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lickenforyou -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/19/2011 2:52:36 AM)
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I can fight for someone else's belief without being delusional.
Sorta like all the people who fought for black rights.
That was just a belief to some at the time... and others told them they were wrong for all kinds of scientific reasons.
Ha ha ha, black people are REAL. And, it was science that proved that they are the same as white people. In fact, white people come from Africa where their ancestors were black. That is what science proved, not the other way around.
And, are you telling me that you DON'T believe in the supernatural?
Oh?
DNA DISCOVERER: BLACKS LESS INTELLIGENT THAN WHITES
Thursday, October 18, 2007
One of the world's most eminent scientists has created a racial firestorm in Britain.
James D. Watson, 79, co-discoverer of the DNA helix and winner of the 1962 Nobel Prize in medicine, told the Sunday Times of London that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really."
He recognized that the prevailing belief was that all human groups are equal, but that "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302836,00.html#ixzz1Ml7Bksbk
DNA Scientist Apologizes for Comments on Intelligence of Blacks
A famous scientist who won the Nobel Prize for Medicine has apologized for racially insensitive comments about the intelligence of blacks.
The Sunday Times of London printed an interview with Doctor James Watson in which he suggested blacks are not as intelligent as whites.
The prominent laboratory where he works in New York (The Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory) suspended Watson over the comments Thursday. And London's Science Museum canceled a sold-out lecture Friday by the doctor.
A statement from Watson's publicist says he is mortified over the quotes. Watson said he cannot understand how he could have said what he is quoted as saying, but he understands the public reaction to the comments.
The Sunday Times of London says it recorded the interview and stands by the quotes in its October 14 issue.
Scientists around the world are denouncing the comments and say there is no scientific evidence that blacks are intellectually inferior.
In a statement issued after his remarks were published, Watson also said there is no scientific proof that blacks are less intelligent than whites.
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2007-10-19-voa4-66519287.html
In the United States, scientific racism justified Black African slavery to assuage moral opposition to the Atlantic slave trade. Alexander Thomas and Samuell Sillen described black men as uniquely fitted for bondage, because of their "primitive psychological organization".[51] In 1851, in antebellum Louisiana, the physician Samuel A. Cartwright (1793–1863), considered slave escape attempts as "drapetomania", a treatable mental illness, that "with proper medical advice, strictly followed, this troublesome practice that many Negroes have of running away can be almost entirely prevented". The term drapetomania (mania of the runaway slave) derives from the Greek δραπετης (drapetes, "a runaway [slave]") + μανια (mania, "madness, frenzy")[52] Cartwright also described dysaethesia aethiopica, called "rascality" by overseers. By 1840, the political challenges to American slavery increased; yet the 1840 census indicated that Northern, free blacks suffered mental illness at higher rates than did their Southern, enslaved counterparts. Moreover, Southern slavers concluded that escaping Negroes were only suffering from "mental disorders", and the census mental health data became a political weapon against abolitionists.[53]
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In the US, eugenicists such as Harry H. Laughlin, and Madison Grant sought to "scientifically" prove the physical and mental inadequacy of certain ethnic groups to justify compulsory sterilization and restrict immigration, per the Immigration Act of 1924; compulsory sterilization continued until the 1960s and later.
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Theodore Lothrop Stoddard (June 29, 1883 – May 1, 1950) was an American political scientist, historian, journalist, anthropologist, Islamic scholar, eugenicist, pacifist, and anti-immigration advocate who wrote a number of books which are cited by historians as prominent examples of early 20th-century scientific racism.
Stoddard's analysis divided world politics and situations in to "white," "yellow," "black," "Amerindian," and "brown" peoples and their interactions.Stoddard argued race and heredity were the guiding factors of history and civilization, and that the elimination or absorption of the "white" race by "colored" races would result in the destruction of Western civilization. Like Madison Grant (see The Passing of the Great Race), Stoddard divided the white race into three main divisions: Nordic, Alpine, and Mediterranean. He considered all three to be of good stock, and far above the quality of the colored races, but argued that the Nordic was the greatest of the three and needed to be preserved by way of eugenics. Unlike Grant, Stoddard was less concerned with which varieties of European people were superior to others (Nordic theory), but was more concerned with what he called "bi-racialism," seeing the world as being composed of simply "colored" and "white" races. In the years after the Great Migration and World War I, Grant's racial theory would fall out of favor in the U.S. in favor of a model closer to Stoddard's.
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In the late 19th century, the Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) United States Supreme Court decision that upheld the constitutional legality of racial segregation, under the doctrine of "separate but equal" was intellectually rooted in the scientific racism of the era, like-wise popular support for it.[68] Later, in the mid 20th century, the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka (1954) decision rejected racialist arguments about the "need" for racial segregation — especially in public schools.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism#USA:_slavery_justified
Scientific racism. You do understand the term yes?
Scientific racism is the use of scientific techniques to sanction the belief in racial superiority or racism.[1
The pejorative label, "scientific racism", criticizes studies claiming to establish a connection between, for example, race and intelligence, and argues that this promotes the idea of "superior" and "inferior" human races.[5] Recent authors consider their work to be scientific and dispute use of the term "racism"; they may prefer terms such as "race realism" or "racialism".
Its this "scientific proof" that is used to try and racially suppress many people.
I'd say that you don't understand what scientific proof is. Tobacco companies had scientist on their payroll that claimed there was no correlation between cigarette smoking and cancer. Does that mean it was scientifically proved? No it does not.
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