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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 1:35:20 PM   
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We are all of us, flawed, in some way or the other. If it isn't on the outside, it's on the inside, and often, the flaws can be found either place.
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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 1:39:42 PM   
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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 2:07:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

I wanted to add this quote from a magazine article about John Elder Robison:

In Look Me in the Eye, Robison described why he felt more comfortable around machines than people: “No matter how big the machine, I am in charge. Machines don’t talk back. They are predictable. They don’t trick me, and they’re never mean. I have a lot of trouble reading other people. I am not very good at looking at people and knowing whether they like me, or they’re mad, or they’re just waiting for me to say something. I don’t have problems like that with machines.”
One day, a longtime friend who was also a therapist handed him a copy of Tony Attwood’s Asperger Syndrome and said, “This book describes you exactly. You could be the poster boy for this condition.” Robison was skeptical only for the few moments it took him to glance through the pages and realize that his friend was right. Robison asked him if there was a cure.
“It’s not a disease. It doesn’t need curing,” his friend replied. “It’s just how you are.”


Oops, me too, machines are my thing, and especially restoring old machines. Right now I have a 75 hp outboard motor in my bathroom getting a repaint and part of a 1962 marinized BMC diesel in my living room getting painted in mowog green, (if I could haul the whole thing in here I would as the machine definately needs a stripping to check the bearings and cylinders or at least a decarbonize, as only last year I restored a motorcycle in my living room). The rest of the motor is in an ex admiralty pinnace I am helping to restore, a new venture for me, marine systems, but I find I need constant input via challenges, so I can appear quite fadish, but in my fads, I am learning and absorbing information all the time. I can also repair all manner of machines and many electrical appliances, oh and I do not discard anything until I have totally exhausted all possibilities for repair. I seem to need constant input of mechanical information, and even a password on a forum I use, is the engine number of a 1955 sidevalve engine I used to own twenty years ago, and a chassis number for another forum password, I remember obscure information like that, but forget what happened yesterday.

You see, aspies although with difficulty in the communication area of life like to please and it is said aspies can never be leaders, so as far as BDSM is concerned, aspies make perfect subs and since I have done the sub bit, I have found I am totally comfortable in that role, it appears natural and the person I sub for has commented that they have never had it so good,( I massage well, but have never taken courses, when asked how I do so well, my answer is I project myself into the receiver and feel where I would like attention) ,which I take as them just being nice, but perhaps there is something in it, for the communication aspect is if misunderstood adds to the fun. But as a sub, the attention one so desperately wants but cannot communicate in more nilla circumstances is overcome.

I know where I might find what I desire, it is in the BDSM world, but my problem is to get to that world one has to do the preliminaries first and that is the problem, do I admit up front that I am aspie or leave others to find out for themselves ? Admittedly, I am totally honest if a little harsh sometimes, but it is my nature to be honest and I would prefer to be upfront as I do not wish to repeat past mistakes and lead someone else into a situation they may regret through not knowing. I in that wish to find an other who accepts me as who I am and what I am, not what they would like me to be, as in my past marriage, my ex always said although I was not perfect, she thought she could change me.

Edited to add, my ex said she suspected me to be aspie and knowing of my difficulties in my work, she contacted my employer unknown to me and said what she believed I was, the first I knew of it was my employer giving me grief for not saying such on my application for the job, to which I replied as far as I am concerned, I am totally normal until a professional diagnosis is made. In that job, like many jobs before it, I was aware I was disliked, but in that job, I created an extra £150k per annum profit on ideas I tried but did not run them by the boss first, my experiments in customer service, customers they lost when they refused to give me a pay rise after five years of the same pay and 150k per annum unexpected profit, the company folded six months after I quit and took my customer base with me.

When I was finally informed by my ex that she believed I was an aspie, I gathered the funds to get a diagnosis and announced my desire to which I was told, cool do it, but don't expect my wife to be there when I come back, for she does not want to be married to a loony. This told me the marriage vows I had so struggled to understand and implement meant nothing, the sickness and in health aspect, furthermore in her response to my desire to know one way or another, she was indicating I was mad because she in her unqualified capacity said I was and that was that, which I now understand to be a form of bullying and control. Dominant is ok, I can accept that, but domineering is something different I will avoid in future, as all it does is bring back negative memories.

So on here, the thought is on my profile to admit my diagnosis, but I resist and that because of the reason for this topic and the fact that I believe some might think I am seeking special considerations because I have what is in the UK called a learning difficulty.The other reason is I believe I have discerned that there are a lot of needy people on the other side, not needy in the fact that they need BDSM so much, but they need an other and if one is so needy, do they want a person who admits they have problems before they start ?

