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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/25/2011 7:23:52 AM

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I know from my own experience that my diet and exercise do affect my body and health immensely as well as my emotional well being, self esteem and sexuality. Besides, if you are too fat they make you buy 2 seats when you fly.

Sure some people can smoke cigs or cigars and live to be 100 and never get lung cancer, but imo they are the exception and not the rule.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/25/2011 7:29:30 AM

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OK- just to be a contrarian- anybody wanna explain the Eskimo's diet and how those folks aren't keeling over from heart disease by age 35? Essentially no vegetables, very high fat-no grains either...

Here is part of your answer

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A key difference in the typical Nunavik Inuit’s diet is that more than 50 percent of the calories in Inuit native foods come from fats. Much more important, the fats come from wild animals.

Wild-animal fats are different from both farm-animal fats and processed fats, says Dewailly. Farm animals, cooped up and stuffed with agricultural grains (carbohydrates) typically have lots of solid, highly saturated fat. Much of our processed food is also riddled with solid fats, or so-called trans fats, such as the reengineered vegetable oils and shortenings cached in baked goods and snacks. “A lot of the packaged food on supermarket shelves contains them. So do commercial french fries,” Dewailly adds.

http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox/article_view?b_start:int=2&-C=

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/25/2011 7:39:56 AM

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Hence my comment that "OFTEN" certain changes make a huge difference...

I've been in close proximity of people who had heart surgeries and seen more studies about the results and changes the diets made than I care to remember (a PhD student was a lot cheaper than using a language secretary or a translator, so tons of that went over my desk), off the top of my head, with drugs about 50% of the people with stents had dramatic plague build up, the groups who had changes in their diet, about 5 to 10% had plague build up, but that tended to be less dramatic than the group on medication. The cardiologists were aware of that fact, but it never gained massive publicity, because of the vetted interest of the pharmaceutical industry to peddle their products...

In a lot of cases medication is required, but in far more cases a simple - sometimes drastic - change in your life-style can help. In case you're clinically obese and eat a lot of junk food (saturated fats, salts, etc.), possibly even smoke, it would make more sense to change your life-style dramatically instead of demanding the magic pill that will lower your cholesterol levels, so you can live a bit longer and ruin your joints and need joint replacement as well...

One of the problems seems to be that docs have an alotted 5 to 10 minutes for patients and it's much easier to just keep them quiet with a prescription than trying to convince them that they should try something that might be uncomfortable for them. If the life-style change doesn't bring the desired results, bring on the medication, but it would make a lot more sense to give that a try first.

People know exactly what they should do to be healthy, many choose not to. Doctors know this and so many patients come in and want a magic pill. Its hard work to be healthy and resist temptation and not be physically lazy, its so much easier to pop a few pills so that is what a lot of people want and tell the Doc to give that to them. I watched Oprah with Dr Oz once and he had an obese smoker on the operating table, they showed the operation on tv. She died for a few seconds, but was revived and lived. But she will not live long if she does not change her lifestyle dramatically. Imo she wont change tho and she will die prematurely, drugs or no drugs.
My mother always said "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink". That goes for people too.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/25/2011 7:53:42 AM

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tf444, a friend of mine suffers from high cholesterol and high BP, he's skinny as hell and a lot of it is due to genetics, the docs didn't even ask him to change the life-style, they handed him pills... Now talking to a friend who happens to be an MD, he suggested to leave out all beer, have an occasional glass of wine, preferably red, start the day with oats, make sure he's using non-saturated oils and to take a lot of garlic and cut down on smoking as the pills carry a massive risk for his liver (can lead to fatty liver). He decided to give it a try, went back for his check-up, much much better readings, the doc told him the pills work, he said "Actually, I didn't take them, I changed my diet..." It would have been worth to look into the issue first, his readings are still not ideal but they reduced the dose now dramatically as he doesn't need that much... I found it quite irresponsible that they didn't tell him about oats, garlic and all the rest and what he should avoid in his diet...

Sam, well, the Brits and the Americans have this tendency for fried junk food, which might be the reason why the US is the world leader concerning obesity and why the UK is leading in Europe. Olive oil instead of lard can make a massive difference to your arteries and eating fresh food instead of microwave dinners as well... Also overeating seems to be seriously popular in both countries, you don't see such huge portions in any other countries. If you look at the French and Italians, they celebrate food, they sit down and it's a very social event, there are lots of different dishes, you try a bit of this, then a bit of that, you have tons of vegetables and salads, you don't just eat a huge chunk of meat that is fried with a glob of starch and drench is in mayo or a fatty sauce... It's a different food culture and it becomes obvious in the sizes of people. In most European countries I'm a size M, in the UK I'm a size S, in the US I'm XS - and nope, I don't change size after a few hours on a plane...

