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So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 8:40:38 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Certainly everyone agrees we face financial challenges, even as people disagree about the specifics and the causes.

What I see is a lot of hand-wringing. Let's get out of that. What are your solutions?

Please--I don't mean vague "do something about those sonnabitches" rants, nor do I mean things that just aren't feasible, whether physically or politically at this point. I mean from where we actually are, practical steps toward solutions. Things we can actually do, that will actually address the challenges.

What's your plan?

[Btw--if you feel it's hopeless, please don't post at all. Start a "why it's hopeless" thread. Thank you.]

Let's get started.
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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 8:49:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you asking about actions for one's personal well being, or national/global?

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 8:50:23 AM   
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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 8:57:02 AM   
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Are you asking about actions for one's personal well being, or national/global?

Oh, good question.

I mean as a society. I meant nationally, but of course, we're connected globally, except for the isolationists' beliefs.

Personally we'd all be doing different things, as we're all in different situations, but to the degree that personal actions apply broadly, that would also contribute to a societal solution.

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:00:19 AM   
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I am betting debt/deficit.

Yes, but also unemployment, social security, health care, and tight credit (not the appropriately tight credit for those not qualifying, but the tight credit for credit worthy consumers and business that just isn't flowing as it should/could).

Or other financial challenges perceived.

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:02:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about we start with some of the high dollar defense projects that the Pentagon doesn't even want like the alternate engine for the fighter everyone was trying to kill.  Oh wait that was everyone but the Congress person with the state they were building them in.

There is the catch everyone had a reason for wanting to keep their pet in the budget.


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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:04:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Given our form of government, and that I have no desire to take a cut in pay to run for office, all I can do is support representatives that will best represent the actions needed to get the ship back on course. Financial discipline, creating a more favorable business environment, and a rational energy policy.

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:05:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		So propose a solution, fl. We know the problem.

Those are the ground rules for this thread, please.

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:06:07 AM   
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Financial discipline, creating a more favorable business environment, and a rational energy policy.


Thanks. Specifically how?

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:10:00 AM   
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How about we start with some of the high dollar defense projects that the Pentagon doesn't even want like the alternate engine for the fighter everyone was trying to kill. 


There you.  A first step kinda thing,

Now if your asking for a working formula that keeps the gaggle of congress from cutting deals to protect the pet projects in their district.  Short of water boarding them I've got nothing


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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:11:11 AM   
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Given our form of government, and that I have no desire to take a cut in pay to run for office, all I can do is support representatives that will best represent the actions needed to get the ship back on course. Financial discipline, creating a more favorable business environment, and a rational energy policy.

Do they exist any more or are they all just a bunch of paid whores for whatever special interest bankrolled them?

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:13:25 AM   
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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:15:30 AM   
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How about we start with some of the high dollar defense projects that the Pentagon doesn't even want like the alternate engine for the fighter everyone was trying to kill. 


There you.  A first step kinda thing,

Now if your asking for a working formula that keeps the gaggle of congress from cutting deals to protect the pet projects in their district.  Short of water boarding them I've got nothing


OK. So they cut deals to benefit their constituents. Or for the cynical, at least some of their constituents. No crime there.

So how do you get people (including constituents) to think more nationally in pursuit of their interests?

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:29:24 AM   
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I would suggest term limits then maybe we can do what is best rather than what keeps them elected for 20 years.


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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:31:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, how about giving the Pentagon authority to ax unnecessary projects?

Perhaps even encourage it by letting them keep a percentage of axed funds to spend on alternative projects.



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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:33:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think we need to be investing in massive infrastructure projects that will generate jobs. I am thinking bullet trains that can connect our major cities with one another is a good place to start.


That is only one measure...

I also think we do need to cut spending, and the only feasible place to do so is with regard to military spending. It is our largest ticket item, after all.

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:51:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like it, especially combined with fl's point about cutting what the Pentagon doesn't even want.

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 9:53:09 AM   
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Financial discipline, creating a more favorable business environment, and a rational energy policy.


Thanks. Specifically how?


Im not sure what youre asking..specific policies? The ones that have been debated (and I use the term loosely) here endlessly is a good start.

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 10:21:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, for me, fiscal discipline would include cutting the Pentagon excess as above, investing in infrastructure, adjusting social security and medicaid/medicare to help current cash flow. Those are the three largest budget items anyway. The business climate needs primarily to get credit moving. Sorting out the rest of the banking asset mess is probably the only real way in the long run. A rational energy policy would include conservation, as having oil assets long term serves us best, along with investing in alternative energies with an eye toward long term financial viability. We can build homes now that severely cut fuel and electric needs. Realistic alternative transportation would help too (that's harder in a large, spread out country, but still can be addressed, and serves business needs too).

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RE: So what's your plan? - 5/20/2011 10:28:34 AM   
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Well, for me, fiscal discipline would include cutting the Pentagon excess as above, investing in infrastructure, adjusting social security and medicaid/medicare to help current cash flow. Those are the three largest budget items anyway. The business climate needs primarily to get credit moving. Sorting out the rest of the banking asset mess is probably the only real way in the long run. A rational energy policy would include conservation, as having oil assets long term serves us best, along with investing in alternative energies with an eye toward long term financial viability. We can build homes now that severely cut fuel and electric needs. Realistic alternative transportation would help too (that's harder in a large, spread out country, but still can be addressed, and serves business needs too).


Defense waste, absolutely
Investing in infrastructure...no, thats the private sectors' job
Adjusting SS and Medicare...yes, but current cash flow of those systems isnt a problem. If you mean adjusting them so you can divert funding for them to other purposes, no, unless the sole purpose is paying down the debt.
Getting credit moving is simple, get the government out of the way of profitability
Conservation..absolutely
Investing in alternative energies...no, thats the private sectors' job
If specific Alternative transportation is realistic then the private sector will do it. Eg. boondoggles like high speed rail that wont be self supporting is not realistic.

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