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 3:20:05 PM   
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I tend to wait until I've at least had a few emails & chats with a person before coming out to them as Aspie. As I said, so far, except for two, they have quietly disappeared. And I appreciate that because I didn't have time to really get to know them or care about them. And I forget about them soon after, as though they had never been in my world. But I'm also ambivalent as to whether I should put that on my profile. I'm getting closer to doing that, because like you say, I am so honest & upfront for the most part with people. And it would probably cut down on the number of people with expectations who contact me.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 3:43:28 PM   
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That is something many do not know or appreciate about aspies, they tend to be honest, often brutally so, but honest none the less and yes upfront, if we can gather the courage to be upfront, knowing that being upfront can be interpreted in many ways, not all of them positively, but that is the bluntness that an aspie can be. Me as with regards the obtuse, I have learned to guard my words, when I say something, it is carefully considered beforehand, as I have painful experiences of where my good intention has had an undesired result. Aspies also tend to learn by their mistakes, something tried and failed will not be tried again.

But before I consider my words to others, I tend to lose track in social conversation and with my college work at which I am failing the psych understanding is my mind ranges far ahead of the topic, which when it is time to go back, I have missed much of what has been said, as I have wandered off into my own world for a time.

My school reports always called that day dreaming, yet I excelled where others failed, which on occaision gave rise to accusations of cheating. As cheating is dishonesty, it is hard for an aspie to be dishonest and be believed, so why not just do what is easiest and do what is in front of you to the best of your abilities.

But from my experiences school,there were very few teachers who I actually remember as inspirational, the rest I believe deserve my contempt at bein the best thing to destroy a person before they have even started.


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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 7:31:59 PM   
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Max and I are both aspies.  After experiencing a relationship with another aspie, I don't think I could ever again have a full time romantic partner who was not an aspie.  He gets me on a level that no one else ever has.  Linnie has given you some good advice, so I won't much to it, except that you might want to consider specifically seeking out another aspie as your next partner.  That might not work for you, but then again, it might.

Oh, and there's an aspie group over at fetlife, if you're a member there.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 7:45:51 PM   
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They also have difficulties with social cues and interpersonal relationships as a result of missing the social cues. It's hard to feel connected to a person who literally does not notice when you're sad.


Which is NOT social anxiety as the OP states. An inability to know how to behave in social situations or to properly react to social cues and social anxiety are very different.

As DesFIP says it is difficult to connect with someone you always have to explain how you are feeling to, since they won't naturally be able to figure it out on their own.

ETA:

The recent influx of new diagnoses on the one hand, as I think Sunshine mentioned, helps with insurance coverage. On the other hand, it seems as though everyone is looking for something to excuse normal behavior. Not only is there simple Bi Polar disorder, but Bi Polar II and a host of little offshoots that essentially mean any mood swing can be diagnosed as something other than normal, and of course there is a pill to fix it. Not progress if you ask me.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 7:48:04 PM   
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I don't know where you get the idea that it takes a couple of years, but that's certainly not universal.
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To the OP: Nope, sorry. For pretty much the same reason as Syl. Both my son's are autistic spectrum, and I have enough to deal with that. No insult intended, but just like Syl, I want an escape from it in my partner, not more of the same.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 8:09:17 PM   
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They also have difficulties with social cues and interpersonal relationships as a result of missing the social cues. It's hard to feel connected to a person who literally does not notice when you're sad.


Which is NOT social anxiety as the OP states. An inability to know how to behave in social situations or to properly react to social cues and social anxiety are very different.

As DesFIP says it is difficult to connect with someone you always have to explain how you are feeling to, since they won't naturally be able to figure it out on their own.

ETA:

The recent influx of new diagnoses on the one hand, as I think Sunshine mentioned, helps with insurance coverage. On the other hand, it seems as though everyone is looking for something to excuse normal behavior. Not only is there simple Bi Polar disorder, but Bi Polar II and a host of little offshoots that essentially mean any mood swing can be diagnosed as something other than normal, and of course there is a pill to fix it. Not progress if you ask me.


It is social anxiety for where one knows they flunk at social situations that they must or should attend, the situation gives rise to anxiety.

As to all the new diagnosi to describe everyone who comes under the auspices of the profession that discerns these things, two things come to mind: firstly all the new diagnosi indicate that everyone is different, even people of the same race, colour, religion, nationality whatever, the old boundaries as they were used to differentiate people. So if everyone is different due to the way they think, we in order to live comfortably amongst our own kind even must accept the differences in people, the differences people cannot help just like the old boundaries.

Secondly, all the new diagnosi provides work for those who label and there can advise or even treat. But another thing comes to mind, all the differences in the way we think, perhaps the creator intended that, as the differences in thought process make for varied approaches to problems, thus enabling our kind to excel instead of flounder. To illustrate, think of a family unit or perhaps even a tribe in a far away place cut off from our world or indeed in the past, how would those differences in thought process manifest in such societies, given that each has different strenghts and weakness, surely the strength would find it's employment, as sense is one does what they are naturally good at.