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/25/2011 8:17:31 AM

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tf444, a friend of mine suffers from high cholesterol and high BP, he's skinny as hell and a lot of it is due to genetics, the docs didn't even ask him to change the life-style, they handed him pills... Now talking to a friend who happens to be an MD, he suggested to leave out all beer, have an occasional glass of wine, preferably red, start the day with oats, make sure he's using non-saturated oils and to take a lot of garlic and cut down on smoking as the pills carry a massive risk for his liver (can lead to fatty liver). He decided to give it a try, went back for his check-up, much much better readings, the doc told him the pills work, he said "Actually, I didn't take them, I changed my diet..." It would have been worth to look into the issue first, his readings are still not ideal but they reduced the dose now dramatically as he doesn't need that much... I found it quite irresponsible that they didn't tell him about oats, garlic and all the rest and what he should avoid in his diet...

I think Doctors can get lazy too, having so many people always asking for pills I would expect they just expect everyone to want that. And so many Docs see too many people, they are rushed and dont spend the time needed to find these things out. The friend MD obviously had the time to get into deeper discussion of your friends diet and lifestyle and perhaps he was more the kind of Doc that relies less on pills. Yes, there are some irresponsible Docs out there or they wouldnt need liability insurance. Yes, there are exceptions like your friend, most people tho, its a lifestyle choice and not genetics.

I did something similar to your friend, i paid $200 for a prescription but then I found out about some of the non-disclosed possible side effects and threw them out. Imo, no one will look out for your health like you do and its up to each person to do their own research and due dilligence, to try different things to see what works for them and to change their lifestyle for the better. And to keep learning as new studies and research is always giving us new directions to possibly improve.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/25/2011 9:01:21 PM

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Somehow this has gotten into carcinogens and stuff. There were clogged arteries thousands of years ago. Now if you live on bacon and cake, you are probably headed for trouble. Back then if you lived on bacon and cake, you were probably in trouble. High blood pressure might be caused by too much sodium, but also a sodium deficiency. Low blood pressure is also bad. Too much calcium can make for problems, too little calcium can do the same.

What we need is a balance. As far as foods go there is probably very little that is completely good or completely bad. And nobody ever said that cancer or heart disease didn't exist thousands of years ago. What's more dealing with a mummy doesn't prove much. Clogged arteries ? maybe something crawled up in there. But then, did anyone say an unhealthy diet was impossible back then ? They had grease and probably sugar, plenty of other things I bet. And then those who were mummified were usually upper class, royalty and such. Those people can be eccentric, weird in fact.

I like to find things out about diet and how it relates to aging and disease, and I know it does. However to get accurate data is almost impossible. I've told a couple of people over the years to take a week or two and write down EVERYTHING they eat, drink, snort, smoke or otherwise ingest. It's hard to do. What's more there is no mention of possible other things unknown, like deisel exhaust, burning fires which contain who knows what and so forth. The subject quickly becomes too complex.

Even in an institutional environment, you still can't get the right data. So just being out and about not only impedes getting the whole picture, but a myriad of unknown variables still exist.

However if you want to speak in more general terms, you might get somewhere. That gets pretty general because I'm sure many have examples of someone who never smoked and died of lung cancer in his 50s (I do) and also someone who lives to be 90 smoking Camel straights and drinking scotch every day. The two bodies are different, but what built those bodies ? You really are what you eat, because when you were born you weighed what, eight, ten pounds ? Subtract your birth weight and you literally have the weight of everything that "stuck to your ribs". Every cell in your body came from what you ate and that means your immune system as well.

So now for accurate data we need to go all the way back to your zeroeth birthday. Fat chance.

But in no way does that mean forget about it. I haven't seen my "other" neighbors in some time. He was out unloading the car of cases and cases of soda. I grabbed some and did a couple of trips. Once in, his olady is on a sofabed in the livingroom. She can barely walk. Her legs are wrapped about halfway up. He can walk but for some reason his legs are wrapped as well. What do they have in common ? Apparently that soda.

Of course it's not that simplistic. But I also don't think it's as complex as some make it out to be. If you cough, you think about what you breathe, if you get nauseous you think about what you ate. Now if we take that simple notion and try to consider more variables, the big ones, maybe we can make something out of it. Maybe not all the answers, but some.

