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BBBTBW -> When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 5:42:26 PM)

I have been in the lifestyle for several years now.  I would never deem to call myself an expert because after all, what is a Pert and am I sure I want to be an Ex???  Just a little lite humor.

As I said I have been in the lifestyle several years (14),  I have had a couple of subs in those years but never anyone I would call a slave.  I have searched for a slave for the past few years but there always seems to be some reason (on their part) why they can't serve me.  Either I am not close enough in proximity, They don't want to relocate to Oklahoma (they can't make the money here that they make in their current locations) or we just simply don't see eye to eye on issues. 

My question is when is enough enough?  I am very tired of going thru the rigamarole associated with interviewing subs/slaves and getting to know them for it all to culminate into the abyss of nothingness.  If there is anyone out there that is having the same or similar issues or if you just have a comment, please discuss this with me as I am really considering calling an end to this whole thing for myself.  I am a natural DOMINANT and just tired of playing all the games that people play.

Ms Loren




BBBTBW -> RE: When is Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 5:45:01 PM)

The title should have been When IS enough enough?!?!?




juliaoceania -> RE: When is Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 6:02:46 PM)

I would say that only you can decide this. I would ask myself if I needed a break from my search, or if perhaps there was a way to search closer to home. It is hard to find the right people no matter who you are or where you are, but it is particularly challenging when you live somewhere that is small, or in my case kinda conservative.

I took a few months off from trying to find people after I quit seeing my former dom, and during that time I questioned whether or not I really wanted to go down this path again, or go back to vanilla... You can never go back, you can only go forward (at least that is my experience). It took only one vanilla date for me to understand I would have to explore D/s as a lovestyle in my life. I think if I were you I would take inventory of what all these experiences have taught you so that when you DO meet the right sub you will be an even better domme then you are today... Because even all these false starts have so much to teach us about ourselves and WIIWD... Just my opinion...




cuddleheart50 -> RE: When is Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 6:19:58 PM)

When all else fails, step back and take a break and look things over....never give up! 




slavejali -> RE: When is Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 6:20:11 PM)

Enough is enough when you decide its enough.

Side-Note: Have you thought about relocating yourself? If the area you are in is so prohibiting to propective partners, and a partnership is truely what you desire, perhaps a change in location is called for? (Realise its not an option for some, just wondered if you'd thought about it).




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: When is Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 6:38:16 PM)

Well if you have had submissives in the past, why cannot you have submissives now?..I know you are in search for a slave but possibly if you develop D/s dynamic eventually it may turn into M/s dynamic..You may have to start at a lesser place and slowly progress to where it is you wish to be...be well...Tempting




MasterC46910 -> RE: When is Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 6:41:02 PM)

We all have hit that point where we try and decide if it is worth all the work to find someone.  There are so many that are not sincere it is hard. 

Sometimes it is best to take a step back and take a break from the search.  Come back refreshed ready to start the search again.




BBBTBW -> RE: When is Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 7:05:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub

Well if you have had submissives in the past, why cannot you have submissives now?..I know you are in search for a slave but possibly if you develop D/s dynamic eventually it may turn into M/s dynamic..You may have to start at a lesser place and slowly progress to where it is you wish to be...be well...Tempting



With the understanding that it takes time to get to certain points in your life.  I spent 4 years grooming a sub to be a slave....just before we were to have our collaring ceremony I was in a rather bad car accident.  When I got out of the hospital 2 weeks later, all I found at home was a letter saying that he couldn't handle the posibility of me being in a wheel chair the rest of my life.  The key word is POSSIBILITY.  I am not in a wheel chair, I still have some slight mobility issues due to my injuries but I am fully mobile.  The time and effort it took to get him where I wanted him to be was exhausting for it to culminate into nothing.  SO if he is not already slave,  I am really not interested in playing the sub to slave game.




BBBTBW -> RE: When is Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 7:08:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterC46910

We all have hit that point where we try and decide if it is worth all the work to find someone.  There are so many that are not sincere it is hard. 

