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Sanity -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 8:27:07 AM)


The Kool Aid drinkers are the ones launching the personal attacks, usually

They cant debate the actual argument so they go after the messenger instead

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ORIGINAL: xssve

What happens is it turns into the usual tedious partisan bickering - experiment concluded.

You really think a Kool-Aid drinker like Sanity is gonna go "oh, yeah, you're right - we're no better than they are"?

Dream on.





juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 8:29:47 AM)

What you are attempting to do (and I hope it will be unsuccessful) is to turn this debate into a partisan war. I am not falling for it.... thread jacking is against the TOS




Sanity -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 8:35:23 AM)


I am defending myself from a few bomb throwers who failed to understand what I wrote earlier julia

And if this isnt meant as a political thread why did you put it here in the political section...

Of course you meant for it to be a partisan war, youre probably the most partisan person posting in the forums right now, though you are in full denial about that

Your problem is that you hate it that others can post opinions contrary to your own, and that you cant control what is posted like some iron fisted tyrant

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

What you are attempting to do (and I hope it will be unsuccessful) is to turn this debate into a partisan war. I am not falling for it.... thread jacking is against the TOS




juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 8:37:48 AM)

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And if this isnt meant as a political thread why did you put it here in the political section...


It is a political thread, but it isn't a partisan one... there is a difference, you know. I hope you do not need me to explain the difference.


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Of course you meant for it to be a partisan war, youre probably the most partisan person posting in the forums right now, though you are in full denial about that


Edited to add, in what way am I partisan? Please define it for me, please.

Edited again to add... what does my political affiliation have to do with prostitution and sex slavery?




xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 8:51:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I am defending myself from a few bomb throwers who failed to understand what I wrote earlier julia

And if this isnt meant as a political thread why did you put it here in the political section...

Of course you meant for it to be a partisan war, youre probably the most partisan person posting in the forums right now, though you are in full denial about that

Your problem is that you hate it that others can post opinions contrary to your own, and that you cant control what is posted like some iron fisted tyrant

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

What you are attempting to do (and I hope it will be unsuccessful) is to turn this debate into a partisan war. I am not falling for it.... thread jacking is against the TOS

The only thing you need to defend is what, if anything, demonizing Clinton with ancient allegations about his affairs with adult women has to do with human trafficking of underage girls.

Everything else is your persecution/martyr complex, bunker mentality talking - I don't think you have any idea what the term "non-partisan" means.

I'm partisan, and biased distinctly towards liberalism - doesn't mean I can't step back and look at the big picture - the democratic leadership doesn't always represent my interests, damn seldom lately in fact, but I tell them that instead of blindly defending them because they aren't "the enemy".

There's just not any point in trying to discuss anything with you man, you salivatin' like Pavolv's dog.






Icarys -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 9:10:09 AM)

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Everything else is your persecution/martyr complex, bunker mentality talking - I don't think you have any idea what the term "non-partisan" means.


Very good. I like to call it a wounded bird routine but this works too. I'm not stalking you BTW, just commenting on your words.[:D]




SternSkipper -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 9:34:36 AM)

I know this should MAYBE occupy another thread... but if you read it, you'll see some traction and if you extrapolate a bit, I really feel there;s a tie-in to the larger politics of what we;re talking about...

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The right must read Alinsky all the time - anybody ever disagree with them on anything that hasn't been demonized?


