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Sanity -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:11:09 AM)
In your world I wrote "everyone but me"? [:D] Thats really funny... quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife This is what amazes me about the conservative mentality. Everyone else but you is lazy, incapable, unwilling to work, and just wants your handouts.

ArizonaBossMan -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:11:10 AM)
"Rights" - unlike your attorney general, read the constitution on rights. It's all there, too.

tazzygirl -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:11:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: Yeah, there you go. If you can't find a job just sell drugs or turn tricks. yes, exactly. you do what you have to. its better than just sitting around whining about how bad things are. get off your ass and do whatever you have to. quote: Did someone change the name of this board to the Insanity Forum? i would guess on august 23, 2004 hannah lynn Hmmm... if you cant find a job, how ya supposed to get the drugs to sell? Sure, turn tricks until you get a job interview with the guy you just turned a trick with the night before.

rulemylife -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:12:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: Yeah, there you go. If you can't find a job just sell drugs or turn tricks. yes, exactly. you do what you have to. its better than just sitting around whining about how bad things are. get off your ass and do whatever you have to. quote: Did someone change the name of this board to the Insanity Forum? i would guess on august 23, 2004 hannah lynn So where exactly do you draw the line at doing what you have to do? Selling drugs and whoring yourself out you have already said is acceptable. Would murder be acceptable? Because after all you are only doing what you have to do.

Sanity -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:14:33 AM)
Youre pretending like taz that you dont get the metaphor? How cute! [;)] But congratulations to them too, for treating their children better than they would treat the welfare castes quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic A liberal teaches his/her own kids to swim

barelynangel -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:18:53 AM)
lol sure you turn to illegal activities because they you can get arrested and the State will be responsible for you while you are in jail. So on some level you do believe in governmental programs, you are just picking and choosing which ones. You choose the program that takes away your rights instead of programs that will allow you freedom in your life to change your circumstances. But hey, at least as a criminal you will be keeping governmental employees in jobs. angel

rulemylife -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:19:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity In your world I wrote "everyone but me"? [:D] Thats really funny... quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife This is what amazes me about the conservative mentality. Everyone else but you is lazy, incapable, unwilling to work, and just wants your handouts. No, what's funny is how you are tucking your tail between your legs and avoiding an answer.

rulemylife -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:30:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather actually no. i'm not a conservative at all. i'm an anarchist. i oppose government programs because i oppose government. hannah lynn But I'm quite sure you will not decline those government programs when you have need of them.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:34:58 AM)
quote: A leftist would never let their kids near the water, sure they would drown if they even get near it An anarchist pushes the kids off the dock and says its sink or swim kiddys A Conservative pays for swimming lessons out of his own pocket.. while a "Compassionate Conservative" is just another big leftist pandering for the Conservative vote and your metaphor is so stupid as to be pointless. hopefully it was just a momentary lapse, otherwise i worry about you. hannah lynn

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:43:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel lol sure you turn to illegal activities because they you can get arrested and the State will be responsible for you while you are in jail. So on some level you do believe in governmental programs, you are just picking and choosing which ones. You choose the program that takes away your rights instead of programs that will allow you freedom in your life to change your circumstances. But hey, at least as a criminal you will be keeping governmental employees in jobs. angel A few years ago, someone told me prisoners get free college and when they're released have an easier time getting jobs than law abiding citizens because companies get bonuses or tax breaks for hiring them. I don't know if that's true or not. Just what someone told me.

Sanity -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:47:16 AM)
Its nice that you see yourself as god, and all that... Though I hate to have to be the one to break it to you, its not really yours to judge. The metaphor is very fitting Edited to add, in my very humble opinion... [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather and your metaphor is so stupid as to be pointless. hopefully it was just a momentary lapse, otherwise i worry about you. hannah lynn

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:50:01 AM)
quote: But I'm quite sure you will not decline those government programs when you have need of them. and you're wrong. hannah lynn

mnottertail -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 6:50:51 AM)
No, it is a wholly stupid and absolutely pointless metaphor. As many leftist children have gone swimming as rightist children joined the Hitler Jungend, have done it in droves, they did.

Musicmystery -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 7:17:41 AM)
quote: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? A much better question would be "Is employment a social good?" And it clearly is, contributing to a nation in multiple ways, just as large armies of unemployed create social ills.

