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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 9:54:01 AM   
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If you keep posting in the General BDSM discussion board, it would behoove you to make your topics actually related to General BDSM discussion. Don't get surprised if this thread gets moved as well.

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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 11:02:40 AM   
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The difference between arrogance and self confidence is whether or not you're right."


That's how I see it.

The term arrogant means to have an attitude of superiority, and as such has a negative connotation for many. But if you *are* superior (intellectually), and you act like it, in my mind you're behaving in a way that is true to who you are.

Personally, I prefer arrogance to a pretense of modesty that does not exist.


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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 11:08:03 AM   
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Arrogance comes across as false bravado instead of a true, quiet confidence which is always much preferred.



This. And most often masks serious insecurities, especially when thrown in the direction of the opposite sex.

I find alot of men to become arrogant when rejected.


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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 11:13:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt


The term arrogant means to have an attitude of superiority, and as such has a negative connotation for many. But if you *are* superior (intellectually), and you act like it, in my mind you're behaving in a way that is true to who you are.





I think you can act it without being arrogant, I found people who behave very arrogant often lacking in the superiority they try so hard to project, somebody who is intellectually superior doesn't have to act it and wear it on the sleeve, I hang out with a lot of people who are very very good at martial arts and also quite intellectual, none of them comes across as arrogant, they are all quite polite but have a confidence that speaks for itself. For me arrogance also usually is a lack of good manners.

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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 11:22:55 AM   
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That's a fascinating cross-cultural viewpoint sunshine. I'm just laughing at how starkly different that is from me who goes by the motto my mentor gave me 20 some odd years ago.

The difference between arrogance and self confidence is whether or not you're right."

So in my world, being correct is the only thing required to make it "not boasting or arrogance" -- even in a directly confrontational statement like, "I'll squish you like a bug." If I manage to do so, then I see it as simply confidence. Only if I fail is it arrogance.

Pretty much that.  The problem between arrogance and confidence is that it is up to the interpretation of the other person making the assessment.  Some people can do that with an honest overview of the situation.  Others can't.  When they don't, there's generally a hint of jealousy, insecurity, or envy associates with it.


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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 2:28:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana
So here's a tangential question.
Do folks think that one needs to be arrogant to be a Dom/ Domme?

Personally, I think a little arrogance is required, if for nothing else, to possess the chutzpah to own another human being and be certain that you can run their life well.


I actually agree with this. You can't both be ethical and seek control without some arrogance (at least arrogance in how it is commonly seen). Not saying that Kana is ethical, just that the the two cannot coexist without the third. If you don't believe that you are going to be able to do it just as well or better than the other person, then you must believe that your actions will be negative towards their well being. What kind of ethical person would knowingly be a detriment to someone else for their own enjoyment? You don't have to believe that you are the best person for the job, but you do have to believe that you are a net positive.

I think a lot of the negative reactions to arrogance have to do with that a lot of arrogant people both aren't deserving of their arrogance and they talk down to others. The last woman I was talking with said I was arrogant, but also that I was nice and that one made up for the other. Though I don't know which was more disappointing to hear; being called 'nice' (I'm supposed to be the big bad dominant. I can't be nice! ) or that she thought I would make a good 'daddy dom' (gag). However, she saw arrogance as simply the belief of being better, regardless of whether or not I was.

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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 7:32:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK

Arrogance where does it get you

seen loads familiar faces since Ive been back

was here bout 23 years ago

same people same attitude lol

where does arrogance get you

well as Dr Phil says hows it workin for ya

if its not time to change tact

And just what was it about this place that inspired you to return?
I'd have thought, in all that time you spent away, you would have also matured.


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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 8:10:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

So here's a tangential question.
Do folks think that one needs to be arrogant to be a Dom/ Domme?

Personally, I think a little arrogance is required, if for nothing else, to possess the chutzpah to own another human being and be certain that you can run their life well.




I think people who own other people are naturally arrogant, and if they're successful at what they do, it's arrogance backed by substance, and that's perfectly fine with me. That sort of arrogance is truthful: the person is arrogant because there is something there to be arrogant about. Arrogance that is a hollow act, that isn't backed up with any ability, is a lie, and I find that lie repugnant. It tries to confuse form or style with essence. There is nothing about arrogance itself I find offputting; if I'm interested in an arrogant person, I just quietly go about finding out what is behind it, if anything, and that discovery then informs my opinions.

