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tazzygirl -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/15/2011 8:23:21 PM)
quote: Old enough to know that Newt Gingrich will save America from the downfall that it is currently in. He is not just another political opportunist like all the others. His principled stances, extreme charisma, and his ability to speak to the common man will ensure that he rides into office with a wave of historic voter approval. I know that you have a secret admiration for Newt Gingrich, just admit it! Yeah, i so secretly admire a man who can hand his wife divorce papers on her hospital bed while she is recovering from cancer surgery. [8\|]

Real0ne -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/15/2011 8:34:09 PM)
I thought a more appropriate time was just before going in for the operation

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/15/2011 8:44:13 PM)
You would... [8\|]

SternSkipper -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/15/2011 8:58:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle He's advocating INDIVIDUAL MANDATES for health insurance coverage.... JUST LIKE OBAMACARE. http://www.wpbf.com/politics/27900573/detail.html quote: "we ought to have some requirement, you either have health insurance or you post a bond, or in some way, you indicate you're going to be held accountable." You're confused... Rush Limbaugh is the oxyhead and foreign child sexual abuse ... Newt is simply a serial philanderer with no concept of how to promote himself.

DomKen -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/15/2011 9:02:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle FWIW, I think anything we do at a national level needs nationally integrated health IT technology, and despite the VA's problems, their VistA system ain't one of them... Remember when Clinton proposed a national health record system? Newt was instrumental in demonizing it and preventing its passage. What are the benefits of a national health record system? Why would we want one anyway? Just curious. How many times have you answered the same basic medical history questions, "Do you have any drug allegies?" for instance? If the provider could simply bring up your entire record this sort of thing would be unneeded. Test results could be tracked across decades. For instance my normal temp is 98.9 not 98.6. This makes a "fever" of 99.5 nothing to be noticed while if someone whose normal temp is actually 98.4 it is a more significant fever. Finally is the benefit in ER cases. You're brought in unconscious with severe injuries. A quick thumbprint or check of the wallet for an ID card and the hospital would have all you medical data, including things like drug allergies that tend to make bad situations worse in those sorts of situations. Furthermore the record would likely include your emergency contact info and any medical directives or religious rules (like no transfusions for JW's).

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/15/2011 9:38:16 PM)
Not to mention it would make insurance fraud almost impossible

Real0ne -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/15/2011 9:50:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen How many times have you answered the same basic medical history questions, "Do you have any drug allegies?" for instance? If the provider <- warning wil robinson extreme danger latest BUZZ word PROVIDER could simply bring up your entire record this sort of thing would be unneeded. They are providing for what you have to pay for, sounds like a fraudulent implied trust dont it ken? Test results could be tracked across decades. For instance my normal temp is 98.9 not 98.6. This makes a "fever" of 99.5 nothing to be noticed while if someone whose normal temp is actually 98.4 it is a more significant fever. Finally is the benefit in ER cases. You're brought in unconscious with severe injuries. (yeh so give them the layout of every zit on your ass to calm you FEAR and how many times does that happen) A quick thumbprint or check of the wallet for an ID card and the hospital would have all you medical data, including things like drug allergies that tend to make bad situations worse in those sorts of situations. (and so would any one else. guv databases are regularly sold or otherwise distributed LOL Furthermore the record would likely include your emergency contact info and any medical directives or religious rules (like no transfusions for JW's). yeh no need for any privacy about anything!

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/15/2011 9:52:27 PM)
You make it sound like no one can get that information now.

tweakabelle -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 12:56:25 AM)
Newt has a long history of collapsing under pressure. Just look at his love life for examples of how he makes woeful choices under pressure. I've never heard it suggested that Gingrich behaved properly towards the women in his life. His excuses (about his abysmal record with the women in his life) are about why he made the wrong choices under whatever pressures he claims he felt. By his own account, he repeatedly makes bad decisions under pressure. Surely a track record of repeatedly making the wrong (and happily for Gingrich, self-serving) choices under 'pressure' automatically eliminates him from consideration as Prez. The whole point of the electoral process is to select a candidate who will make correct choices under the enormous pressures of the Presidency. If he ruthlessly and cynically wounds those nearest and closest to him what will he do those not so near or close? Whatever his politics, this person's loathsome record of self serving, destructive and morally bankrupt decisions and behaviours eliminate him from any consideration for high office. I did post most of the above previously. It seems even more pertinent now that he has declared his intention of running for the Presidency. In his relationships with women, Newt has shown all the backbone of an octopus. If you want the USA to collapse under leadership so spineless it couldn't hold up a balloon, Gingrich is the way to go!