Sometimes it is best to take a step back and take a break from the search.  Come back refreshed ready to start the search again.


I have come to this point after many times stepping back and getting refreshed.  Perhaps I am just too disillusioned.




MissDiandSirHugh -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 7:14:38 PM)

Sit back let the world go by with out you in it and just relax to gather your thoughts and your feelings no matter how lon it takes and then digest them all to begin again no matter in what direction.
If you decide to stay in the life style you may find since not being amoung us ther eis a brand new lot of intrests you have changed and new pleasures you are chaseing so your new search will take on a whole new meaning and a new sense of purpose.
As to when you take the holiday only you know that and will take it.

Just a littel Humour as well in answer to your question on what is an EXSPERT our understanding of it    EX = unknown quantity     SPERT  = a drip under preasure




smilezz -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 7:24:24 PM)

It took me 23 years to find the "right" Dominant.  It was worth the effort and time put forth.
Only you can decide when you no longer think it's worth it.

Hang in there,

~smilezz~




KittenWithaTwist -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 7:30:48 PM)

When you say it is, frankly.

If you find that you're happy with your life without a slave or submissive in it, then enough is, surely, enough. If you find that you're happy with a vanilla partner or a dominant partner, then enough is, surely, enough. If you find that it's time to focus on something else and wait for things to happen, then enough is, surely, enough.

I didn't "interview" dominants until I found one that suited me. I fell in love with a man who was kinky like me, and we had a D/s partnership for awhile and now we have an S&M and vanilla partnership. I figure if it's meant to happen, it will, and while I can help it along, sometimes I don't get to decide what will happen because I *want* it to happen.

You can only control YOU, not anyone else (well, unless they let you...).




bandit25 -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/11/2006 8:28:12 PM)

Often, or so it seems to me, when you decide to step back, that's when what you've been looking for finds you.




LadiesBladewing -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/12/2006 1:10:34 AM)

It seems to me that much of your pain comes from reflecting on past situations that didn't work out, and setting expectations in advance for how current relationships are going to work out.

SR and myself have discovered that there is a great deal of peace and satisfaction in just letting relationships be what they are. Having great people around us is enough, and having them become what they are while they are with us is awesome to watch.

We cherish having people in our lives, and I truly love the process of teaching and guiding, so the training we do is what -we- enjoy. If it "takes", more power to it... we have a wonderful servant... who is serving out of his or her own joy of service. If it doesn't take, there's no loss, because we love the process as much as the outcome.

If you don't love the process, or are tired, maybe it is time to step away. You can always come back. It isn't like the door locks behind you on the way out. We took a 4 year break after 2 members of our household died within a year of each other (one to an accident, the other to sudden illness). It took us that long to get ourselves together and to have an interest in life that included other people again.

If you're asking the question, take the break... it won't hurt. If you don't like being away, you can come back, and set any parameters you want. Restrict your search to local people rather than asking someone to relocate... consider part-time alternatives... whatever seems right to you, once you've had time to look it over and decide what you need and how you want to get it.

Lady Zephyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

My question is when is enough enough? 

Ms Loren




MsMacComb -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/12/2006 3:18:33 AM)

  Its often kind of like how people offer you a really good job, when you are not looking and when you're flatass broke no one is hiring.
Stop looking so hard. Let it flow and don't try to force the issue. A nice older lady that was my neighbor for a few years moved into an assisted living facility and the young lady that bought her home is a bi-kink-freak-spanko, so you never know and anything can happen.
And not that you were asking but I rather doubt that anyone on the planet could meet the criteria and expectations listed on your profile. Men are what they are (gotta love them) but part of that is rather simplistic sexual beings. The moment a woman says that "this, this and this" arent "sex or sexual" you just wrote off  99% of all breathing males in the world. That doesnt mean you should change your hopes or wishes, but reality is that that attitude is working against you. Guys are into S/M B/D because it IS a form of sex. Now I know that there could be a plethora of other dommes that would debate this point till the end of time (and guys that will to get brownie points) but other than that 1% I can assure you they are talking in theory and not living it. Meaning they are alone too. Anyhow, good luck.[:)]




cheshirelife -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/12/2006 3:23:25 AM)

