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Icarys -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/17/2011 5:35:17 PM)

neener neener..You were too slow.



xssve -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/17/2011 9:49:27 PM)

Ok, I'll bite, you're presumably referring to reluctance, forced sex, etc., as contrasted with immediate, unquestioned obedience - some subs like forced sex because they enjoy the struggle, fighting back, and some dom/ms like that, it can be very passionate, kind of a love hate thing, like cats fucking.

Mixed feelings are just a part of life, we all have to deal with it, and that's one way - emotions are not required to be completely logical, but it's a fairly individual call.

I think the confusion concerned the initial arrangement, rather than an established consensual dynamic.



myotherself -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/17/2011 11:10:41 PM)

I don't do 'events' - I only do 'relationships'



Hisprettybaby -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 12:00:32 AM)

If you are asking to I prefer to have my submission forced upon me or do I prefer to give my submission freely: I will freely give my submission to the one I choose to submit to...but NOT to just anyone. If some wise-ass tries to force me to submit against my will, he would have hell to pay. For instance, I would not submit to you because I already know you don't make yourself clear when you speak. How would one know what is expected when the orders can't be made clear?

~Hisprettybaby~



phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 6:05:56 AM)

we are in a full time relationship and living together so its different, i offered my submission and he now does with it what he wishes within our limits which actually were similar. but he knows me so well he knows if something new is ok and working or not, or going to far etc so i dont and possibly couldnt now say no and he takes what he wants and we are happy bit simplistic but hope you get the gist



ParappaTheDapper -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 6:17:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: firedogmilwaukee

Answer as honestly as you can.

Seeing as its a personal question, I expect people on both sides to answer.




Your question is so incoherent! Also you look like the bastard lovechild of Billy Corgan and Snidely Whiplash!

But if you phrase your question more like "Is it hot when someone tries to bend your will and assert their dominance?" then the answer is YES! I don't make it easy either. They've gotta earn it, baby!



thatsub -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 6:54:19 AM)

To me this looked like a rather simple and straight forward question. I guess, I have been away from this forum too long and forgot how regulars here like to twist everything inside-out and make OP a monster.

I view the forced part of the question as not a non-consensual kidnapping or rape. It is more of a mental pretend game some subs like to play in their head. Some of us like to imagine that we are still free and our submission is "earned" by a strong Dom/me by asserting their dominance. Just view such a simple concept of "D" as a punishment - it is assertion of dominance and while one might say "I let you punish me because I want to", others will say "I let you punish me because I accept your dominant position and my submissive position". In my opinion, there is a difference in those views, even though under close examination they both appear to be consensual  and done by sub's choice.

Have you ever considered, that when subs agree to something and submit feely, they don't always feel "right" about it, because these actions give them power and control over the situation? Some of us would like to have illusion that we do not have that control, we like the "forced" submission. Please bear in mind that this "forced" submission is still consensual and is not forceful in a rape sense.



ResidentSadist -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 7:08:00 AM)

The author needs to do some serious qualifying in order to clear up this foggy OP.  Are we talking about long term submission in a relationship, during a scene, role playing or what?  If someone "views" that they are being forced into long term submission . . . perhaps they will "view" themselves as a victim not a volunteer.  Serious mental illness required to do that without reaching out for help . . . like so many BDSM arrests we read about. 

Now if we are talking short term role play, resistance play, submission in the bedroom, not a relationship, that is one thing.  Rape play is fun and hopefully it's "viewed" as play or someone may end up in jail. 

I hope the OP can understand we aren't mind readers and that he has to expand his OP to actually ask a question we can answer.



sunshinemiss -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 8:05:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

quote:

ORIGINAL: firedogmilwaukee

Answer as honestly as you can.

Seeing as its a personal question, I expect people on both sides to answer.




Honestly, I think its 510



Well "Fiddlefuck" ... I've been doing the impossible quiz for over a year now (thank you NZ... seriously... I thank you, my friends thank you, the academy thanks you)... and I *still* can't get past 42.



littleone35 -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 11:17:46 AM)

My submission is not forced . It was freely givn. If someone tried to force it on me, and i did not feel it i would walk away. I CHOSE to submit to Master he did not try to force it on me.

Matt's littleone



Phoenixpower -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 11:20:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littleone35

My submission is not forced . It was freely givn. If someone tried to force it on me, and i did not feel it i would walk away. I CHOSE to submit to Master he did not try to force it on me.

Matt's littleone


What she said...anyone trying to force it onto me will be shown the door...that simple [:D]



PetiteOralSub -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 12:21:47 PM)

Please consult Webster's.
The very definition of the word indicates voluntary.

Forced behaviors are not acts of submission;

[though it makes for some damn hot play! yow!]



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 12:29:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thatsub

To me this looked like a rather simple and straight forward question. I guess, I have been away from this forum too long and forgot how regulars here like to twist everything inside-out...



Agreed.  In truth, my initial post to this thread was not for the benefit of the OP, but for those responding.




BurntKitty -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 12:33:09 PM)

I would give it freely to someone I'm in a monogamous relationship with. I don't do forced anything.

(Except for the cats. They force me awake every damned morning licking my eyelids until I get up to feel them. I suspect it's their way of seeing if I'm still alive, or if the feline feasting is to commence...)



juliaoceania -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/18/2011 9:39:39 PM)

quote:

To me this looked like a rather simple and straight forward question. I guess, I have been away from this forum too long and forgot how regulars here like to twist everything inside-out and make OP a monster.


So now asking for a clarification to the question asked makes me into someone who likes to make monsters out of people[8|]

Wow, I would call that overkill and an exaggeration... drama much?



firedogmilwaukee -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/19/2011 1:25:06 AM)

I'll restate what I already posted.

taken from: MasterSlaveLA

a)  Consent (at each use)

or

b)  Consensual Non-Consent

This user summed up perfectly the point i was getting at.

but don't let prior posts get in the way, continue I'm digging this.... Seriously!



BonesFromAsh -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/19/2011 4:50:20 AM)

If you take the time to go back and read the responses, you'll find that people, for the most part, answered your consent/non-consent query. Heck, even my reply, written in your cryptic/perplexing style, was an answer to the whole c/n-c concept.






aromanholiday -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/19/2011 6:26:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thatsub

To me this looked like a rather simple and straight forward question. I guess, I have been away from this forum too long and forgot how regulars here like to twist everything inside-out and make OP a monster.



Word.



ResidentSadist -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/19/2011 8:40:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PetiteOralSub
Please consult Webster's.
The very definition of the word indicates voluntary.

Forced behaviors are not acts of submission;

[though it makes for some damn hot play! yow!]

That's why I asked the author to clear things up.  I give him the benefit of doubt that he has actually experienced BDSM and knows what submission and submissives are . . . despite his refusal to expound on his thoughts the first time her was asked.  I'm thinking he hasn't stepped back to look at what he said to realize it makes no sense unless he is talking about resistance play or something.   



Kana -> RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely? (5/19/2011 9:54:42 AM)

If she's still there in the morning, she consented.



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