Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed?

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Marini -> Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:18:53 PM)
Should employment be a "right" for all American citizens that want to work? Should the government be responsible for making sure jobs are "created" somehow for everyone that wants to work and seeks employment? With "real" unemployment around 15% what type government assistance beyond unemployment should be created or be available for the long term unemployed? Are we our brothers keeper? If so, what should be done to help those that have been seeking employment for a long period of time, and have not secured employment in the United States? My ex-husband was unemployment for about 8 months, and was not eligible for any assistance beyond unemployment, because he did not have any minor dependents. He was seriously in dire straits, because he could not find any program that could assist him, unless he had dependents, was disabled or elderly. In this day of budget cutting, and trying to do more with less, what should we be doing to help the growing number of the LONG TERM unemployed and those seriously underemployed that are working part-time but seek full time employment? Or should this group of people just eat cake?

Marini -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:23:53 PM)
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HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:26:14 PM)
quote: Should employment be a "right" for all American citizens that want to work? no quote: Should the government be responsible for making sure jobs are "created" somehow for everyone that wants to work and seeks employment? no quote: With "real" unemployment around 15% what type government assistance beyond unemployment be available for the long term unemployed? none quote: Are we our brothers keeper? If so, what should be done to help those that have been seeking employment for a long period of time, and have not secured employment in the United States? no, and therefore, nothing quote: My ex-husband was unemployment for about 8 months, and was not eligible for any assistance beyond unemployment, because he did not have any minor dependents. He was seriously in dire straits, because he could not find any program that could assist him, with no dependents. gee that sucks, but that's what mcjobs are for. quote: In this day of budget cutting, and trying to do more with less, what should we be doing to help the growing number of the LONG TERM unemployed and those seriously underemployed that are working part-time but seek full time employment? nothing quote: Or should this group of people just eat cake? i guess, but its really up to them to find a way to make a living, not anybody else. hannah lynn

Marini -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:29:30 PM)
Thank you for responding HannahLyn, but you sound a bit "cold blooded" when it comes to assisting the long term unemployed. I hope you are never in that situation. [8\|] By the way, did you hear about the million people that applied for 65,000 jobs at MickeyD's??? 1 million people apply for 65,000 jobs at McDonalds

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:40:47 PM)
quote: Thank you for responding HannahLyn, but you sound a bit "cold blooded" when it comes to assisting the long term unemployed. sorry if i sound cold blooded, but i just fail to see how its anybody's business but your own how or if you make a living. quote: I hope you are never in that situation. i never have been, nor will i. there's mcdonalds, timmies, doing surveys, pizza delivery, manual labour, landscaping, dog walking, stripping, turning tricks, masochist for hire, pro domming, or dealing drugs. and if everything else fails, theft. there's always a way to make money if you want to bad enough. hannah lynn eta quote: By the way, did you hear about the million people that applied for 65,000 jobs at MickeyD's??? no i didn't, there's still plenty of other ways to get by.

Marini -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:46:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: Thank you for responding HannahLyn, but you sound a bit "cold blooded" when it comes to assisting the long term unemployed. sorry if i sound cold blooded, but i just fail to see how its anybody's business but your own how or if you make a living. quote: I hope you are never in that situation. i never have been, nor will i. there's mcdonalds, timmies, doing surveys, pizza delivery, manual labour, landscaping, dog walking, stripping, turning tricks, masochist for hire, pro domming, or dealing drugs. and if everything else fails, theft. there's always a way to make money if you want to bad enough. hannah lynn Thanks for the list. lol[sm=writing.gif]

juliaoceania -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:49:07 PM)
The worst thing about the long term unemployed is their demographic... They are often men over the age of 50, which means they are not eligible for social security, a little old to be training for a new career, and are often the victim of age discrimination. MickyDs isn't going to hire these men. They are often over qualified for any sort of joe-job that they try for, and there is usually some young hungry person who they are going against to land these jobs. For many of these men, it means living off the savings they had for their retirement and selling off assets, leaving them with little for when they actually DO reach old age they will not be able to retire because they used it all up. Here is the deal, if we as a society are going to end social security, or extend the age under which people can collect it, we need to make some very harsh age discrimination laws. It just isn't right that we postpone the age of retirement and then allow employers to discriminate based upon an applicants age.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:52:15 PM)
well its not an exhaustive list, it was just meant to demonstrate that people who say they are desperate really aren't. if they were they'd do one of the things on the list or something similar. too often when people say they can't find a job what they really mean is they can only find shitty, unpleasant, or demeaning jobs. in other words they would rather stay unemployed than do the work that's available. that attitude is fucked. you do what you have to. hannah lynn

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:55:30 PM)
a good point about the demographics julia, it certainly does cut down on their options, but its still their problem, not yours or mine. hannah lynn

Marini -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:56:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The worst thing about the long term unemployed is their demographic... They are often men over the age of 50, which means they are not eligible for social security, a little old to be training for a new career, and are often the victim of age discrimination. MickyDs isn't going to hire these men. They are often over qualified for any sort of joe-job that they try for, and there is usually some young hungry person who they are going against to land these jobs. For many of these men, it means living off the savings they had for their retirement and selling off assets, leaving them with little for when they actually DO reach old age they will not be able to retire because they used it all up. Here is the deal, if we as a society are going to end social security, or extend the age under which people can collect it, we need to make some very harsh age discrimination laws. It just isn't right that we postpone the age of retirement and then allow employers to discriminate based upon an applicants age. Thank you julia, I certainly agree. My ex is a computer network engineer and he was able to get a job after about 8 months. He was on the brink of losing his home, he wasn't getting quality medical care {he is diabetic, and has a history of nerve damage in his neck area}, and it was very sad. He is 48, I guess he is lucky he wasn't also a victim of age discrimination.