I think you should give up now




MsMacComb -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/12/2006 3:32:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cheshirelife
I think you should give up now
 

I should give up? On what?




feastie -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/12/2006 3:45:05 AM)

I think perhaps "interviewing process" is the wrong terminology.  Perhaps you didn't mean that the way it sounds. Perhaps, however, you did.  To me, that's a problem.  You don't interview potential life partners.  You get to know people as people. Sure, you want to find someone that shares your interest, but you're sure not going to find a ready made slave sitting on a shelf just waiting for you to come along and take him home.  Yes, relationships require investments of time and energy and when they don't work out, it hurts.  But to expect it to happen differently, without the investment, would be the same thing as cutting out a paperdoll.  The clothes are fun to change, but you get tired of it pretty quickly.

Relax, concentrate on meeting people.  Allow the Universe to take the lead for a while.  There are things that are beyond your control.

Good luck to you.




DifferentSubGirl -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/12/2006 3:59:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cheshirelife

I think you should give up now


Goodness, what a sweeping opinion. What makes you say that, cheshirelife? Your opinion intrigues me, since I hold an opinion that's about 180' from yours. I don't think 'giving up' on what you want is ever a viable option. Taking breaks, re-defining, trying new things, setting different goals, focusing on the future instead of the past, re-inventing, those are all valid and viable things to do instead of giving up.

I tried to give up on my passion in life, my career, my first love -- theatre -- a while back, when it seemed like it wasn't going anywhere and the passion was lost. I wound up taking a break, even though I thought I was renouncing my passion forever, because a break was all I needed. I just didn't know it at the time. I went through the grieving process, I was angry, the whole nine yards. But when I finally rediscovered my joy, I discovered that somehow, I'd become an entirely different person in the process. Wierd how that happens!

I also tried giving up on finding a romantic partner. After my marriage ended at the age of 22, I spent the next 7 years figuring out who I was and discovering, for the first time, my own sexuality, which included (to nobody's suprise but my own!) kink. It took that long to discover and reclaim my own personal, sexual, passion -- and I didn't have a date that entire time. I don't mean, 'I didn't sleep with anybody/have a scene with anybody/have one-night stands' I mean . . . not one /date/. I wasn't ready, and somehow, the guys (I'm very straight) knew that.

Up until a year ago last April, I *still* wasn't ready. Over the last two-three years I've had a few dates, but I didn't find a real realtionship until last April. Unfortunately, it got too complicated and ended after four months, but it began well, continued well, and ended well. I ended it last July, and it took almost another year before I was ready to face the whole 'searching for a partner' thing again. I joined collarme in late April of this year, and now, the stars are aligned and 've been talking via email with a local gent whom I think may work out, if we ever wind up meeting. It's still very early. I am tired of being alone, but it took that 8 months (and of course, all of the prior years) for me to come to some hard truths and new realizations about what I needed to change in order to have a successful relationship. See, it wasn't that I couldn't find anybody -- or that it just wasn't working out for some obscure reason -- it was that the only thing standing in the way was me. The gents weren't the issue :)

I am a firm believer in introspection, journaling, talking, actively thinking and analyzing, learning, taking breaks, and being painfully honest with yourself. I'm also a firm believer in the something -- whatever it is -- that guides our steps and leads us, if we pay attention, to where we need to be. I call it God, but there are lots of definitions out there, like intution and inner guides and such.

In short, don't give up, but be willing to admit that there might just be a problem somewhere in your life that needs to get fixed so that you can get what you want. I hope sharing my experiences help, and don't harm.

DSG




piscess -> RE: When in Enough Enough?!?!? (5/12/2006 4:53:48 AM)

When is enough enough?  When you feel it is.

Looking into the past to see the future is probably not the best action to take.  Just because one person did you wrong does not mean anything.  How much have you gotten out into the real world?  Is all this searching happening online? 

Just thoughts.
piscess





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