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xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (6/27/2011 6:48:41 AM)
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My last post above was a mispost, obviously, but I did wan to address this post, which I missed before:
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ORIGINAL: hlen5
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ORIGINAL: xssve
...............Prostitutes provide a valuable service, I don't like the idea of prosecuting Johns, because every guy frequenting a prostitute is one guy who isn't molesting his or someone else child - ..............
To me, this means men are no more than slobbering hounds thinking with their dicks. I don't believe that.
It's not a john's "fault" that the prostitute is out there, but with no demand, there would be no one coerced into supplying it. If no one's buying, no one is going to try to sell.
ETA: Pedophiles are not violating because they can't get regular age appropriate sex. How does that explain married perps??
First off, who much experience do you have with prostitutes? That pretty stereotypical, I don't frequent them as I mention elsewhere, but I've been around them at various times during the course of many eclectic careers, and for the most part, the pro/john relationship is not significant different on the face of it than that of a single woman, other than she asks you if you want a "date", and it's a relatively short date, you skip dinner and movie, and you end up at a hotel instead of her house.
But even watch cops or something, you'll see that - the customers are often working men, guys working out of town, etc. without the time or connections to woo an amateur.
Otherwise, getting laid can be a pretty time consuming process, women are suspicious, with good reason, and they are often surrounded by a cloud of jealous suitors, girlfriends, etc., etc., there whole books written on the subject, it requires time and money, you need a wingman, etc., you need game.
Think about what you put a guy through before you sleep with him, most women don't just fall into bed with the first guy that asks, not since the Seventies anyway, some sort of relationship has to be established first, it's why players play, i.e., they usually got a string of 'em going at once so if one don't pan out they got another one lined up.
"Slobbering hounds" definitely is not it, the slightest hint of desperation and you're out so fast it'll make your head spin, you got to be cool as a cucumber, and able to conceal your disappointment, you start ragging chicks out if they shoot you down, word gets around, that's just life, you wanna play the game, you follow the rules, whatever they may be.
Prostitution is no different, just quicker, they're still women, they still demand a modicum of respect and human feeling, we all need human contact - hell, in Eighties, people in NYC were paying people just to hang and be friends, so intense had the narcissistic cliquishness become.
When it comes to pedophilia, another stereotype is that they're all the same - the set of men who sexually molest children is not homogeneous, it's extremely heterogeneous, and age doesn't even have to be the primary attractor or even figure into it - children are vulnerable, and that makes them an attractive target of opportunity, presumably, the vulnerability itself may be an attractor, if the alternative experience is willful or socially aggressive women.
I realize I'm treading on thin ice here, and I'm not trying to rationalize anything, I'm trying to ascertain what the potential motivations might be - even psychological professionals don't necessarily understand what is going on in the mind of a sexual predator, and part of the reason for that is one is not always able to ascertain the chain of events that put that person into a psychological state where he was capable of contemplating and acting out on such a thing, one cannot rule out negative incidental social or psychosexual experiences.
Enculturation is one of the primary jobs of women, like it or not, the mother is the primary social influence on a child up to the age of about Five so don't tell me that there are no potential consequences of that when it comes to how a man idealizes women.
I'm not making an accusation, I'm saying think about it: it's largely outside my experience as well, and I suspect a Domina might have a great deal more insight and experience with these sorts of psychodynamics..
We do know, that social stress is no small thing, it can literally kill you - see social death - it can turn a child into a psychopath, although the mechanism might be different than I previously described, see this article on how stress may be inherited without altering the DNA itself: Effects of stress can be inherited and here's how.
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Over 20 years ago, Ishii and his colleagues discovered a gene in yeast (called activation transcription factor-2 or ATF-2 for short)that is required for those tightly packed, heterochromatin structures to form. ATF-2 is altered by stress-activated protein kinases in response to environmental stress, inflammatory cytokines, and reactive oxygen species (ROS). But it wasn't entirely clear what this might mean for other organisms.
In other words, the DNA isn't altered during recombination, but another factor that affects behavior of heterochromatin is passed along and effects changes in a neo-Lamarikian fashion.
That's at least Two different methods I'm aware of that can account for stationary phase mutation, and neo-Lamarkian inheritance.
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