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PeonForHer -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/30/2011 8:28:19 PM)

No doubt, no doubt.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/30/2011 8:32:33 PM)

Really, I've always thought that LadyPact and I are pretty transparent.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/30/2011 8:44:11 PM)

Actually.... I had a thread about that a while back.... the whole "what do you get out of this" thing...

I remember the first time my ex whispered in my ear "Eres mio." I didn't speak Spanish at the time, but I *knew* without a doubt that whatever he had just said / whatever process he'd just gone through was powerful. There was a look of absolute possession when he said it. *goosebumps*




PeonForHer -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 5:00:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Really, I've always thought that LadyPact and I are pretty transparent.


Yes, about what you want, but not the root drive for it.

Normally, I go about understanding people on the basis that they're like me and have the same mixture of characteristics, only in different proportions. I can understand a Conservative because I have something of a conservative's temperament in me; more so a socialist, a liberal or an anarchist. I can even 'feel' my way into understanding ultra racists (because I know I've had prejudices). Hell, I can even have a sense of what makes a Nazi tick. But dominants have a mixture that doesn't contain different proportions to mine, they have a few different ingredients.

Except for one, that is: the narcissistic thing. I *do* understand the 'worshipping' thing. I've had GFs who've had sub-feelings towards me, and I've been able to see what they see, in that regard alone. When I've topped, that's been my only route into being able to do it. Simple - it goes 'I want you to be vain!' and I can do that, because, yup, I certainly do have a dose of vanity in me. I can be called 'Sir', know where it comes from, and it can trigger me.

I used to think that all dominants were like that - narcissistic - but just a lot more than I am. But not now. A few are like that, but not many. That was just my projecting onto them. This projection thing is the mistake we see being made all over these boards, every day, of course: subs attacking what they think are Dommes, but what are really just bits of themselves. Or not attacking, but adoring, bits of themselves rather than the Dommes to whom they're talking. (And the reverse happens too, natch.)

Either way, though, that projecting isn't a route to understanding everything about certain people who are very, very different in important respects. At times you're best off starting with the assumption that you're entirely ignorant. Then you at least don't have a wall between you and what's still mist on the other side of it.

Well, put it this way, and as an example: Oldhen's comments about this feeling of 'ownership, complete possession' that some dominants have: that makes it a lot clearer why I fell out with a particular femdom so badly a couple of years ago. She wanted such 'ownership' of me, and already felt it, and I had no idea of that. I think I do see it now, a fair bit more. I still don't get why it's there and can't feel it myself towards another person - but, then, that's maybe because I'm not a dominant.

The moral of the story seems to be: you have sort out the ways in which you can understand people a) on the basis of their having the same mixture of ingredients as you and b) understand them on the basis of ignorance, because they have a few ingredients that you don't have at all.

Er . . . right, now I'd better have some coffee. I promise to get out of the house at some point during the day. I'm reliably informed that there's a big light in the sky called the 'Sun' which can be pleasant to feel.









sunshinemiss -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 5:45:06 AM)

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I'm reliably informed that there's a big light in the sky called the 'Sun' which can be pleasant to feel.


True.
That.

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The moral of the story seems to be: you have sort out the ways in which you can understand people a) on the basis of their having the same mixture of ingredients as you and b) understand them on the basis of ignorance, because they have a few ingredients that you don't have at all.


I think Peon that people forget that in the end we all want the same things - love appreciation, motivation, connection, safety.... It's just the quirks and details are different.

best,
sunshine




PeonForHer -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 5:51:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I think Peon that people forget that in the end we all want the same things - love appreciation, motivation, connection, safety.... It's just the quirks and details are different.


Hah! I think I'm on top of the 'same things' part of that: I just go on the basis that women are the same as men, only a bit smaller and minus the lunchpacks, but plus the grooblies and growlers. It's the 'quirks and details' that have made me stumble, especially when it comes to women who happen to be femdoms. Assuming difference has worked better for that.




LaTigresse -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 9:20:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 0ldhen

I think that some, not all mind you, but some, dominants (not talking top now) simply want that one thing, that is so precious, so wondrous, so undeniably valuable to them, to possess, to own, to have in a fashion that is unutterably theirs.

I think they seek the one who in that moment when the dominant can at last grab that submissive/slave and state "MINE" satisfies something in their very core.

I think the kink, the play, is just a part of that for some, but not all. But I do not think that the kink, the play, is the sum of why they are dominant.



