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Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:03:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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That's because money and currency are not the same thing.


He's right "currency" is figurative.

MOST of it is on paper and only exists by agreement.




huh?

how do you figger currency is "figurative"?




Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:05:05 PM)

I would agree that the 14th and 16th amendments were in large part  created to support todays fucked up monetary system.





Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:09:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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how you plan on selling what has already been mortgaged? LOL
nice plan, of course the Chinese weren't faked out very long on the last scheme what makes you think that one will work


Who gives a fuck about the Chinese? We're selling REAL Estate... The only people that are getting burned are the people who live there and after sheltering raising and educating George Walker Bush and being so nice to his extended family, you might be asking the wrong person to give a rats ass.
  Understand that we already dis this once in microcosm. You know how many people fell prey to forced relocation and property loss after Katrina?
Besides ... you know what the Chinese are and have been doing for the past 3 or 4 years. They are systematically dumping US dollars they buy whole companies and parts of countries just to spend the dollars they have in reserve, the gamble being that sometime inside the next 2-10 years that the dollar will no longer be the enumerating currency in the world and that they'll be sitting fat not holding anything but the hot currency.




well they seen how we fucked over the ahabs, fool me once.

we always did sell real estate I post it several times.

it was in the congressional records but talking heads on these boards seem to think the congressional records are meaningless.




rulemylife -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:09:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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That's because money and currency are not the same thing.


He's right "currency" is figurative.

MOST of it is on paper and only exists by agreement.




huh?

how do you figger currency is "figurative"?



He "figgers" that because nothing we use as a means of barter has much intrinsic value.








Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:13:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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Treasury. It is the Treasury that owns Fort Knox, not the Fed.

What it is is just complete nonsense... all any of this thread will prove (heh... least once I am done) is that Ron Paul is breathing something OTHER than oxygen.


sure lift the margins and let the shit hit the fan, it would probly work, BUT this country always has operated in bankruptcy and unless you want to repeal and amend the shit out of the constitution its a waste of time.




Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:14:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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That's because money and currency are not the same thing.


He's right "currency" is figurative.

MOST of it is on paper and only exists by agreement.




huh?

how do you figger currency is "figurative"?



He "figgers" that because nothing we use as a means of barter has much intrinsic value.







ok I will buy your version, his was well figurative.

I am still waiting for these guys to elaborate on their distinctions so we can get into a good meat and potatoes debate here.








rulemylife -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:23:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

ok I will buy your version, his was well figurative.

I am still waiting for these guys to elaborate on their distinctions so we can get into a good meat and potatoes debate here.



Well, if you do buy that then what is there to debate?




SternSkipper -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:26:05 PM)

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huh?
how do you figger currency is "figurative"?


It's no-longer based on a tangible asset .

Go to the wiki Music provided





SternSkipper -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:29:25 PM)

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BUT this country always has operated in bankruptcy and unless you want to repeal and amend the shit out of the constitution its a waste of time.


No it hasn't bankruptcy is a state you have to declare. it's simply a legal maneuver anyway... But it has defaulted and survived several times. What it HASN'T been is annexed by the IMF or World Bank which is a likely fate unless we do something distinctly American,,, Thumb our noses at external authority. Come On! We are the best at this in the entire world, we've just forgotten how.




Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 8:51:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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huh?
how do you figger currency is "figurative"?


It's no-longer based on a tangible asset .

Go to the wiki Music provided




yes and that in and of itself is really not the most critical factor, there is another that is the crux, do you know what it is?




Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/17/2011 9:07:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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BUT this country always has operated in bankruptcy and unless you want to repeal and amend the shit out of the constitution its a waste of time.


No it hasn't bankruptcy is a state you have to declare. it's simply a legal maneuver anyway... But it has defaulted and survived several times. What it HASN'T been is annexed by the IMF or World Bank which is a likely fate unless we do something distinctly American,,, Thumb our noses at external authority. Come On! We are the best at this in the entire world, we've just forgotten how.



You mean shoot first and let god sort em out?


here is the bankruptcy.  It does not have to be "declared" by standing on a soapbox and screaming it.  If they put themselves into the position from a legal standpoint they are there x marks the spot...