Certainly not me.... I have a lot of (well they're all now demoted to acquaintances, since I started seeing what their horseshit is doing in my kids' lives... I have NEVER seen bullying at a high like this.. and when I trace it back to the source, it's not street urchins, it's 'Bob's son from over in castleview' and the prick of a father is a loud voice in the local tea party). When I say something even overtly 'liberal' in terms of where it tracks politically, I get a blather of regurgitation from like Jay Severin's radio show (This asshole is a WELL PAID radio pundit for the GOP/Tea Party based out of massachusetts, which is for those who don't know it, the front line in the effort to turn a liberal state proletariat gray. He uses the term 'best and brightest' to describe his audience as he downloads merit-less factoids.) My problem with this is that the people being molded really aren't that bright and when I ask them if they've read and understand some of the books cited on the show, or ask pointed questions about the detailed political ideology, they cite the only two or three blurbs they know plus try and work in some out of context 'talking point', Then when I say "Gee thanks, but that's on the back cover of the jacket and it doesn't really answer my question (CAUSE IT DOESN'T), they fly into a fucking rage that would make a shelter dog with his foot in a snare proud.
   Okay, I can handle this... it's just morony and I sleep well after telling em they're just fucking programmed and that we'll continue the conversation when they have thoughts of their own. But what I am no longer going to tolerate is when they download the shit to their kids and the kids make use of it in their own way.
   I have a son who's twelve, he has for the last 5 years been highest grade earner in his class each year, and he is totally not what you would call a nerd. He is the number 2 scorer of goals in his soccer league, he can rock climb with a confidence and pace that most adults would envy, and when we've been 35 miles from land in any direction crossing the ocean between massachusetts' two capes, I don't have a problem going below for a nap with him at the helm. But you know what makes me proudest of this guy? it's that he is for the most part, one of the gentlest young men I have ever seen.
   Well last month the bullying came to our doorstep. This kid, who's loud mouthed rhetoric, I am constantly having to explain to my boy what the deal is with this kid. Well, two days after he got suspended for using the word "nigger" a few too many times. He went after this cute little bi-racial girl who he THOUGHT turned him in (as it turns out it was the kid next door to him in McMansionville who ratted him out cause they were closing in on him for laughing out loud about it and asking the teacher 'what are you going to do about it anyway?"). Anyway, I get a call after this incident from the vice principal saying J had been involved in a fight. I went to the school and they had my boy closed off in a room and this little hitler pulling a sniffling act in the main office. you could smell what must've happened in the air. My boy was about to receive a good railroading. So my first remark walking in was "Hi mark, i hear your Dad is making excellent progress with your vocabulary these days". Then I asked the VP what his beef was. He told me only this "Your son chased mark here through the parking lot at top speed and then tackled him. that's where the road rash on the left side of his face comes from" He'd had a face cloth against his face I took another look and thought 'Oh yeah, that'll leave marks' and then I said to the VP "I want to hear the whole story from my son, before I respond to any of this". He was actually reluctant saying, I'm still looking at this and i don;'t want any of the parents alone with their kids before i reach some conclusion." I told him that I actually wanted him along because I was absolutely confident that my son's account would be sufficiently different and would actually contain the details of what happened as opposed to some half-assed synopsis. He was able to agree to that much.
   So we sit down with J and he says that he was coming out of the afterschool band practice, and he saw this mark kid pulling on the aforementioned little girl's hair trying to throw her on the ground. he said he yelled at the kid from a distance and said he wasn't even supposed to be on school property., and the girl broke free and ran. He also said the girl started running and that this kid said "you better run" and started chasing the girl. There were 4 or 5 other kids there apparently and only this chubby kid who is in J's class even bothered to yell at the kid. So J ran after the boy and before the kid could get to the little girl, my boy threw a tackle on the kid and stopped him, and I guess he used him for a sled for a few feet.
    I looked at the VP and said "well I guess we can go. Good luck with the little sociopath." This guy actually got up and blocked my way saying "Mr ______, I haven't determined in anyway that your son's account is the truth". I asked if he had short term memory loss and if he'd forgotten the kid was suspended and that my son was in good standing with the school and had a perfect record in terms of his citizenship at school. He agreed but something was keeping him from siding with J, it was crystal clear. He said "i understand your strong liberal approach to things and I am sure you always encourage your son to be the white knight". I said :"Stop right there pal. My political ideologies in this context, or any for that matter have zip to do with my son protecting a defenseless student when your supervision was WHERE?". I told my son to get up, and that we were leaving. As i said this I saw the little girl's Dad come plowing into the main office and  basically address the punk who caused all of this with "Oh, so it's you again. tell your daddy that the real reason people go to the NAACP is because of shit like you who leave us nothing else. But also tell him that if he wants to square off with me at this point and debate it. he better bring an extra set of teeth". That obviously got the VP's attention refocused and a big argument ensued between the girls Dad and the VP. I told the guy as I left with J that if he wanted to sue, I would be happy to join him, and that I was terribly sorry about what happened to his little girl (and let me say this, she lives less than a mile away and we see her and her mother in the grocery store all the time. And she is a sweet soft-spoken little girl not her fault if she won't shut up and allow herself to be defined by punks). He merely replied "you're doing a good job with that little man, he's a real gentleman. He is welcome in my home anytime he wants to visit".
    Okay, nasties averterted, but ya know what still gets my ass? Since this incident, the father has gone wild spinning the whole incident with mutual friends and acquaintances of ours. And he intimates to people that I am "just a fucking socialist deadhead asshole and I put my son up to targeting his son for violence cause he can't face me with his Obama crap". My friends laugh and say "i wouldn't say that to his face if I were you" and the people who are just neighbors and know both of us tell me and that they think he's nuts. The truth is, and I am somewhat sorry about this, that I never even really addressed what to do about this kid in the event he goes nuts or gets physical till a few weeks ago. And on that day, my son was actually afraid that he was in trouble in my eyes on the way home. I punished him by taking he and his sister to Friendlies for burgers and ice cream.
   But six months ago, I might have just laughed rhetoric like that off, but now I've had a taste of where it's going. And I'll break out the Dom anytime anybody wants a pissing match over it.
Peace,
Skipper





xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 9:36:47 AM)

They can't ever seem to make up their minds whether they wanna be the victims or the oppressors, so they're always trying to play both ends - if they're not being put upon, they're the majority, the last bastion of all that's good and right, and entitled to impose whatever they think that is upon the benighted masses for the good of all mankind.

Which is why Socrates recommended staying out of politics altogether if you want to preserve any shred of moral integrity.




xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 9:44:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

I know this should MAYBE occupy another thread... but if you read it, you'll see some traction and if you extrapolate a bit, I really feel there;s a tie-in to the larger politics of what we;re talking about...


Yeah, I still try to uphold the traditions of reasoned debate, but it's pissing up a rope, I mostly do it out of habit, rather than any hope of change, I'm up against a 24/7, tax-cut funded, nonstop media machine.

Still, I'm pretty sure they make a noise all out of proportion with their numbers, but seeding local bureaucracies with ringers is definitely part of the overall strategy.




Icarys -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 9:45:16 AM)

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Socrates

Smart fella, that one.




SternSkipper -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 9:45:38 AM)

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I'm partisan, and biased distinctly towards liberalism - doesn't mean I can't step back and look at the big picture - the democratic leadership doesn't always represent my interests, damn seldom lately in fact, but I tell them that instead of blindly defending them because they aren't "the enemy".


Tell me something, being someone who like me looks at an issue from as many cogent sources as you can before formulating at least your final view on some topic that's been thrown out wherever ... Does it make you kind of twitch for a second and then say "WTF???" when they vomit up the word liberal and go off into a way out of context description of your belief system. It does that to me anymore. I used to, up until about a year or two ago try to see it as 'well people have been through a wicked grinder  the past decade of two, and maybe they are just changing in terms of how they think'. But I no longer believe that. All the verbatim sentences, all the incorrect terminolgy... It's GOT to be programming working at it's best
  Mr. Murdock and his colleagues, and especially his paid employees are doing an excellent job. irregardless of whether it's completely unfair and unbalanced.





xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 9:48:03 AM)

The relevance, is that in that FLDS case I mentioned earlier, charges were brought against him a few years ago for the same thing with another girl, but the DA dismissed all 85 counts, in spite of the police insisting they had enough to prosecute - this last time, the girl videotaped it.

The movers and shakers around here are all conservative Mormons or Baptists, it's always been kind of a tug of war between them and everybody else.




