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xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 6:06:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Many reasons, could be cancer, could be injury, could be an infection... it isn't from a build up of seminal fluid.


Unbelievable. So why does the swelling go down after ejaculation? FM again?

I've got one, I know, I can feeeel it.



tazzygirl -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 6:07:04 PM)

Why do you have wet dreams?



xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 6:08:04 PM)

I don't.



VideoAdminRho -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 6:12:16 PM)

Could we perhaps get back on topic, folks?
Thank you



xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 6:38:52 PM)

Talking about cock now, I hadn't even gotten there.

As for topicality, the question posed in the thread title is "why can't men keep it in their pants", which is what makes nocturnal emissions relevant, though I didn't think of that, since I've never had one - morning wood? Always, sometimes even painful - but presumably, nocturnal emissions are a mechanism for draining the prostate.

Why are we all on a website looking for, or talking about sex? Because that's what we evolved to do: eat, drink, sleep, fight and fuck - we only fight over eating, drinking, sleeping and fucking, and we only eat drink and sleep so we have the strength to fuck.

We're just here talking about different ways to do that, and to some extent, how to do it in legal, consensual, and ethical ways.



tweakabelle -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 6:46:46 PM)

The Australian experience has been that de-criminalising prostitution is positive for all concerned except pimps. Pimping is rare here - I can't remember the last time one was mentioned in the media. Pimps have been replaced by male brothel owners, who tend to be more like business men. (Abusive boyfriends and husbands have yet to see the light.) The proportion of sex work carried on the streets is minuscule, brothels (which can be purpose-built multi-million $ investments) and escort agencies dominate the trade. Specialised support and health services are available for workers. There is an influential Prostitutes' Collective. Assaults on sex workers are relatively uncommon. The police have learned to take crimes perpetrated on sex workers seriously. It's far from perfect but so much better than it used to be.

A close colleague has been researching this area for over 30 years. She tells me that the old stereotype of the pimp-exploited, drug-addicted street walking prostitute is increasingly obsolete. Amongst the workers, more and more women are choosing sex work. (The dynamics of male sex work are markedly different, the shared social stigma notwithstanding). More and more, I'm told, sex work is resembling other legitimate businesses. Which is as it should be.

So it would appear that both the European (thanks Lady Constance for interesting informed posts) and Australian experiences suggest the case for legalising sex work is very strong. It's not a panacea, but surely a giant step in the right direction

Trafficking and sex slavery does occur. The reasons for it are complex, it is well hidden, the victims are silent and voiceless for any number of reasons. Typically a young girl is sold by her family to the trafficker. He transports the girl here and then forces her to service clients to pay off the "debt". The sex slaves are kept isolated, virtual prisoners. They receive little experience of Australian society, no language training and remain totally unaware of their rights under Australian law. When discovered, traffickers are dealt with harshly.

Paradoxically enough, those whose money finances the entire trafficking cycle are uniquely positioned to help end this traffic in misery. The johns are often the only real contact these women have with Australian society. Whilst most johns see an interest in maintaining the silence, occasionally one surfaces whose loathing of slavery outweighs his other 'needs', and decides to do something to help the trapped women. This is an opportunity available to every john. Why do so few avail themselves of it? Is their 'need' so overwhelming that everything else is cast out the window? Do cock rights trump human rights and basic values? Why does their morality end where their libidos begin? (hint: it's got zilch to do with biology)

At the very core of this debate is our culture's hypocritical attitude to sex and sexual expression. We live in a culture that eulogises a particular view of male heterosexual sexuality and demonises the sexualities of females and everyone else (including almost all the contributors to these boards). Overwhelmingly, we remain trapped within this two-dimensional sexual economy, 'studs' and 'sluts'. Women have been challenging this through feminism, through changing ourselves, through asserting our rights and demanding equality for decades now.

Isn't it time some men took a good look at themselves, ceased their spurious claims to be prisoners of biology, abandoned their attempts to control the sexualities of others en masse and took responsibility for their own? Isn't it incumbent on more evolved males to expedite this process?

Personally I regard cocks very fondly. Though I find brains are much sexier. Surely there's so much more to maleness than mere possession of a bit of flaccid flesh. Isn't it time to put it back in your pants and put your thinking caps on instead. It's a much more attractive look.




xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 6:50:40 PM)

Dream on.



WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 7:20:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Isn't it time some men took a good look at themselves, ceased their spurious claims to be prisoners of biology, abandoned their attempts to control the sexualities of others en masse and took responsibility for their own? Isn't it incumbent on more evolved males to expedite this process?

Psst... no such thing as an evolved male, just cunning ones mouthing platitudes to please women. All part of the game.[:D]

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Personally I regard cocks very fondly. Though I find brains are much sexier. Surely there's so much more to maleness than mere possession of a bit of flaccid flesh. Isn't it time to put it back in your pants and put your thinking caps on instead. It's a much more attractive look.