The fact of the matter is, the United States did go "Bankrupt" in 1933 and was declared so by President Roosevelt by Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and by Executive Order 6260 on March 9, 1933, under the "Trading With The Enemy Act" of October 6, 1917, AS AMENDED by the Emergency Banking Relief Act, 48 Stat 1, Public Law No. 1, which is presently codified at 12 USCA 95a and confirmed at 95b. You can confirm this for yourself by reading it on FindLaw. Thereafter, Congress confirmed the bankruptcy on June 5, 1933, and thereupon impaired the obligations and considerations of contracts through the "Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard And Abrogate The Gold clause, June 5, 1933" (See: HJR-192, 73rd Congress, 1st Session). When the Courts were called upon to rule on various of the provisions designed to implement and compliment FDR's Emergency BANKING Relief Act of March 9, 1933, they were all found unconstitutional, so what FDR did was simply stack the "Court's" with HIS chosen obsequious members of the bench/bar and then sent many of the cases back through and REVERSED the rulings.

House Joint Resolution 192 (HJR-192), 48 Stat. 112, was passed by Congress on June 5, 1933. The 'Act' impaired the obligations and considerations of contacts and declared that the notes of the Federal Reserve banks were "legal tender" for the payment of both public and private debts, and that payment in gold Coin was against "public policy". (In effect, FDR and Congress, under executive orders and legislative fiat, nationalized the people's money, i.e., their gold Coin.

Nationalization is a violation of the Law of Nations and existing public policy of Congress. See: Hilton vs. Guyot, 159 U.S. 113 (1895).

The gold Coin that was confiscated (nationalized) was later used to purchase voting stockholder shares in The Bank and The Fund at $35 per ounce.) At this point in time, "Fair Market Value", i.e., a willing seller and buyer, without compulsion, lost any substantial meaning.

Moreover, all of the Governor's of the several States of the Union, who were summoned to and were in Washington, D.C. during the several days of this pre-planned economic "Emergency" (the first phase of which was to nationalize and expropriate the people's Money, i.e., their gold Coin on deposit in the banks), pledged the full faith and credit thereof to the aid of the National Government, and formed various socialist committees, such as the "Council of State Governments", "Social Security Administration", etc., to purportedly deal with the economic "Emergency." The Council of State Governments has been absorbed into such things as the National Conference Of Commissioners On Uniform State Laws, whose headquarters is located in Chicago, Illinois, and "all" being "members of the Bar", and operating under a different "Constitution and By-Laws", far distant from the depositories of the public records, and it is this organization that has promulgated, lobbied for, passed, adjudicated and ordered the implementation and execution of their purported "Uniform" and "Model" Acts and pretended statutory provisions, in order to "help implement international treaties of the United States or where world uniformity would be desirable." (1990/91 Reference Book, NCCUSL). These organizations operate under the "Declaration of INTERdependence" of January 22, 1937, and published some of their activities in "The Book Of The States."

The 1937 Edition openly declares that the people engaged in such activities as the Farming/Husbandry Industry had been reduced to mere feudal "Tenants" on the Land they supposedly owned.

On April 25, 1938, the supreme Court overturned the standing precedents of the prior 150 years concerning "common law," in the federal government.

"THERE IS NO FEDERAL COMMON LAW, and CONGRESS HAS NO POWER TO DECLARE SUBSTANTIVE RULES OF COMMON LAW applicable IN A STATE, WHETHER they be LOCAL or GENERAL in their nature, be they COMMERCIAL LAW OR a part of the LAW OF TORTS." -- Erie Railroad Co. vs. Tompkins, 304 U.S. 64, 82 L.Ed. 1188.

You must realize that the Common Law is the fountain source of Substantive and Remedial Rights, if not our very Liberties.  (not quite but its the ony one you get a jury of the people rather than a judge of the gubbermint in!!)

The members and association of the Bar thereafter formed committees, granted themselves special privileges, immunities and franchises, and held meetings concerning the Judicial procedures, and further, amended laws so as "to conform to a trend of judicial decisions or to accomplish similar objectives", including hodepodging the jurisdictions of Law and Equity together, which is known today as "One Form Of Action." This was not by accident, but by a carefully conceived plan.
-and that is a travesty and opened the door in part to the incredible corruption we have in the courts today!
The enumerated, specified and distinct Jurisdictions established by the ordained Constitution (1787), Article III, Section 2, and under the Bill of Rights (1791), Amendment VII, were further hodgepodged and fundamentally changes in 1982 to include Admiralty jurisdiction, which was once again brought inland.