Sanity -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 9:52:53 AM)


You would be correct in guessing that you are one of the "bomb throwers" who I was referring to, yes. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: xssve

The only thing you need to defend is what, if anything, demonizing Clinton with ancient allegations about his affairs with adult women has to do with human trafficking of underage girls.

Everything else is your persecution/martyr complex, bunker mentality talking - I don't think you have any idea what the term "non-partisan" means.

I'm partisan, and biased distinctly towards liberalism - doesn't mean I can't step back and look at the big picture - the democratic leadership doesn't always represent my interests, damn seldom lately in fact, but I tell them that instead of blindly defending them because they aren't "the enemy".

There's just not any point in trying to discuss anything with you man, you salivatin' like Pavolv's dog.







SternSkipper -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 10:09:38 AM)

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Yeah, I still try to uphold the traditions of reasoned debate, but it's pissing up a rope, I mostly do it out of habit, rather than any hope of change, I'm up against a 24/7, tax-cut funded, nonstop media machine.


I have a dear friend who's got Fox poisoning, and while I didn't know him personally where we grew up in RI, i remember as a kid going down to the coast guard house in narragansett right after the hurricane warnings got lifted to fish for whatever big game the off course gulfstream had for us. And I'd see Jack and his cronies out there on surfboards risking their lives all high on X or whatever the surfer's drug of the day was from my cozy side of the seawall and think what a bunch of fucking nuts.
    Thirty years pass and we're now neighbors, our children are best friends and I consider this guy and his wife to be among our best friends. And I encourage those kids to stay friends forever if possible. But poor jack is living in a fox bubble and is all but fatally poisoned. Even when I point out first hand examples that effect both of us (like when the local tea partiers get a cap on our taxes and our property taxes went up by twice that much because we're a fucking commonwealth and the redistribution of revenue is lopsided. So when they 'cut' taxes. they end up raping the lottery, the fee based stuff, and punitive revenue to run the show upstate and fuck the schools and what we call here 'betterment' <sewers, streets, water treartment, etc>.). He'll freak out and say something about Obama, when pure and simple, obama isn't even remotely in the equation, and wasn't some 20 years ago when the practice began.
  The great thing about jack is that he doesn't download to his kids. And they are swell people as well. Jack is too, better than most anyway. But I know his vote will always be a washout, so I don't often talk politics with him anymore.


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Still, I'm pretty sure they make a noise all out of proportion with their numbers, but seeding local bureaucracies with ringers is definitely part of the overall strategy.


I agree, I think that if you measured the fox affiliate in this area's numbers, they are DEFINITELY losing money. But Massachusetts is a BIG prize, if they could ever turn Boston red, I think they theorize it would be a game ender kind of victory. But you can see them ALL OVER the tea partiers (Even the fake one's like Scott Brown who got Ted Kennedy's seat .... ONCE). And in my town they have three neo-clowns in the local govt. And they are trying to beat the old traditional GOP guys out of office talking about their colleagues in the party like they are ready for soft food. The nice thing is that they have little chance of prevailing,





xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 10:18:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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I'm partisan, and biased distinctly towards liberalism - doesn't mean I can't step back and look at the big picture - the democratic leadership doesn't always represent my interests, damn seldom lately in fact, but I tell them that instead of blindly defending them because they aren't "the enemy".


Tell me something, being someone who like me looks at an issue from as many cogent sources as you can before formulating at least your final view on some topic that's been thrown out wherever ... Does it make you kind of twitch for a second and then say "WTF???" when they vomit up the word liberal and go off into a way out of context description of your belief system. It does that to me anymore. I used to, up until about a year or two ago try to see it as 'well people have been through a wicked grinder  the past decade of two, and maybe they are just changing in terms of how they think'. But I no longer believe that. All the verbatim sentences, all the incorrect terminolgy... It's GOT to be programming working at it's best

Mr. Murdock and his colleagues, and especially his paid employees are doing an excellent job. irregardless of whether it's completely unfair and unbalanced.


It's called "framing", and a lot of it is driven by astroturfers in forums like this one, people who are really paid PR flacks who stir up shit under the pretense that it's a "grass roots" thing, even though it invariably follows the script coming straight out of AEI.