Real0ne -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 9:57:59 PM)
yep right to work under the democrappy. ok I also have the right to a mercedes, a cold 6 pak in the fridge nakid dancing gurls every friday night and a black card. if people wanna play in the statism sandbox hell why not go all the way? Otherwise I agree with HLH

Real0ne -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:02:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The worst thing about the long term unemployed is their demographic... They are often men over the age of 50, which means they are not eligible for social security, a little old to be training for a new career, and are often the victim of age discrimination. MickyDs isn't going to hire these men. They are often over qualified for any sort of joe-job that they try for, and there is usually some young hungry person who they are going against to land these jobs. For many of these men, it means living off the savings they had for their retirement and selling off assets, leaving them with little for when they actually DO reach old age they will not be able to retire because they used it all up. Here is the deal, if we as a society are going to end social security, or extend the age under which people can collect it, we need to make some very harsh age discrimination laws. It just isn't right that we postpone the age of retirement and then allow employers to discriminate based upon an applicants age. Thank you julia, I certainly agree. My ex is a computer network engineer and he was able to get a job after about 8 months. He was on the brink of losing his home, he wasn't getting quality medical care {he is diabetic, and has a history of nerve damage in his back}, and it was very sad. He is 48, I guess he is lucky he wasn't also a victim of age discrimination. sure but even with that ss wall street its all soft assets subject to inflation. to beat inflation and taxes you need to earn over 15% on your investments. (which is not all that hard to do) but for most people they would not know where to start. Now pay outs in gold would work well for these people because then they do not need to know anything about wall street.

Marini -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:03:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yep right to work under the democrappy. ok I also have the right to a mercedes, a cold 6 pak in the fridge nakid dancing gurls every friday night and a black card. if people wanna play in the statism sandbox hell why not go all the way? Otherwise I agree with HLH I am glad you posted this. Many people have the "fuck them" let them work it out, attitude. We can help people all over the world, but I guess we should let those down on their luck {often no fault of their own} just deal with it, work it out, and if they can't make it, give up, go live in a cave or in the woods, or maybe they should curl up and die. Thanks

juliaoceania -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:06:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather a good point about the demographics julia, it certainly does cut down on their options, but its still their problem, not yours or mine. hannah lynn I would disagree with you... Joe Schmoe gets laid off from his 90k a year job. He can't find a job that supports his mortgage and his family's medical insurance, food, electric, or little Susie's braces. Poor Joe has his house foreclosed on. Well, that is unfortunate if it is only one Joe... but when it is an entire neighborhood of Joes, and you live on the same block with them... suddenly it became YOUR problem as well... there went the property values in your neighborhood. My brother had this happen in his neighborhood recently, and let me tell you, it was disgusting... vacant homes with thigh high grass outside, broken windows, graffiti, and I am talking about a suburb here... We live in a community of people, and I just feel differently than you.... my neighbor's problems can easily become my problems... because unfortunately, things like teen crime, gang violence, derelict neighborhoods, reduction of services because the economy in an area has dried up... these things have a way of creeping into everyone's life. I do not know if you ever visited a place like Detroit... a formerly prosperous place with blue collar middle class employment that was outsourced overseas... But these things are not an individual problem by a long shot. Policy decisions can help create jobs. Laws can help create fairness in the job market. And yes, it is my problem because I have descendants that I want to leave a better country to, and I would like them to have opportunities... it ain't all about me, in other words

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:08:11 PM)
quote: We can help people all over the world why? they are responsible for their own lives as well. hannah lynn

TheHeretic -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:09:19 PM)
I'm pretty much right there with Hannah on this, though I would have trouble passing as a pro domme. I know how to get five quarters out of a half tee, though. We are not a nation of dependent children, Mari.

Real0ne -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:09:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yep right to work under the democrappy. ok I also have the right to a mercedes, a cold 6 pak in the fridge nakid dancing gurls every friday night and a black card. if people wanna play in the statism sandbox hell why not go all the way? Otherwise I agree with HLH I am glad you posted this. Many people have the "fuck them" let them work it out, attitude. We can help people all over the world, but I guess we should let those down on their luck {often no fault of their own} just deal with it, work it out, or curl up and die. Thanks well when you bring these issues into the public, as in a community issue you need to look at the core. the problem is in the very foundation of the system in and of itself. It is all formed around the corporate commercial structure. People are so entrenched in this failed system provided by the PTB for the extortion of funds upward that they complete fail there are other solutions. That and what you have labelled is not a "right", it is a privilege and falls under the privileges and immunities clause and parens patria of the federal sovereign of which its members are subject-slaves. So I have a really good reason to demand my rights to a mercedes et al.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:16:27 PM)
quote: it ain't all about me, in other words well actually your post said exactly the opposite. it is all about you. declining property values ugly neighbourhoods, increased crime...all about how it affects you. you want the government to do "something" to protect you from the consequences of reality. i on the other hand maintain that is has nothing to do with me, its none of my business, just as if i am unemployed, its my problem and not yours. hannah lynn

Marini -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:18:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I'm pretty much right there with Hannah on this, though I would have trouble passing as a pro domme. I know how to get five quarters out of a half tee, though. We are not a nation of dependent children, Mari. Rich, Rich, are you really this cold blooded? oh no Do you really feel "To hell with those, that are struggling in this failing economy?", yet we can help people all over the damn world?

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/17/2011 10:20:56 PM)
quote: yet we can help people all over the damn world? ok, this is the 2nd time you have used this lame reasoning, and you ignored my previous question...lets see if you do it again. why do you feel obliged to help people all over the world? why is it your responsibility or mine to insure they survive? hannah lynn

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