Perhaps the problem is in our modern centralised society, we have simply lost our way, wheras the communities of the past who were dependant on each other used the skills available to them.


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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/26/2011 8:49:23 PM   
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Nope. In Trekkie terms, others like Data: give me Jean-Luc!
A friend, a sub, is married to one, and I just don't grok it. When we double-date and he pulls out a magazine to read at a fancy restaurant rather than talk to anyone, or argues aggressively and loudly with an expert at a social function, or says at their Jack and Jill bridal shower that getting married is a stupid custom, or decrees they can only travel to cities where he has family, my jaw just drops. Like wrangling a giant-toddler dom; other people may have that energy or co-dependency or honest self-sacrifice, and enjoy it: good for them!
I lovelove*LOVE* men who are empathetic, excel at picking up subtle cues, who are physically and socially graceful, and don't need constant orders and directions. It's very sexy to see a good man receive, and send, unspoken language, and who understand how others are feeling. Mmm, Jean-Luc!

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 6:04:23 AM   
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Well, don't feel so bad, Aneirin. I've got early PTSD issues due to my mother splitting when I was two, her place being taken by a real cunt of a stepmother who beat me (my father abused me physically as well) and gave me enemas; mild Autism; I test moderate for Aspergers, and I have a touch of borderline personality disorder. I basically had no nurturing from the age of two on.

My aunt used to joke that I'd either be a astronaut (I was reading at two) or a serial killer.

There's a whole lot more, of course, including running away, drugs, alcohol, acting out, and a few things that I am ashamed of and have no idea how to forgive myself for.

SOme shit you never get over, you just live with the agony best you can and suffer because you can't have the relationships others seem to have. What the fuck.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 6:50:51 AM   
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But as to my question,the title of this posting, given that more and more adults are being diagnosed with some degree of Asperger's syndrome these days, what does anyone actually know about Asperger's syndrome, for there are too many descriptions often conflicting on the net as it is, would anyone date an aspie if they knew they were aspies ?


Hell yes! I'm dating a person, not a diagnosis.

Every person is a universe, an entirety. We all contain histories, comedies, and tragedies. We are all brains blundering around in pretty packages. Some of the packages are prettier than others. I pay more attention to these packages than I should. So it goes. I digress.

But we're people, not diagnoses. The brain is a bloody fascinating mechanism (and at the end of the day, yes, I do believe it is a machine!) and clever scientists have made dizzying discoveries since the early 20th century that have opened up dazzling, vertiginous insights into how the brain works. At the end of the day, there remains something elusive and irreducible about what it is to be human and its easy to lose track of that when the inclination for those of us who are oh-so-modern tends to be to try to reduce everything to precise, clinical terms.

People with Asperger's Syndrome are human beings who are inclined, because of a combination of nature and nurture, to behave in certain ways. They are still people, still moral agents with free wills and the capacity for love. There are cases at the far end of the spectrum, of course, where people are (or seem to be, I prefer to live in an optimistic universe) incapable of any kind of empathy with others, incapable of showing or receiving love, incapable of dealing with even mild stress without being triggered into an explosive outburst. Would I get involved with someone like that? No. But it's backwards to say that in that case I am refusing to get involved with someone because they have Asperger's Syndrome. I wouldn't get involved because of personal qualities that they have that are, at least in part, explained by a diagnosis.

Do you see the difference? The only useful way for most of us to see other people is as individuals who make choices and have histories. There may be known, documented medical explanations for some inclinations that have made them the people they are. These may even be useful for us to understand when we deal with people we love (and people we don't!). But you make decisions about people based on how they act, not on how you have heard they might act based on a diagnosis they have received. I have known people who have been diagnosed (I don't doubt correctly) with Asperger's who are wonderful people even if they do show occasional spectrum-predicted behavior. And I've known some whom I have disliked as people because I find their behavior as human beings (some of which sadly probably was related to the syndrome) unbearable and insufferable.

We all play out our positions as well as we can. Just because someone has a certain brain condition it does not rob them of agency, it does not deprive them of Will, it does not strip them of the chance to live a full human existence which includes making the kinds of choices that maximize their happiness and the happiness of those around them. I do not see people as diagnoses!

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 11:54:32 AM   
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Well, don't feel so bad, Aneirin. I've got early PTSD issues due to my mother splitting when I was two, her place being taken by a real cunt of a stepmother who beat me (my father abused me physically as well) and gave me enemas; mild Autism; I test moderate for Aspergers, and I have a touch of borderline personality disorder. I basically had no nurturing from the age of two on.