I feel the answer has to be a no to the above. Men will never put "it" back in until castration or androcide is enforced in the gynarchial society that I am assured will definately come - bet there are a few on here that would be top of the que for "eunuchdom". [;)] [edit in case of annoyance]



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 8:17:22 PM)

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I didn't dispute your info. I said that the drug addiction and incest/molestation can and do overlap each other.

The numbers vary but this is one site I am familiar with and they report the incidence of drug abuse among prostitutes at 75%. VeronicasVoice doesn't give numbers but reports that drug abuse is high among prostitutes.

http://www.saveexploitedwomen.org/statistics

Count me in as one who is in favor of legalizing prostitution.

mbmbn


No, you argued that women in the United States were not coerced or threatened in order to get them into it, and I showed how an extremely high percentage of them are in fact sexually abused, victims of incest, go into the life at the age of 13 or 14, are coerced into it, and threatened if they try to leave.

You seem to think it is a better lot than a sex slave from Asia, and that these women are somehow less of a victim in their predicament. I assert that the majority of the time that this is not true. It is probably a small minority of women that do this because they want to.



thishereboi -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 8:37:43 PM)

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............But, as a culture, we of course frown heavily on masturbation - so heavily in fact that it seems rape, or even doing your own daughter is more acceptable, more manly, much less visit a prostitute, etc.

And, I also don't think anybody promotes that particular value more than women because again, that maintains the bias towards a sellers market.................
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im not arguing, I asked a question. If you didnt say that, why do I need to go back to school? Are you now saying a build up of sperm will kill you?

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I don't know how it is for women, but for me, my prostate gland swells up with semen, and my dick gets hard - if I don't do someting about it, my prostate starts ripping open from the inside out, and eventually, I die in agony.


This is what you posted, yes?


Yes he did and this "............But, as a culture, we of course frown heavily on masturbation - so heavily in fact that it seems rape, or even doing your own daughter is more acceptable, more manly, much less visit a prostitute, etc.

And, I also don't think anybody promotes that particular value more than women because again, that maintains the bias towards a sellers market................."

At which point I knew there was no real point in even having a discussion with the guy. Not sure why you bothered but you are usually nicer than I am.[8D]



thishereboi -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 8:42:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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don't know how it is for women, but for me, my prostate gland swells up with semen, and my dick gets hard - if I don't do someting about it, my prostate starts ripping open from the inside out, and eventually, I die in agony.


Is this or is this not what you posted?

I can understand your desire to ignore this... but... lol


I think a sharp smack with a metal rod would fix that problem straight away[8D]



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 8:43:36 PM)

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because every guy frequenting a prostitute is one guy who isn't molesting his or someone else child - it is a victimless crime, how she got to be a prostitute is not directly the fault of the John, it's a straightforward transaction, a


I saw the other replies to this post, but I have to address this myself...

What you are saying is because some guy didn't have sex with his own daughter, or his neighbor's daughter, it is okay for him to go and have sex with a stranger's daughter... that is what you are talking about, since basically you have stated (probably correctly) that men want to pay to have sex with young teenagers... this is something that they should not be arrested for, even though if they had sex with their own child, or a neighbor's child they would be not only arrested, but facing life as a registered sex offender...

This is the attitude that shows that this country truly needs to wake up and realize that their attitudes towards women are not any better than any other region of the world. We have MBMN earlier not acknowledging that these are VERY often kids selling sex on the street, coerced by pimps, and then you saying it is better to use a strangers kid for sex... as long as you aren't using your own...

Truly flabbergasting [8|]



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 8:59:06 PM)

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At the very core of this debate is our culture's hypocritical attitude to sex and sexual expression. We live in a culture that eulogises a particular view of male heterosexual sexuality and demonises the sexualities of females and everyone else (including almost all the contributors to these boards). Overwhelmingly, we remain trapped within this two-dimensional sexual economy, 'studs' and 'sluts'. Women have been challenging this through feminism, through changing ourselves, through asserting our rights and demanding equality for decades now.


It has to do with control over women and their sexual organs. The more control that women have over their sex lives, the less control men have. Deep down there is this very moralistic attitude towards women and their sexual choices. We have had to fight to disallow a woman's sexual past from being used in rape cases to humiliate her. We have had to fight for the right for women to have privacy over their interaction with their doctors, basically, we have had to fight fight fight.

There are still many people who have punitive attitudes towards women and their sexuality, some of those attitudes are prevalent on this thread, like some people thinking that children as young as 14 can make the "decision" to prostitute themselves...as if they are competent enough to do so.




xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:21:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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because every guy frequenting a prostitute is one guy who isn't molesting his or someone else child - it is a victimless crime, how she got to be a prostitute is not directly the fault of the John, it's a straightforward transaction, a


I saw the other replies to this post, but I have to address this myself...