You gotta be blind not to see that, but alas, even my Dad is suffering from a Limbaugtomy, just like half the Town.

And they say we're in lockstep, shit, you can't have an independent opinion as a conservative anymore if it isn't straight out of the AEI and it's channels, it's not allowed. It's depressin', I tell ya - didn't people used to have more sense than that?

That's why I like Gary Johnson, but they'll dry gulch him, he hasn't got a snowballs chance of getting the nomination.




Termyn8or -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 10:33:07 AM)

Jumpthrough because I'm not reading ten pages.

julia, Men do keep it in their pants. They know when to take it out. They make you want them. When you do it is the proper time and Men will also make sure that you have a good time.

Men share. Those who take are called something else. But Men are actually pretty rare - present company excepted of course. But out there in the world, most males would rape all the time if it was legal. Males only care about getting their wick wet, kinda like teenagers.

T^T




juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 10:35:02 AM)

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Males only care about getting their wick wet, kinda like teenagers.


Many men care about more than that...




Termyn8or -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 10:38:06 AM)

You used the word men. How many males are not ?

T^T




thishereboi -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 10:42:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xssve

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Well the title makes it a partisan thread,


Where does the title mention a specific party?

Not politically partisan, but gender biased - biased if you buy the argument that a lot of the Johns are married to religious martyrs who only do it for purposes of reproduction, which I'm sure is the case in more than a few instances, given that a lot of this seems to be occurring in the bible belt.

As opposed to politically partisan - "men are all dogs" is more a lefty/feminist meme, and that's what the thread title manages to imply to some extent.


If you meant biased, you should have said biased. But the op has already explained several times why she started the thread. Maybe if you go back you will catch it this time. I'll skip all the bs religious references because they are just that.




SternSkipper -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/20/2011 10:53:36 AM)

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You gotta be blind not to see that, but alas, even my Dad is suffering from a Limbaugtomy, just like half the Town.


Sorry about your Dad. Back in like maybe 2k or 01 my Lawyer and I had a field day on that asshole in a pub in Hyde Park (boston) when he came in for a staged appearance. My lawyer's picture is on one of the walls along with Bill Weld when they stopped there on their way back from a providence dead show they'd attended the previous night(the prominent hippy lawyer with the republican governor of the day). We had us a foxhole there so to speak, in that NO ONE, not even the great El-Rushbo's handlers could ask us to tone it down or leave this boston landmark.
   And we basically elbowed right up to the bar and started asking him what business a "Big fat fucking Oxycontin junkie" had saying ANYTHING about Jerry Garcia's untimely and tragic death. Boy, did they ever cancel that simulcast quickly. The following day they did the show from Jacob Worth's Steakhouse downtown and claimed the weather kept them from getting out to hyde park... it sprinkled that day.
  Oh, and the reason they picked that pub is because it was the former stomping ground of James Michael Curley

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And they say we're in lockstep, shit, you can't have an independent opinion as a conservative anymore if it isn't straight out of the AEI and it's channels, it's not allowed. It's depressin', I tell ya - didn't people used to have more sense than that?


What happened to Republicans with stature we could at least respect from the other side of the aisle? I know you're (r) and all and i am (d) politically speaking. yet we seem to be able to speak cogently about what's going on and i read your posts here and there and never find myself saying "Oh bullshit'. I agree a lot and sometimes disagree. But at the same time, I respect that you're looking for real resolution to problems. And with folks who think like that surely there's a fusion of philosophies that can result in a better, if not whole solution. And I'll tell you right now, I can't stand when I hear someone from my party digging all the way back to the nixon years for material and when someone says to me "nancy pelosi, poor nancy pelosi too bad how she got fucked" I'll be quick to described her as nancy reagan in blue.
  I miss guys like Bob Dole to be honest, and on the other side guys like Claiborne Pell. They may have had strong debates, but things got done. And you would NEVER see either engage in gutter snipe. The question is, do we ever get that back? Or is this it, and it just rolls slowly downhill from here.




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