If you adopted a strict diet of Mallow Cups and creme soda, how do you think your health would be affected ? This is not rocket science. But some people don't see it that way. They are ruled by their sweet tooth or whatever. They don't have it put together in their minds.

Maybe some didn't in the past.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 7:25:57 AM

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NYTimes article came up with another piece of the puzzle- looking at workplace lack of activity and pointing out that the missing 100-150 calories/day is what's lead to our weight gain over the past 5 decades. While junk food and too much TV have contributed, the lack of exercise in the workplace is also a big part of the problem.

See here: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/less-active-at-work-americans-have-packed-on-pounds/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 7:48:48 AM

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However if you want to speak in more general terms, you might get somewhere. That gets pretty general because I'm sure many have examples of someone who never smoked and died of lung cancer in his 50s (I do) and also someone who lives to be 90 smoking Camel straights and drinking scotch every day.

2 words: Keith Richards....

As for weight gain, unless there is a medical reason, if you eat more than you burn, you gain weight, simple as that, solution: get off your butt and exercise or move more, take the stairs instead of the lift, etc.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 7:51:49 AM

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Charles Poloquin and Paul Chek are two of the best health and nutrition coaches in the world, it's truly worth reading their ideas.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 8:55:32 AM

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It looks like an all natural diet may not be the best thing for you either...

True, but then how do you explain that people who got stents have a massive plague build up despite being put on medication, yet people who change their diet and cut out animal fats and go on a more vegetarian diet have dramatically less plague build up, even without taking medication...

Certain foods are known to lower cholesterol (oats, garlic, etc.), often changing eating habits can make much more of a difference than just popping pills, it's just a lot of people don't want to change their life-style at all and think that taking pills and all that is the easy solution, without realizing that they all have side effects...

If you're not excercising you would have a massive plaque build up.
A brisk walk for 30 minutes a day will lower your cholesterol, blood pressure, and help you lose weight.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 9:35:23 AM

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If you're not excercising you would have a massive plaque build up.
A brisk walk for 30 minutes a day will lower your cholesterol, blood pressure, and help you lose weight.

Doesn't work for everybody, as I explained earlier, the friend who suffers from high cholesterol and BP is physically active, he'd laugh about a 30 minute walk, he's doing a lot of physical exercise on a daily basis, you try to tell somebody who runs marathons that he should walk for 30 minutes, it's genetic and part of the problem can be solved by working on what he eats, he still requires medication but with the right food, he gets away with a lower dose of the meds.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 9:41:21 AM

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NYTimes article came up with another piece of the puzzle- looking at workplace lack of activity and pointing out that the missing 100-150 calories/day is what's lead to our weight gain over the past 5 decades. While junk food and too much TV have contributed, the lack of exercise in the workplace is also a big part of the problem.

See here: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/less-active-at-work-americans-have-packed-on-pounds/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2

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There is an easy solution to that, replace normal desks with stand-up desks, people that use those burn more calories than people that sit.

Edited to add, if you really want to go crazy then put a treadmill under your stand up desk and walk as you work. I saw that in some article I read and thought that was a cool idea.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 9:50:12 AM

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2 words: Keith Richards....

Hmmm, while technically he is alive... he doesnt look it.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 11:49:25 AM

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I am considered morbidly obese but I tend to eat a pretty healthy diet, for the most part. I try to eat only natural fresh foods & avoid fast food & processed foods. I prefer my own cooking over going out to eat. However I have great genetics from my Father's side. I do so enjoy the look on a new Dr's face when they read the results of my fasting blood tests. The first time this happened, the Dr looked at the results & did a double-take, frowning. I thought something was desperately out of whack & asked what was wrong. She said, "You have the cholesterol level of a tri-athlete!"

So for me it's the genetics, along with the diet. This is also true for my brother-in-law who has about 6% body fat & has exceedingly high cholesterol level. I have a friend who used to say that he could eat anything he wanted because he worked out & looked extremely healthy. He had a quadruple cardiac bypass at the age of 41 & now has Stage 4 Congestive Heart Failure. This is not to say that I am not at risk for heart disease due to my obesity, it just means that one's outside appearance doesn't tell the full story about what's going on inside.

And risk factors are just that: factors that may or may not lead to disease.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 1:47:47 PM

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Hmmm, while technically he is alive... he doesnt look it.