I've read some funny folk stories from other cultures which play around with the idea of arrogance. In one there might be a very arrogant and also a very generous king. It's interesting when those two traits are combined in one person. In the stories, someone in dire need who has heard about the king's generosity goes to beg from the king and the king doesn't even look at him, just brushes by him in a hurry, without a single glance or indication he heard his pleas. Or maybe he even has the guards throw the beggar off the grounds. The beggar's ego is deeply hurt and affronted by this treatment and he is dejected by his perceived failure and so he goes around calling the king bad names and trying to sully his reputation, telling others how poorly he was treated. And then the next morning he is deeply surprised to find he's been given a king's ransom in jewels or some other exorbitant treasure. Sometimes in these stories the beggar is quite grateful and also ashamed of the way he jumped to conclusions and the badmouthing that followed from it. Other times he remains infuriated and insulted by the arrogance of the king and the latter's refusal to acknowledge him. In the latter case, you have to wonder about ego and motives: his stated purpose for begging was to find a way out of his financial difficulties, but while that was his true and urgent need, he acts as if what he was really after was attention from a great man. What you never see in these stories is a beggar who just quietly and peacefully accepts being ignored or kicked out of the king's presence and waits around to see if anything else will happen.

The case of the badmouther, however, makes me wonder: if someone gave me what I most wanted or needed, but seemed impossibly arrogant about it or didn't give me the quality or amount of attention that I thought I deserved along with getting my need met, would I then angrily resent their "snub" or badmouth them? I don't think I would because I admire substantiated arrogance, but one never knows about what if's until faced with the actual situation. I hope I never do this. If I did, I would know inside (whether anybody else did or not) that I didn't deserve to be called a slave.

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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 10:13:22 PM   
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Arrogance is an admirable trait, really.


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RE: Arrogance - 5/16/2011 10:26:07 PM   
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we had internet in 1988 i think i was or 1987. It was aol, paid by the minute, and the only thing accessible was bulletin boards.. and not like you see nowadays, more similar to the news services you can access through programs like outlook. This was prior to the release of windows, when everything was DOS and basic based.


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arrogant - Having excessive pride in oneself

Doesn't sound very admirable to me.

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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 3:13:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jewelsthepoet

we had internet in 1988 i think i was or 1987. It was aol, paid by the minute, and the only thing accessible was bulletin boards.. and not like you see nowadays, more similar to the news services you can access through programs like outlook. This was prior to the release of windows, when everything was DOS and basic based.




In Europe it took a bit longer and we had the additional costs of the phone bill, so it was 90 or 91 I think, my parents couldn't understand why I wanted it and what the hell I was doing talking to people all over the world.

But yes, CM seems to have been started in 2002...

To hijack this, I'm sometimes amazed, while cleaning out old storage items, I found one of the first laptops I had, compared to the slim, light-weight things we have now, this was a huge brick and super slow, and a hell lot more expensive than something that's now pretty much state of the art... Amazing how fast technology went...


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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 3:36:01 AM   
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Arrogance is a word that spineless people created to badmouth confident people.

Real talk.


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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 6:31:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Arrogance is a word that spineless people created to badmouth confident people.

Real talk.



Nods.

In this little world (BDSM), accusations of "one true way" quite often embody this attitude.

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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 7:24:53 AM   
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"Arrogance is most often a character trait women attribute to men who thwart them."

What a load of bolloxs! I only think of people being arrogant if they keep them selves looking great and keep talking of themselves like they are the new god an also if they keep going on about something their good at Doing in work say!

I talk to arrogant people and yes sadly the people who are the most arrogant in the world yes may be men, I know more arrogant men then women but I'm not going to give my opion on this whole thing as it's nonsense!!!!!Op you must really miss the limelight to have this discussion run this long. ha!

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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 7:31:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I often times, but not always, see calling someone else arrogant, as a reflection of the insecurity of the one doing the calling.

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Seriously, if others want to see my self confidence as arrogance, I am totally cool with it. It was often hard won.


Exactly what she said

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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 9:10:39 AM   
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Dictionary says arrogance = having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit, ability, etc.

All in all a very good thing. A hell of a lot of people seem to have quite a low opinion of their own importance, merit, ability, etc. Self-deprecation get really bloody boring after a while. Arrogance is much more interesting. Plus it works a lot better than humility or confidence, as those both require you to acknowledge your limitations. Arrogance allows you to ignore your limitations and carry on regardless; you get a lot more done that way.

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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 12:49:47 PM   
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I don't post for nearly a year and the proles are still discussing me?

It's good to be so dashing, I declare.

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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 2:18:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreepyStalker

All in all a very good thing. A hell of a lot of people seem to have quite a low opinion of their own importance, merit, ability, etc. Self-deprecation get really bloody boring after a while. Arrogance is much more interesting. Plus it works a lot better than humility or confidence, as those both require you to acknowledge your limitations. Arrogance allows you to ignore your limitations and carry on regardless; you get a lot more done that way.

Ahem. Not that this belief has *any* bearing on CS's choice of partners, of course...

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RE: Arrogance - 5/17/2011 2:19:37 PM   
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