"This is the FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE necessary to effect unification of Civil and ADMIRALTY PROCEDURE. Just as the 1938 Rules ABOLISHED THE DISTINCTION between actions At Law and suits in Equity, this CHANGE WOULD ABOLISH THE DISTINCTION between CIVIL actions and suits in ADMIRALTY." (See: Federal Rules Of Civil Procedure, 1982 Ed., pg.17; also see, Federalist Papers No. 83; Declaration Of Resolves Of The First Continental Congress, October 14, 1774; Declaration Of Cause And Necessity Of Taking Up Arms, July 6, 1775; Declaration Of Independence, July 4, 1776; and, Bennet vs. Butterworth, 52 U.S. 669)

The United States thereafter entered the second World War during which time the "League of Nations" was reinstituted under PRETENSE of the "United Nations" (22 USCA 287, et seq.), and the "Bank For International Settlements" was reinstituted under PRETENSE of the "Bretton Woods Agreement" (22 USCA 286 et seq.) as the "International Monetary Fund" (The Fund) and the "International Bank For Reconstruction And Development" (The Bank or World Bank).

The United States as a corporate body politic (artificial), came out of World War II in worse economic condition that when it entered, and in 1950 declared Bankruptcy and "Reorganization." The Reorganization is located in Title 5 of the United States Codes Annotated. The "Explanation" at the beginning of 5 U.S.C.A. is MOST informative reading. The "Secretary of Treasury" was appointed as the "Receiver" in Bankruptcy. (See: Reorganization Plan No. 26, 5 U.S.C.A. 903; Public Law 94-564, Legislative History, pg. 5967)

The United States went down the road and periodically filed for further Reorganizations. Things and situations worsened, having done what they were Commanded NOT to do (See: Madison's Notes, Constitutional Convention, August 16, 1787; Federalist Papers No. 44), and in 1965 crowned their continuous fraudulent acitivities with passage of the "Coinage Act of 1965" completely debasing the Constitutional Coin (gold & silver, i.e., "Dollar"). (See: 18 USCA 331 & 332; U.S. vs. Marigold, 50 U.S. 560, 13 L.Ed 257) At the signing of the Coinage Act on July 23, 1965, Lyndon B. Johnson <--a democrap! stated in his press release that:
(amazing they are as bad as reprobates)
"When I have signed this bill before me, we will have made the first fundamental change in our coinage in 173 years. The Coinage Act of 1965 supersedes the Act of 1792. And that Act had the title: An Act Establishing a Mint and Regulating the Coinage of the United States...."

"Now I will sign this bill to make the first change in our coinage system since the 18th Century. To those members of Congress, who are here on this historic occasion, I want to assure you that in making this change from the 18th Century we have no idea of returning to it."

THE REST HERE



the code is all there, all the court cases and law in black on white but I am sure someone will come by and label it a "theory"  LOL



[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/blacks/mortgagedfornationaldebtcongress-1.jpg[/image]




So what do they do when you lose your home to property taxes?

THEY FORECLOSE!

JUST LIKE THE KING DID IN FEUDAL ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!

I MEAN RIGHT TO THE LETTER! 

GOT IT PEASANTS?
  LOL




SternSkipper -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 12:16:03 AM)

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The fact of the matter is, the United States did go "Bankrupt" in 1933 and was declared so by President Roosevelt by Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and by Executive Order 6260 on March 9, 1933, under the "Trading With The Enemy Act" of October 6, 1917, AS AMENDED by the Emergency Banking Relief Act, 48 Stat 1, Public Law No. 1, which is presently codified at 12 USCA 95a and confirmed at 95b. You can confirm this for yourself by reading it on FindLaw. Thereafter, Congress confirmed the bankruptcy on June 5, 1933, and thereupon impaired the obligations and considerations of contracts through the "Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard And Abrogate The Gold clause, June 5, 1933" (See: HJR-192, 73rd Congress, 1st Session). When the Courts were called upon to rule on various of the provisions designed to implement and compliment FDR's Emergency BANKING Relief Act of March 9, 1933, they were all found unconstitutional, so what FDR did was simply stack the "Court's" with HIS chosen obsequious members of the bench/bar and then sent many of the cases back through and REVERSED the rulings.


Mmmmmmmm I actually think that was an instance of default rather than a declared bankruptcy they didn't really liquidate. And in fact abrogated (it's important legally... sort of the diff between a bankruptcy and a re-org ignoring obligations).
   But I really wanted to comment on what you said about the heads ignoring congressional records like certain fundamental things weren't even happening, And adding imaginary content to what does exist. I have a zero tolerance attitude toward these Art Bell-esque mothers. And I tend to go a little apeshit to drive home the point.
Oh well...
   Anyway, I was late getting this to you because an intellectually EXQUISITE Submissive woman called me and we chatted on the phone for more than 3 hours. She's so much fun to hang out with that there's like a zero-sum decision making process when it comes to this place.
have a Good Night
Skipp





SternSkipper -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 12:18:04 AM)


WOW ... They had HIGHLIGHTER even back then!!!!! 8-)




NeedToUseYou -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 12:32:25 AM)

Why would it be so idiotic, nothing is backed by gold now. So, why is the government holding it?

