so you nitpick one misspelling and defensible capitalization given the context.

mnottertail -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 8:49:06 AM)
Well since it is clear that she knows what triage means, and used it correctly. And she knows what socialism means and used it correctly.....

jlf1961 -> RE: Jindal: Socialist and Hypocrisy of the Right (5/16/2011 4:32:01 PM)
For the record, I am a liberal. HOWEVER, Bobby Jindal DID NOT REQUEST THE GATES OPENED, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DID. You can read any one of a dozen reports concerning the Army Corps of Engineers making the request to open the flood gates AND blow a levee in Missouri to save cities down stream from those two points. Personally I find it stupid to live in a city that is BELOW SEA LEVEL.

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