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pahunkboy -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 6:48:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

And they now set the TSA up at proms and graduations. 

http://www.koat.com/r-video/27979990/detail.html

Supposedly it was ordered by a fed judge that they use a "TSA Certified" person but they couldn't find one so they used officers instead.

Security not uncommon these days I suppose but what's a fed judge ordering this into action anyway?

I smell a rat. A government promoted and marketed TSA in the spotlight so you'll get used to getting pat downs rat. [:D]



Notice how the whole-  "dont fly" argument goes out the window.   The incremental-ism  now leads to dont take a train, a bus,  go to a foot ball game, and so forth.

I am beginning to hate the world that we live in.

Things were better during the cold war. 




Icarys -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 6:58:49 PM)

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Notice how the whole- "dont fly" argument goes out the window. The incremental-ism now leads to dont take a train, a bus, go to a foot ball game, and so forth.

Yeah I'm paying attention.

Don't give up yet though..[:D] I've got faith in us as a Nation and you should too. I see states standing up for a change and saying enough. I see groups doing the same as well as individuals just as I see the crappy path we're taking for the moment in history.

I believe that people are slowly beginning to realize in greatly increasing numbers that something wicked is afoot. People can call out conspiracy nuts all they want. it doesn't mean there isn't something fucked up happening.




Aneirin -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 7:22:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

And they now set the TSA up at proms and graduations. 

http://www.koat.com/r-video/27979990/detail.html

Supposedly it was ordered by a fed judge that they use a "TSA Certified" person but they couldn't find one so they used officers instead.

Security not uncommon these days I suppose but what's a fed judge ordering this into action anyway?

I smell a rat. A government promoted and marketed TSA in the spotlight so you'll get used to getting pat downs rat. [:D]



Notice how the whole-  "dont fly" argument goes out the window.   The incremental-ism  now leads to dont take a train, a bus,  go to a foot ball game, and so forth.

I am beginning to hate the world that we live in.

Things were better during the cold war. 



The cold war and now the war on terror, why must we always be in a war, oh, that's simple for the conspiracist, for war enables those who wish to control, control and that by creating fear.

Perhaps in that some believe we are reaping what we have sowed or rather those who acted in our name did, but the question could be was the action meant to be antagonism to illicit the situation that we now find ourselves in. Those that antagonised reaped other bounties too whilst we were all watching mindless babble on the tv and trusting our leaders to look after us.

Have we been had ?




pahunkboy -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 7:52:05 PM)

^  and yet-  Obama says he does not need Congressional approval for Libya- because it is not a war.   Consider tho how there is a war on poverty, a war on crime, a war on drugs, a war on terror-  every is both a war and not a war.  

Factor in Prez Johnsons warning of the mil industrial complex-  and how much war profiteers are making- and that Obama and his hope and change basically only enhances CEO compensation.

No one in government is willing to take on these forces.  There are no real attempts at any clean up.   Just a circus of clowns that fuel CEO golden parachutes.

No Glass Steagall.  No audit of the fed.  In the past 11 years -  incompetence and fraud is rewarded-  so guess what we will have more of?

9-11, TARP,  war based on lies to go into Iraq....  no one gets punished.   Not even close.

The investment bankers take down this country- and now we talk about getting rid of Social Security.

The left is dumb-  thinking their guy reps the people- and the right sends their kids to war zone-  to enhance corporate shareholder value.

Houses being taken-  retirements looted- college loans for jobs that do not exists.   But we are going to worry about which clown can save us - in congress and now the 2012 prez cycle.

I guess it is fun to lose ones house,  ones job,  to owe debt servitude on a college degree- and have ones retirement stolen by wall street.  Somehow this is ok with the masses.    They are willing to die for their ego-  the the ABC/XYZ party is their man- will save them.

Too  simple to comprehends-  you got people like sanity who would give corporations even more welfare- and people like Lucy and Ron- who think Obama -  policies are really any different then Bush policies.....   and Moon who is so sure that there is no conspiracy---  


I am baffled.    




Owner59 -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 7:55:35 PM)

I think PA`s jealous that he never gets groped at the air port.