My aunt used to joke that I'd either be a astronaut (I was reading at two) or a serial killer.

There's a whole lot more, of course, including running away, drugs, alcohol, acting out, and a few things that I am ashamed of and have no idea how to forgive myself for.

SOme shit you never get over, you just live with the agony best you can and suffer because you can't have the relationships others seem to have. What the fuck.



Hippie, yes you can have a relationship but it's yours, not "like other people's." Don't "compare", each relationship is exclusive!
You couldn't "put on the pants" of someone else's relationship and be happy or have it suit you could you?
No-one's relationship is like anyone else's.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 12:08:26 PM   
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But Tantriqu (and anyone else with a smiliar argument) that's just one person, on aspie, not all of them.  There are many manifestations of Aspergers, and not all of them are that severe.  People are shocked when I tell them I'm an aspie, because I love to chat and I have no trouble understanding other people's feeling in most situations.  I just come off as very shy - I won't usually start a conversation, but I'm more than happy to join in if someone else starts one, and I don't say inappropriate things.

I see some people here talking about not wanting to date an aspie because they have "enough to deal with already" or don't want a partner who is like their child.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions and preferences of course, but do you understand how insulting and hurtful that is?  I have known many other adult aspies who were more thoughtful, mature, capable, and sensitive than most of the general public that I have to deal with daily around here.  Because we learn to be that way.  Because we take the time to teach ourselves to be that way.  And those hard-earned lessons stay with us forever.

As I think I said recently to someone claiming that their douchery was due to a disability - being an aspie (or whatever) doesn't make you a douchebag.  Being a douchebag makes you a douchebag.  So if you know someone who is using their status as an aspie to excuse rude, insensitive, and immature behavior a lot of the time (not just once in a blue moon, but all the freakin' time) it's not their "disability" that's the problem, it's just them.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 12:33:37 PM   
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I adore you, little fox!!

I just added my aspie status to my profile. Because I realized that I was tired of wasting any time at all on folks who would just run as soon as they found out. I used to be afraid of ever telling anyone & so I would just keep it to myself. Another thing that's happened to me is that I am told that the reason that I think what someone's doing is weird or wrong is because I'm aspie & therefore have no idea what "normal" people act like. I'm 65 years old, ffs!! I've been around a lotta people in that time.

I do sometimes say "inappropriate" things & sometimes I laugh inappropriately. I do try not to, but sometimes shit just pops out. And for those of you who wouldn't want to date an aspie, whatever your reasons are, I'm glad that you are upfront about it. Because I am looking for my next great relationship & I'm not interested in ever settling again for someone who just puts up with that part of me.

There's a thread on Fetlife for Aspies & Auties to write about what is wonderful about being this way. It's a very positive thread & I like to revisit it often, to remind myself that I'm not fucked up, I'm just different. There are many positive things about being aspie that nypicals will never ever be able to experience.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 12:45:19 PM   
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I see some people here talking about not wanting to date an aspie because they have "enough to deal with already" or don't want a partner who is like their child.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions and preferences of course, but do you understand how insulting and hurtful that is? 


I think there's an important difference between not wanting to be friends with an Aspie and not wanting to date one.  All other areas of compatibility being equal, I'm not going to deny myself a quality friendship just because someone has Asperger's.  But just because that person makes a good friend for me, doesn't mean we'd be a good fit as romantic partners.  I only have so much energy and so many emotional reserves to go around.  My child is first in line for the resources that go toward dealing with the psychological issues that fall on the autism spectrum. 
 
I'm truly sorry this admission is hurtful to you.  However, I don't think it would be fair to myself or the hypothetical Aspie to subject both of us to a romantic relationship in which I will never feel completely at ease with that person.  That doesn't seem at all healthy for either of us.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 4:40:38 PM   
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I do sometimes say "inappropriate" things & sometimes I laugh inappropriately. I do try not to, but sometimes shit just pops out.


Gawd, I'm not an Aspie and I say a lot of inappropriate things, I just figure life is too short to beat around the bush and if somebody can't handle the truth, well, it's better if they're out of my life as I can't waste my time pussyfooting around stuff.

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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 5:17:23 PM   
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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 5:19:46 PM   
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What kind of aspie? Like, Michael Myers-style? Then no, hell no.


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RE: Would you date an Aspie ? - 5/27/2011 6:07:09 PM   
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I do sometimes say "inappropriate" things & sometimes I laugh inappropriately. I do try not to, but sometimes shit just pops out.


Gawd, I'm not an Aspie and I say a lot of inappropriate things, I just figure life is too short to beat around the bush and if somebody can't handle the truth, well, it's better if they're out of my life as I can't waste my time pussyfooting around stuff.


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