What you are saying is because some guy didn't have sex with his own daughter, or his neighbor's daughter, it is okay for him to go and have sex with a stranger's daughter... that is what you are talking about, since basically you have stated (probably correctly) that men want to pay to have sex with young teenagers... this is something that they should not be arrested for, even though if they had sex with their own child, or a neighbor's child they would be not only arrested, but facing life as a registered sex offender...

This is the attitude that shows that this country truly needs to wake up and realize that their attitudes towards women are not any better than any other region of the world. We have MBMN earlier not acknowledging that these are VERY often kids selling sex on the street, coerced by pimps, and then you saying it is better to use a strangers kid for sex... as long as you aren't using your own...

Truly flabbergasting [8|]
Eh? I wasn't talking about teenagers, or underage prostitutes, I was talking about a hypothetically decriminalized prostitute, which solution I consider a better alternative to the proposed solution I was addressing there, which was to arrest the Johns.

To avoid confusion I'll rephrase: there have been exactly Two solutions proposed here, either legalize prostitution or crack down on Johns - if there are adult women (or men) available, then there is far less incentive to violate someones rights, no?

If there is no legal alternative, then people will choose the illegal one, and in for a penny, in for a pound, once having broken the law, it often makes very little difference if you compound it, you've already crossed the line. It works just exactly like the drug trade: if they can give you 20 years for dealing ganj, you might as well move horse 'cause the risk is the same, but the profit margins are much higher.

Absolutely, there are always going to be men who will deliberately seek out underage girls, but the current situation feeds that because it's easier to coerce underage girls, as more become available, prices fall, supply and demand, increasing demand for more girls, i.e., as prices fall, volume increases, more girls are coerced, etc., etc.

All the Johns know is, "there's a girl that will fuck all of us for $100" nobody asks a pro for her ID. A.) you cannot tell a human trafficking victim from a consensual prostitute by looking at them, B.) you pay for sex, not to hear her life story, that's the business, and she wouldn't tell you if you asked.

If they are underaged, prosecute 'em, by all means, what I'm saying is that most of these guys just want some crazy sex, and they're going to get it however they can. Back in the 80's it was all coke sluts and date rape, girls would anything for a couple of lines, you could get roofies anywhere.

I'm not that lame, I got game, believe it or not, but I worked in bars and shit, I knew what was going down, those were the times.

You know, guys who hit the pros don't go taxi driver all that often, they want a date, and it's nice to dream but it's been going on for Thousands of years, all over the world, it isn't going to just magically change overnight, you're gonna have to come up with practical solutions, not wishful thinking.

And when it comes to that, why do women need drugs and alcohols to lower their inhibitions? Wouldn't be because they've had those inhibitions beaten into their heads to begin with?

Get rid of the inhibitions, nobody needs drugs or alcohol - teenagers in monogamous sexual relationships have dramatically lower incidence of other at risk behaviors, drug and alcohol abuse, unprotected sex, promiscuity, etc., it's a fact.



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:32:11 PM)

I think the trouble is in how you phrased that post I quoted, it did not come across very well, and I think this is why you got so much flack over it



xssve -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:38:15 PM)

I can tell you it's going to go from bad to worse, it's an economic thing: desperate times make desperate people.



Marini -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:20:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xssve

I can tell you it's going to go from bad to worse, it's an economic thing: desperate times make desperate people.


No doubt, there are too many people {men and women} ready, willing and able to take advantage of desperate people and desperate times.



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:23:55 PM)

Not to mention when non profit organizations that used to help kids get off the street lose their funding, it makes it increasingly hard for teens to escape their pimps... less cops on the beat means more unbridled exploitation of girls and boys who have no where else to go, and no legal means by which to find work, if there were jobs available to begin with



tweakabelle -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:38:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xssve

I can tell you it's going to go from bad to worse, it's an economic thing: desperate times make desperate people.

Indeed.

I can't say I'm convinced by the alleged economic origins though - Neanderthals ceased being desperate when they became extinct many millennia ago. Nonetheless, I can understand your sense of desperation. Many people mistakenly feel that resistance to change is natural.

The good news is that it's a malady that some concentrated informed thinking by an open mind will cure .....

You’ll probably find it saves an awful lot of time if you accept that a need doesn’t equate to an entitlement in this area, and that this ‘need’ is neither paramount over the rights or humanity of others, nor mandated by biology. Whether by accident or design, that is the underlying position conveyed by your posts to me.



BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:45:32 PM)

The difference as I see it is this../A big difference between SS and traffican..many of their own accord seek to enter this arrangment...Its the pimps. Russian mob and the mob in us that are picking theses young kids up off our streets.Even here in small town USA, we see both  m/f working our Small town streets.B



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