PilotPTK -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 7:18:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: Another fine example of compassionate conservatism. actually no. i'm not a conservative at all. i'm an anarchist. i oppose government programs because i oppose government. hannah lynn And a damn well spoken one. I'm not quite the anarchist you are - there are a FEW reasons that I believe a government should exist. Reading your level-headed responses is quite a pleasure though. Most people with beliefs as sided as yours just vomit ramblings into words and sound like lunatics - not you, you sound well thought and committed to your view. Well done. PPtk

DarkSteven -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 7:21:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife I don't mean this to be rude DS, but no matter what I say it will come out that way. I can't think of any other way to ask it. Are you blaming the failure of your businesses on the government? And as far as the propping up of real estate prices, come down to Florida. Houses and condos that were selling for $200k to $300k are now selling for $50k to $75k. And that's not an exaggeration, I can send you the listings and the prices the homes were originally purchased for. My first business failure was entirely my fault. The second one, the government DID play a part. They changed the regulations of my industry four months after I entered it, designed to drive out small independent operators like myself and concentrate the industry so it could be more easily regulated.

LaTigresse -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 7:27:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Should employment be a "right" for all American citizens that want to work? Should the government be responsible for making sure jobs are "created" somehow for everyone that wants to work and seeks employment? With "real" unemployment around 15% what type government assistance beyond unemployment should be created or be available for the long term unemployed? Are we our brothers keeper? If so, what should be done to help those that have been seeking employment for a long period of time, and have not secured employment in the United States? My ex-husband was unemployment for about 8 months, and was not eligible for any assistance beyond unemployment, because he did not have any minor dependents. He was seriously in dire straits, because he could not find any program that could assist him, unless he had dependents, was disabled or elderly. In this day of budget cutting, and trying to do more with less, what should we be doing to help the growing number of the LONG TERM unemployed and those seriously underemployed that are working part-time but seek full time employment? Or should this group of people just eat cake? No, I do not feel that employment is a right. I believe that it is something to be worked for, earned. Saying it is a right implies it can be taken for granted. I do not take my job for granted and neither should the people that work for me. I believe the government has tremendous responsibilities but to make sure that each and every citizen has a job is not one of those responsibilities. What to do about those that are unemployed. That is too complex an issue. Here in the U.S. the collective we, seems to want our cake and eat it too. We want all of the benefits of a democratic, capitalistic society when it is in our best interest BUT, when we are suffering, we want a more socialistic/communist government with regards to making sure everyone has a fair shake. You cannot have both. Not realistically.

PilotPTK -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 7:32:31 AM)
I've got a great idea.. Lets, as a society, make a law that says everyone from 18-65 who wants a job, can have one. Problem solved, right? Sounds like a typical politician attitude - I can fix things by Legislating them! Ok, so now, the law is passed, and here comes our first applicant. He's 40, has no college education, has the same ability to communicate as a wet dish rag and doesn't understand algebra. Guys and gals, I hate to be the asshole (actually, no I don't), but there are a LOT of applicants like this man out there. A LOT. So here's the million dollar question; what do we do with our applicant. He has the newly legislated RIGHT to a job, so what do we do with him. If he wanted to work a menial job flipping burgers or digging ditches or picking vegetables, HE WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED THE LEGISLATION - those jobs ARE available. I promise. You figure out what to do with him, and who is going to pay him. If you can figure that out, you will very quickly realize that you didn't need the newly enacted legislation after all.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 7:37:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel I am torn on this subject because i don't believe the government has the right to tell businesses who and when to hire. But i also do not think it bodes well for the US when you have people who have good qualifications not finding work that they can utilize their skills but instead those skills are wasted in hole in the wall jobs that pretty much anyone can do. To me, the US should be ashamed that there are 1 million people applying for a job at McDs because a lot of them are this desperate to work becuase they can't find work they are qualified to do. What does it say for the US as a whole when you have people with good quality skills working at whole in the wall places not being utilized to their fullest potential. If we stop allowing people to utilize their potential to the fullest because we shrug and say oh well to the fact they can't find jobs to utilize their skills, people will stop caring whether they are utilized to their fullest potential and where will that leave us in the next few generations. We have to compete with countries such as China in this world, we can't afford to shrug off the fact that millions of peopel are out of work and their educations and skills are not being utilized to their fullest potential to benefit themselves and indirectly the US as a whole. angel Now take it the next step....how did we get here? How do we fix it? Thats the easy question...undo what we did to get here.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be done to help the long term unemployed? (5/18/2011 7:49:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic A liberal teaches his/her own kids to swim You have to know how to do something before you can teach it.

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