This.........so much.




sexyred1 -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 9:33:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy


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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: PhilSlave
Or is it something else, a need for power that they don't have in reality?

Or... just perhaps... it could be a guy and a girl, one of whom is comfortable with authority and the other preferring to follow? Is it really so hard to believe that some people just are this way?



Or maybe it is something entirely different.




Like what? It is either one of 3 things:

People who are sexually aroused by BDSM
People who are turned on by power, and express it through these activities
People who are fucked up in some fundamental way and then yes, they may try this out as revenge.

But then again, it is the same in the vanilla world, sociopaths and fuck ups are everywhere.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 9:34:39 AM)

To be honest, Peon, I have spent my whole adult life being *baffled* by those who crave submission. Why on earth would you want such a thing? I am grateful, yet puzzled. When I talk to those who have a good handle on their own whys & wherefores, they seem to say the same sentiments that Oldhen expressed from the opposite side.




sexyred1 -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 9:35:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PhilSlave

Yeah, kink gets boring for sure.


Only if you are doing it wrong and with the wrong person.




DesFIP -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 2:35:51 PM)

I have to say I agree with Peon, I see nothing worthwhile in being the dominant. He does all the hard work (from my pov) and I get all the benefit of it. I'm grateful but entirely baffled. I gave up ages ago and just decided it was easier to accept his word, that he does get fulfillment from it, even if I can never understand why.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 2:41:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I have to say I agree with Peon, I see nothing worthwhile in being the dominant. He does all the hard work (from my pov) and I get all the benefit of it. I'm grateful but entirely baffled. I gave up ages ago and just decided it was easier to accept his word, that he does get fulfillment from it, even if I can never understand why.



See! Just how I feel, in reverse! (though who knows what goes on in the quasi-minds of mens, right? [8D])

I cannot IMAGINE tolerating what sub women do for a second. Though I guess I would burn a lot of calories laughing.




DesFIP -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 2:43:43 PM)

If he did the laundry, everything would be shrunk and dyed pink by now. Although if he did the cooking, I'd be a lot thinner. I think he can grill a steak, ribs and burgers. And boil a box of noodles. Being faced with a steady diet of that, all overcooked, would help anyone lose weight.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 2:47:35 PM)

Cook? I hate cooking!! But I do a mean set of sheets!




sexyred1 -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 2:51:22 PM)

LadyH, don't feel bad for all sub women. Some of us don't cook, clean or do laundry.

I am just in it for the hot sex. [;)]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 2:53:02 PM)

The what? [sm=LMAO.gif]

I am pretty much celibate, so maybe you could link me some video?[;)]




sexyred1 -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 2:55:40 PM)

For you, anything!! Now, if I can just get back that damn video that Mr. X has.....




PeonForHer -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 2:55:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

To be honest, Peon, I have spent my whole adult life being *baffled* by those who crave submission. Why on earth would you want such a thing? I am grateful, yet puzzled. When I talk to those who have a good handle on their own whys & wherefores, they seem to say the same sentiments that Oldhen expressed from the opposite side.


To be honest, I'm with you on a lot of that bafflement: it doesn't make sense to me that I should crave submission either. On the other hand, it makes sense to me that dominants should want to dominate - after all, people are ordinarily expected to want to dominate their own lives, their surroundings, other people, in society at large.

What's more, though I've got all sorts of little psychological theories (some of which I've never seen mentioned here at CM) I don't think they'd really help a non-sub grasp the feelings involved. For me, personally, (i.e. I've a suspicion that a lot of subs aren't quite like me in this respect) I get off on the fact that my sexual feelings do exactly the opposite of what my ego wants them to do. They're wilfully perverse. It's outrageous that one person gets to own, control, punish another person. It breaks all my own, carefully-learned rules of ethics - of reason itself - which is why I like those things.

But, jeez, there's no point in going on in this vein. It wouldn't help you. It barely even helps me. It makes me squirm to use the word 'delicious', but that's how it feels if a woman to whom I'm attracted says 'Do this' to me, and clearly expects it to be done. And that's just a 'mini-delicious', as well. Something inside me instantly wants to scamper to do it, just like a puppy.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 4:31:32 PM)

fine, MOCK ME with your scampering! Hmph.




ThundersCry -> RE: Are doms and dommes looking for revenge on the sex that wronged them? (5/31/2011 6:19:56 PM)

mmmmm.....no -L-

Just because I am sadistic has nothing to do with *past* relationships...nor does my being masochistic...

I do not see you getting anyone to say...yes...are they out there? oh ya....




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