OK, as a thoroughly takei girl, I obviously have a very different idea of what is an attractive male, but I find him irresistibly attractive for some reason. He's not handsome, he's actually very ugly, but I'm drawn to his pictures, I stare at them. He doesn't turn me on, but its like he's a magnet and my eyes are iron shavings. Maybe its because its all there to see on his face, every night of debauchery is etched there. Its like the history of the last half century is on display on his face.

I also think he's a really good singer, I love his voice.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 1:55:53 PM

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To be honest, I think he's a great deal more attractive than rubber lips Brenda

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 3:21:54 PM

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Hmmm, while technically he is alive... he doesnt look it.
OK, as a thoroughly takei girl, I obviously have a very different idea of what is an attractive male, but I find him irresistibly attractive for some reason. He's not handsome, he's actually very ugly, but I'm drawn to his pictures, I stare at them. He doesn't turn me on, but its like he's a magnet and my eyes are iron shavings. Maybe its because its all there to see on his face, every night of debauchery is etched there. Its like the history of the last half century is on display on his face.

I also think he's a really good singer, I love his voice.

Oh hell yeah!!! I agree with this 1000%.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 3:37:48 PM

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I've read a theory that once farming was invented vs foraging (hunter-gathering) that was the start of arterial plaque.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 4:39:13 PM

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Whether we like it or not, we are dying from the day we are born, each day as we get older we are nearer to our natural death whenever that may be, for no one can tell the future, even the medics.

But of food, I tend to stick to D'adamos theories regarding blood groups, which I also modified in line with the Indian ayurvedic system and found D'adamos stuff not far off the mark regarding my type. But those theories just happen to coincide with my financial situation, so I am largely vegetarian and that because I will not eat red meat that is not organic 100 %, as the red meat one sees in supermarkets that looks red and fresh as though it was just killed is a red dye that is injected into the meat to fool the customer into thinking it is fresh when the reality is, the beast might have been killed weeks ago. If I eat meat, then mostly it is oily fish or poultry, as befits my financial situation.

Furthermore, medical knowledge suggests due to the length of our digestional tract, longer than a cow, we are in fact meant to be vegetarian, as carnivores have a short digestional tract, they eat,digest and dump faster than us, why my bloody cat is always hanging around her food bowl mewing for more food. If meat carries diseases and we are ingesting it and it is sitting in our bodies for so long, I wonder, could many of the diseases we get be attributed to meat consumption.

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RE: Think what you eat is killing you? - 5/26/2011 4:47:45 PM

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"I've read a theory that once farming was invented vs foraging (hunter-gathering) that was the start of arterial plaque."

That is true, but it has gotten alot worse. The nutritional quality of foods varies greatly based on the soil in which they're grown.

It is so true that now those grain fed cattle and such have to be given mineral supplements. They have to fertilize the soil or the plants won't grow. The plants are fertilized with what plants need, not the cattle, and not the people.

A storm can cause an ocean to flood the land. This is nature's way of replenishing it, and it is fertilized completely. Keep growing things on the same land too long it's obvious what happens. Look after a flood, in a few years it is very rich soil. There is no reason to think that land in the past could not become depleted, but I think now because of world population the problem is exaserbated.

And it's not so much those "greedy nasty corporations" responsible for this. It is economically impossible to completely fertilize played out land. A bag of beans would cost ten bucks. But they have a solution for the livestock in the form of mineral supplements. This can also work for people but it's not as easy as it sounds. We need them in a certain combination, 24 are recognized as essential but nobody says anything more. Now that IS because of the "nasty greedy corporations".

Remember, overweight people are malnourished. Even a hormonal imbalance can be caused by the same thing. I still say that most diseases are caused by malnutrition. That's why some people die of things that would not kill others. We all have slightly different needs as well as much more different absorption and metabolisation rates.

Some mineral supplements can have unpleasant effects. That is because they are out of balance. Put it this way, if you get plenty of calcium but are deficient in magnesium, manganese and/or a few others, you get kidney or gall stones. You will also notice some osteoporosis, which by the way is related to dental health because teeth are bones. The calcium stones are supposed to be in your bones. Sugar does not eat your teeth from the outside, it does so from the inside. That's by changing your metabolism to waste these essential nutrients.

When animals start trying to eat rocks, fenceposts and stuff, that's called cribbing. They found out a long time ago that mineral supplements can take care of this. In the old days it was in the form of a salt lick, but that was unrefined salt. Don't get me started on salt. They also used to throw fish heads and all that on the soil to replenish it, in fact I know someone who grows, and the very best fertilizer says right on it "FROM : FISH".

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