[:D]




pahunkboy -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 7:55:54 PM)

with the renewal of the patriot act- this evening- and "I" am the conspiracy theorist. 




Owner59 -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 8:01:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

with the renewal of the patriot act- this evening- and "I" am the conspiracy theorist. 



awww hunky,here`s a virtual hug. <hugz>

What parts of the PA would you do away with?




pahunkboy -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 8:08:10 PM)

^  thanks.  I would get rid of all of it.   Stick with the constitution.  The patriot act- is merely a gutting of the Constitution. 




Icarys -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 8:15:05 PM)

Here's a little video clip. She reports how one group says nay, while the other group says yay and then they reverse and take opposing stances. lol

I personally think they want us to believe it's just partisan politics. Get us bickering over who's side is right while they stab us in the back. Oh no. it's their fault! A little misdirection..Do they really think people don't see what's going on? How could you say YES then NO then YES again with a straight face on and expect people to buy what you're selling.[:D]

http://www.google.com/#q=patriot+act+renewed+may&hl=en&prmd=ivnsu&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=uRTfTdmFMMv2gAf57r3uCg&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=73a5782601ead03&biw=1280&bih=609




SilverMark -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 8:32:27 PM)

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Factor in Prez Johnsons warning of the mil industrial complex

HUH?
President Johnson...Ok....but, you might want to look up a few quotes before you use them
Look up the Pesident right before Kennedy, his name was Dwight D Eisenhower. They called him Ike and he was a pretty famous guy,
he led the Allied Armies in Europe. Go ahead, it will only take a few minutes.....I'll wait....


There are so many misnomers in your post, I could wrte the answers for the next day or so and I simply don't have the time to do so.




pahunkboy -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 8:39:51 PM)

and this fixes the problem how?




Edwynn -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/26/2011 10:26:28 PM)



~FR~


It is a scam, and nothing more than a scam, from the word go.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-11-22-scanner-lobby_N.htm

WASHINGTON — The companies with multimillion-dollar contracts to supply American airports with body-scanning machines more than doubled their spending on lobbying in the past five years and hired several high-profile former government officials to advance their causes in Washington, government records show.

http://becauseican-2old2care.blogspot.com/2010/11/tsa-scanners-it-is-about-money.html

L-3 Communications   

$      L-3 Communications, which has sold $39.7 million worth of the machines to the federal government
$      The Transportation Security Administration awarded a contract to L-3 Communications to buy up to $165 million worth of its ProVision scanners.
$      L-3 Communications $2.1 million in 2005, lobbying data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics show.
$      Last year, the company L-3 Communications $5.5 million on lobbying.
$      L-3 Communications spent $4.3 million to influence Congress and federal agencies during the first nine months of this year,
$      L-3 Communications hired former Sen. Alfonse D’Amato (R-N.Y.) who was once on the Commission on Aviation Security under President George H.W. Bush.
$      L-3 Communications lobbyist Linda Daschle (the wife of former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle), a prominent Democratic figure in Washington, who is a former Federal Aviation Administration official.
$      Among the bills targeted by L-3 Communications lobbyists: Legislation proposed by Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, that would limit the use of the scanners at airports.

Rapiscan Systems

$        Rapiscan Systems Inc. manufactured 211 of the 385 image scanners in use at 68 airports nationwide.
$        The government has spent $41.2 million so far on Rapiscan's machines.
$        Rapiscan, whose contract is worth $173 million
$        Last year the company did $17 million t $20 million in contracts. Over the past six months, the company has had $40 million in sales to the U.S. government, compared with $8 million in 2004.
$        Meanwhile, Rapiscan reportedly knows how to “play ball in Washington to increase its profits.”  As a result, the company made $40 million in sales to the United States government, compared to $8 million in 2004.
$        Rapiscan Systems, meanwhile, has spent $271,500 on lobbying so far this year, compared with $80,000 five years earlier.
$        Rapiscan Systems spent $440,000 on lobbying in 2009
$        Among Rapiscan's lobbyists: Beth Spivey, a former aide to ex-Senate majority leader Trent Lott
$        Lobbyists for this company include Susan Carr, a former senior legislative aide to Rep. David Price (D-N.C.) who is coincidentally chairman of the Homeland Security Subcommittee  (Carr, $80,000 - Rapiscan Systems)
$        David Whitestone, a former aide to Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), and John Bucher, once the chief lobbyist for United Airlines, are lobbying for Holland & Knight (has earned $480,000 from Rapiscan)
$        Former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff went on a media tour promoting the use of these scanners, without disclosing that he was getting paid by Rapiscan  (Christmas 2009)