Termyn8or -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 3:13:08 AM)
"Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? " I thought he was both. Not that it matters, he's a scumbag. Drugs and shit don't mean a thing. T^T

farglebargle -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 3:19:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl You make it sound like no one can get that information now. It's not that they can't, it's that records stored in a 9-5 doctors office can't be gotten to until someone shows up and answers the phone.... Or, if you has a hospital stay in Colorado, and you're in NY. But also consider this. Every discrete instance of that data, multiplies the cost of storing and managing that data. When we're literally talking about everyone in the country, that's a lot of wasted resources.

kalikshama -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 3:37:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle FWIW, I think anything we do at a national level needs nationally integrated health IT technology, and despite the VA's problems, their VistA system ain't one of them... Would you please expand on this? The double negative is confusing me :) My healthcare is through the VA and one of the things I like is how they are computerized. I'm anticipating a seamless transition when I move from MA to FL. I wish their annoying flu shot and mammogram reminders would go away, though. What I don't like about the VA is that they are always offering me procedures I don't want or need but procedures and medication I do need are hard or impossible to come by. For example, it took 4 months and weekly phone calls, faxes and notes to get a sonogram and I have to buy my Prometrium from Thailand. A lesser woman would have given up. For the most part, the medical personnel are quite professional, but two of the general practitioners have been so dingy I see why they are not in private practice. I found the GYN patronizing and condescending and so only used him to order tests. I did not like that he was my only choice in the tri-county area. I'm hoping for a better one in MA.

farglebargle -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 3:40:31 AM)
To clarify. The VA's computer system is the best in the world.

vincentML -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 3:43:57 AM)
quote: Your healthcare providers are spending a lot of money they don't have to trying to reinvent the healthcare IT wheel. Money which would otherwise go to their bottom line. This is even before we discuss things like collecting standardized epidemiological data etc... Let me understand this. A national IT system implies linkage of many regional systems which implies linkage of data from my HCP does it not? The first question that comes to mind is why should the govt subsidize the bottom line of my HCP? Aren't they making enough profit as it is? Unless you are assuming the national IT would be constructed and maintaiined by private enterprise in which case you are in fact adding cost. Secondly, if the Pentagon defense IT can be hacked what guarantee is there that a national health IT will not be hacked? None, of course. So, why would I want my health data to be so vulnerable. Re standardized epidemiological data the HCP must still make diagnosis about my illness and feed it into the machine. The network will not make my doctor any brighter or less careless. And the increase in the quantity of data going into Atlanta will not necessarily make the analysis of it anymore efficient. Is it not a commonly heard criticism of national security collections that there is too much data to analyze in a timely fashion? Just a gut feeling here that technology is its own imperative and may not really serve a valid human purpose coz when you come down to it the most important factor is the doctor/patient interaction and both already have access to information from the internet. Really unclear as to the necessity or efficacy of overlaying another IT system.

SilverMark -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 3:44:35 AM)
Before Newt became this Big-Time National playe,r he was simply our congressman, and if the district had been a bit more diverse he wouldn't have even been that. No matter how many times he apologizes for his indiscretions, I really do not believe the Evangelicals will find him the least bit acceptable. When he anounced, one of the big time Baptisit ministers from Houston was discussing the fact theat the Evangelical women in particular would have a very hard time forgetting his many indiscretions. I can't even read his revisionist hitorical novels without wanting to hit him in the mouth!

YSG -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 6:18:40 AM)
I dont know if he's on any drugs or drinking heavily, but I will say this: If I cant trust you to conduct your marriage in a decent and honorable manner, I sure as HELL cant trust you to run my country.

vincentML -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 6:27:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YSG I dont know if he's on any drugs or drinking heavily, but I will say this: If I cant trust you to conduct your marriage in a decent and honorable manner, I sure as HELL cant trust you to run my country. I am no fan of Newt but I wonder if the correlation is valid. We have had no shortage of Presidents who were dishonorable in their marriages. There is the well documented, I think, stroy that FDR had a honey on the side while his wife Eleanor also had a honey on the side. Eisenhouer, Kennedy, Clinton, and Johnson of the modern presidents also come to mind as men who dabbled or had other relationships. And Pat Nixon, for whatever reason, was certainly not a happy woman. So, I wonder.

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 6:49:53 AM)
Its one thing to dabble.... its another to walk out on your wife in the manner he did, all the while spouting family values .... Beyond that, he was the one demonizing a President for doing the exact same thing Newt did.... at least Bill didnt walk out on his wife, tossing her divorce papers as she came out of surgery. Im sorry, vincent... there is no comparison. Newt is hypocritical to the extreme on more than one level.

TheHeretic -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 6:54:31 AM)
Of course, should the choice come down to an asshole vs. an incompetent...

DarkSteven -> RE: Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser? (5/16/2011 6:56:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Of course, should the choice come down to an asshole vs. an incompetent... We aren't required to choose. In Newt, we can have both.

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