Anyway, I think he just wants numbers, but the dollar isn't backed by gold, and gold is high, isn't that what you do with investments? Sell high.

Oh, well, it would be different if our money was backed by something other than our military. So I don't care if they get rid of all of it.





Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 12:34:49 AM)

well I have the original jpg of the 7 pages if you prefer, but its easy to highlight once digitized.  If you doubt it call up the national archives and get a certified copy.




Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 12:37:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

Why would it be so idiotic, nothing is backed by gold now. So, why is the government holding it?

Because we are expected to trust the bankers but the international bankers do not reust each other!  they only accept gold!


Anyway, I think he just wants numbers, but the dollar isn't backed by gold, and gold is high, isn't that what you do with investments? Sell high.

Oh, well, it would be different if our money was backed by something other than our military. So I don't care if they get rid of all of it.


well they will hyperinflate it they already sold everything including you.




Real0ne -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 12:41:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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The fact of the matter is, the United States did go "Bankrupt" in 1933 and was declared so by President Roosevelt by Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and by Executive Order 6260 on March 9, 1933, under the "Trading With The Enemy Act" of October 6, 1917, AS AMENDED by the Emergency Banking Relief Act, 48 Stat 1, Public Law No. 1, which is presently codified at 12 USCA 95a and confirmed at 95b. You can confirm this for yourself by reading it on FindLaw. Thereafter, Congress confirmed the bankruptcy on June 5, 1933, and thereupon impaired the obligations and considerations of contracts through the "Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard And Abrogate The Gold clause, June 5, 1933" (See: HJR-192, 73rd Congress, 1st Session). When the Courts were called upon to rule on various of the provisions designed to implement and compliment FDR's Emergency BANKING Relief Act of March 9, 1933, they were all found unconstitutional, so what FDR did was simply stack the "Court's" with HIS chosen obsequious members of the bench/bar and then sent many of the cases back through and REVERSED the rulings.


Mmmmmmmm I actually think that was an instance of default rather than a declared bankruptcy they didn't really liquidate. And in fact abrogated (it's important legally... sort of the diff between a bankruptcy and a re-org ignoring obligations).
  But I really wanted to comment on what you said about the heads ignoring congressional records like certain fundamental things weren't even happening, And adding imaginary content to what does exist. I have a zero tolerance attitude toward these Art Bell-esque mothers. And I tend to go a little apeshit to drive home the point.
Oh well...
  Anyway, I was late getting this to you because an intellectually EXQUISITE Submissive woman called me and we chatted on the phone for more than 3 hours. She's so much fun to hang out with that there's like a zero-sum decision making process when it comes to this place.
have a Good Night
Skipp




well I am not saying they did a 11.  I am saying that they did a reconstruction and that is what you do in a 13.  if it looks like shit and it smells like shit its most likely shit.  Like I said they set themselves up legally if you will as a bankrupt corporation.

Now if you are up on bankruptcy....  heh heh  what should we be able to do?

There is a damn good reason they did not declare it.




pahunkboy -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 5:33:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

Why would it be so idiotic, nothing is backed by gold now. So, why is the government holding it?

Anyway, I think he just wants numbers, but the dollar isn't backed by gold, and gold is high, isn't that what you do with investments? Sell high.

Oh, well, it would be different if our money was backed by something other than our military. So I don't care if they get rid of all of it.




I am planning to buy more of it- when I get my tax refund.




MrRodgers -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 7:24:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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--I think it would be better to sell Mount Rushmore.


There;s an idea ... and I know JUST the realtor to do the appraisal.
She's a fucking crook and a loyal republican slut.

Now does this mean they could come chisel it out and...take it home ? Let's make a new one with Reagan, Cheney and W...call it Mount Fuckmore and let them take that home.

Oh...BTW, there is no gold in Fort Knox. At least I don't believe it. That's what has me questioning Paul.




Musicmystery -> RE: RON PAUL: SELL THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX... (5/18/2011 7:40:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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they certain can be and usually are


Not even close.

About $900 billion in currency and over $8 trillion in money at the time of the link I provided to illustrate (2009).

People are rarely paid in currency. Purchases are frequently done without currency. Loans aren't made in currency.

Not at all the same.


neither is a 100 dollar bill and 100 1 dollar bills, however functionally they are the same.

so how does your distinction change inflation

It doesn't change anything except your misunderstanding about what constitutes money. The point originally came up in response to those who mistakenly believe increasing the money supply means we print it. Currency and money are two different things. We even measure money in more than one way.

Inflation, though, would be a function of the money supply relative to Real GDP.




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