Here is what someone who actually knows what he's talking about has to say on the matter:

Among other things ...

http://www.schneier.com/essay-333.html

"The problem is that no scanners or puffers can detect PETN (an explosive); only swabs and dogs work. What the TSA hopes is that they will detect the bulge if someone is hiding a wad of it on their person. But they won't catch PETN hidden in a body cavity.  -  Or he can roll it thin enough to be part of a garment, and sneak it through that way. These tricks aren't new. In the days after the Underwear Bomber was stopped, a scanner manufacturer admitted that the machines might not have caught him."

"Investigation and intelligence is how we're going to prevent terrorism, on airplanes and elsewhere. It's how we caught the liquid bombers. It's how we found the Yemeni printer-cartridge bombs. And it's our best chance at stopping the next serious plot. Because if a group of well-planned and well-funded terrorist plotters makes it to the airport, the chance is pretty low that those blue-shirted crotch-groping water-bottle-confiscating TSA agents are going to catch them."



After all the graft involved in invoking these machines, the implementers seem to take the greatest umbrage at anyone having the temerity to decline the scan, such displeasure being manifested by feeling up grandmothers and children.

One thing that people hate even worse than being scammed is having to admit that they've been scammed, hence all the 'protesting too loudly' in the form of "no, we really DO need it!", "if you don't like it, don't fly!" and other assorted belligerence. 

















SilverMark -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/27/2011 3:45:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

and this fixes the problem how?

If you get the items you quote attribited to the correct people, it seems to enhance credibility....of course with you,that may not be near as important as getting the correct conspiracy links from your hero LaRouche....




rulemylife -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/27/2011 4:02:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy  

Factor in Prez Johnsons warning of the mil industrial complex....

I am baffled.    



You are definitely baffled.

Can you say Eisenhower?




Icarys -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/27/2011 5:18:38 AM)

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. "We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

Ya know I get what you guys are saying about getting your quotes and links and so on correct but cmon..You know what the guy means..so he got the president wrong. It isn't about the credibility of the "person" so much as it is about the message. So what, if you gotta read between the lines with some people.

In my book anyway.




pahunkboy -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/27/2011 8:56:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. "We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

Ya know I get what you guys are saying about getting your quotes and links and so on correct but cmon..You know what the guy means..so he got the president wrong. It isn't about the credibility of the "person" so much as it is about the message. So what, if you gotta read between the lines with some people.

In my book anyway.


Silvermark and RML  want TSA intrusions.   Hopefully they get them today- but leave those of us who do not want this out.

Anything but to find a solution to the problem....  anything but that.




SilverMark -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/27/2011 9:38:51 AM)

Well pa, you will need to stay in your house forever. Go to a sporting event, you get searched, you give implied consent when you purcahse the ticket.
Fly on a public airline you get searched, implied consent, by purchasing the ticket.
Go to a concert, you are going to be searched, once agin, implied consent.
Sorry, that is just life, but then again, you don't leave home much do you?

Tha't just the way of the world today...but, keep whining, I ma sure it makes you feel better.




pahunkboy -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/27/2011 9:54:14 AM)

You position is treasonist to the Constitution. 




pahunkboy -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/27/2011 10:49:36 AM)

Utah To Follow Texas Lead In TSA Grope-down Revolt...




SilverMark -> RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on (5/27/2011 11:45:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

You position is treasonist to the Constitution. 


You are seriously delusional, but we knew that and have come to accept it from you.

My position has been stated over and over and you have yet to understand the point.

Pa, just stay home with a gun and your precious metals, don't leave the house, you'll be fine. If you leave the house to attend to any large function where a ticket is issued, be prepared to have yourself checked with metal detectors and possibly searched. Don't worry, they will give you special dispensation for your tin foil hat.





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