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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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Like I have said before, building settlements while supposedly negotiating peace is what we call "bad faith negotiations". It shows what Israel's true intent is. It shows that they say they want peace, but they are LYING. You do not put civilians in a settlement unless you want to stay there.

How long ago was the last settlement built? I'm curious about that.

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The second issue, is the Palestinian "right of return", which the Palestinians would have to give up on, since taking in millions of Arabs into Israel, would be effectively the end of Israel and you can't very well expect a country to sign it's own death sentence. it kind of negates the point of signing a peace treaty. the most the Palestinians would get, is some sort of monetary compensation.

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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) article 13 states that "[e]veryone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." (emphasis added). There is disagreement as to what this actually means in practice as well as whether country refers to a state or a specific area of land. In addition, the change from State to country from the first sentence to the second clouds the issue.
Much of the controversy surrounding such a right, however, derives from disagreement surrounding what in UDHR article 13 is referred to as "his own". Because many countries are nation states predicated on the right to national self-determination, such countries often identify a special link between them and persons identified with the nation, or people, whose self-determination that country enables. National laws implementing a "right of return" tend to be predicated on that link. Because they give people of a certain background preferential immigration, however, such laws are controversial, especially where they are perceived to be at the expense of other people who want to immigrate or return.

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Has anyone proposed adequate compensation in lieu of this 'right' perhaps payed to the new Palestinian nation for development purposes?

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They do not only want to keep the Palestinians from returning to their lands in Israel, they fear them going to Palestinian territory, too.

There is photographic evidence of the Palestinian diaspora... the Israelis know that there is a case for some Palestinians having the right of return. I do not think that they should be forced to take payment for not exercising the right to return

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
I just want to know if compensation has or will be proposed?

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ORIGINAL: PROMINENTtool
The issue of compensation instead of the right of return, has been suggested in every Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, since 1991.

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there was no last. they're building them now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/world/middleeast/23settle.html

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The second issue, is the Palestinian "right of return", which the Palestinians would have to give up on, since taking in millions of Arabs into Israel, would be effectively the end of Israel and you can't very well expect a country to sign it's own death sentence. it kind of negates the point of signing a peace treaty. the most the Palestinians would get, is some sort of monetary compensation.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
From WOTF's link:
"Saudi Arabia, the United States, and Israel have recently held secret talks to formulate a new diplomatic-financial initiative aimed at resolving the Palestinian refugee problem, by offering compensation to those willing to stay in their countries of residence."

This report appears to referring to a plan that was at discussion stage only. Whether this matter has ever been agreed in negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians is unclear to me. I haven't seen that reported.

Compensation has never been offered to the refugees themselves. In the only poll I have ever seen on the subject, something like 90% of Palestinians preferred cash compensation to exercising their right of return to their homes in Israel. That poll was held in 2003 IIRC.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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The second issue, is the Palestinian "right of return", which the Palestinians would have to give up on, since taking in millions of Arabs into Israel, would be effectively the end of Israel and you can't very well expect a country to sign it's own death sentence. it kind of negates the point of signing a peace treaty. the most the Palestinians would get, is some sort of monetary compensation.

Whoever said they would have to give up on it,the Israelis? For does it not occur that if Israel housed both Jewish and Palestinian peoples,any attack by others outside might have the effect that outside attack might be curtailed for fear of killing their own people, a human shield if you like, but those Palestinian people who have the right of return, might just be the thing, if they were to be given equal status as people, not their ethnicity or belief, as anything else just adds fuel to the fact that Israel is a racist state that forget their history all too easily.

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ORIGINAL: PROMINENTtool

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Has anyone proposed adequate compensation in lieu of this 'right' perhaps payed to the new Palestinian nation for development purposes?

The issue had been brought up a number of times, however, in my opinion, they should get nothing.

for starters. a similar number of Jews living in Arab countries, were persecuted and forced to leave with nothing but a suitcase, while many of them were quite wealthy. however, Israel absorbed these people, while the Arabs treat the Palestinians who fled to their countries, as second class "citizens", limiting many of their rights, so they will not settle in and continue to hold the dream of returning to their homeland, despite the fact that there are already 4th generation Palestinians, which are still considered as refugees, which is another problem, i'll return to later.

So, what we had here, is an exchange of populations, where one sided accepted their refugees and the other side treats them like dirt and useses them as a battering ram.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
The right to return to one's home (or ancestral home) is a right. It is a right that underpins the existence of Israel - the right of return of Jewish people, many of who have had no physical connection with the land for centuries, to return to their homeland. Rights are not subject to a statute of limitations. (Otherwise those 'returned' Jews would have lost their right to return centuries ago)

Rights are the same for all people - Israeli Palestinian you and me. Palestinian refugee rights cannot be 'swapped' for the rights of Jews said to be expelled from Arab countries. Palestinian rights exist until they are exercised or surrendered independently of everything else. Just as you and I have a right to inhabit our homelands independently of all other factors, inalienably. Those aggrieved Jews have claims against the countries that expelled them, not the Palestinian people. It is a bizarre claim to hold the Palestinians accountable for the actions of say, Tunisians or Iraqis.

To me it seems impossible to form opinions such as those advanced above if one values the rights of all people equally. To form such views, one must place a lesser value on Palestinian rights than one places on the rights of others. To argue it is an "exchange of populations" issue extinguishes Palestinian rights without consent or even reference to the right holders. I'm sure the writer would never accept that in relation to their own rights nor would I accept that in relation to mine. Clearly Palestinian rights are given a lesser value.

In the same vein, to treat all Arabs as one collective unit is to consider them on purely racial grounds. It ignores the fact that there are many diverse Arab nationalities. Australians, Germans and Canadians are all members of the same racial group - Caucasian - but no one would dare suggest they are responsible for each others' welfare. Such a proposal would be dismissed as preposterous. Yet we are being asked to consider it seriously in the case of Arabs.

So, we are left with a seriously flawed proposal to extinguish Palestinian rights to the benefit of a nation populated to a significant extent through the exercise of the exact same rights denied to Palestinians .......

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As i've stated in my previous post, yes.
The issue of compensation instead of the right of return, has been suggested in every Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, since 1991.