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tazzygirl -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:17:43 AM)

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Not being in a position to say, I'm going to ask the women who are. Do you find there to be a psychological difference in being penetrated by something that can impregnate you and something that cannot?


For myself, no. A vibrator or dildo doesnt feel any different than a penis, physically. Since I dont play by myself, the instrument penetrating me would be wielded by a man, so there is no psychological difference either.



BonesFromAsh -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:18:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PdxJ

Dommes on the other hand, and yes I do hear the flame throwers starting up, are living under an evolutionary illusion that men and women are physically equal. Yes, granted, there may be a few that could back it up but seriously - take away the consensual and men are the dominate. We can take what we want. Women like to play that they can and I give them their due - they talk a great game but, seriously, drop the consensual and it's not even the same game let alone the same ballpark.

*Flame retardant suit on*



I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around this post, but I can't. Do you honestly believe that women "play" at being dominant?



tazzygirl -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:19:44 AM)

You will shatter the delusion he believes he has created.



PhilSlave -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:21:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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I'm not looking for anyone..... Weird.
Didn't you mean to say "Weird and creepy"?

Singing....
It's my thread
I'll derail it if I want to



Now you're getting it. :-)



PdxJ -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:22:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather
This is interesting, I wonder why it pains you to say it if you believe it.


It pains me to believe it because regardless of how much we humans tout we are evolved - it is crap. All of us go screaming back to our DNA roots.

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather
So you're defining dominance as purely physical then?  I don't think the evidence backs that up really.

It seems that what is being presented recently is the idea that not only are some acts or positions inherently dominant, but that any penetrative act by a penis (and only a penis) is by definition dominant. Personally I don't buy this. Anybody who has watched Hanners tie up a man and ride him for an hour or two without letting him orgasm would have a hard time seeing that particular penetration as anything but utterly submissive on his part, but I digress.

In all honesty, I think that so far only Awareness's idea that it is due to the possibility of pregnancy makes any sense. The other reasons put forward to support that position really aren't all that credible, at least in my mind.


Yes, domination has everything to do with physical until you add in the 'consensual' playtime then it's all make believe and anything in fantasy land is possible.

Again - what she is doing is CONSENSUAL. I'd like to see her force an UNWILLING man to do the same thing.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:23:31 AM)

Thanks tazzy (its OK if I call you that isn't it?), but its the psychological differences I'm hoping for. Could you comment on that please.



PdxJ -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:24:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Rape is born of anger, not Dominance.



Its funny that you, and by his own agreement, phil, believe in the fables of the club wielding cave man. You do realize these myths had their beginnings in the late 1800's?



As I said - rape is a different topic for a different day.

And, who cares what they thumped her with.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:25:36 AM)

Pst... they didnt thump anyone.



PdxJ -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:27:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh


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ORIGINAL: PdxJ

Dommes on the other hand, and yes I do hear the flame throwers starting up, are living under an evolutionary illusion that men and women are physically equal. Yes, granted, there may be a few that could back it up but seriously - take away the consensual and men are the dominate. We can take what we want. Women like to play that they can and I give them their due - they talk a great game but, seriously, drop the consensual and it's not even the same game let alone the same ballpark.

*Flame retardant suit on*



I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around this post, but I can't. Do you honestly believe that women "play" at being dominant?


Bones, it is play. It is consensual. The sub is a willing participant. One in a thousand Dommes (if that) could actually do 'in real life' what they do in a consensual scene.



banditmel -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:27:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Fast forward several thousand years and what do we have? Rapists that still think they can get away with it and we have Dom's. Rapists, I'm not even going to start on - that's a different topic for a different day but . . . . . . . Doms - doms can be doms because the female of our species, for the most part, is still that filthy naked cave-whore we forced to be our toy several thousand years ago and they like it. There is an order to the universe.


Rape is born of anger, not Dominance.


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When you get right down to it - males can claim dominance and have since the dawn of man simply because we can. The very first cave man saw that gnarly dirty, yet naked, cave chic and clunked her ass on the head with his club and took her how he wanted her - hard, rough, and as often as he wanted. What was she gonna do about it? Not a damn thing.


Its funny that you, and by his own agreement, phil, believe in the fables of the club wielding cave man. You do realize these myths had their beginnings in the late 1800's?



Men made the error of honoring mindless brutality, which they called “masculinity” instead of grace and esoteric wisdom that is mainly femininity. There is no balance. And now men must suffer the women who can’t appreciate their essence of femininity since, according to the delusion, the only way to power is by being a mindless brute (masculine) heh, enjoy the feminazi.



PdxJ -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:28:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Pst... they didnt thump anyone.


Pssst - you weren't there and it doesn't matter.



PhilSlave -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:29:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: banditmel


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Fast forward several thousand years and what do we have? Rapists that still think they can get away with it and we have Dom's. Rapists, I'm not even going to start on - that's a different topic for a different day but . . . . . . . Doms - doms can be doms because the female of our species, for the most part, is still that filthy naked cave-whore we forced to be our toy several thousand years ago and they like it. There is an order to the universe.


Rape is born of anger, not Dominance.


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When you get right down to it - males can claim dominance and have since the dawn of man simply because we can. The very first cave man saw that gnarly dirty, yet naked, cave chic and clunked her ass on the head with his club and took her how he wanted her - hard, rough, and as often as he wanted. What was she gonna do about it? Not a damn thing.


Its funny that you, and by his own agreement, phil, believe in the fables of the club wielding cave man. You do realize these myths had their beginnings in the late 1800's?



Men made the error of honoring mindless brutality, which they called “masculinity” instead of grace and esoteric wisdom that is mainly femininity. There is no balance. And now men must suffer the women who can’t appreciate their essence of femininity since, according to the delusion, the only way to power is by being a mindless brute (masculine) heh, enjoy the feminazi.



Ghandi was a woman?



BonesFromAsh -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:30:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PdxJ

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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh


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ORIGINAL: PdxJ

Dommes on the other hand, and yes I do hear the flame throwers starting up, are living under an evolutionary illusion that men and women are physically equal. Yes, granted, there may be a few that could back it up but seriously - take away the consensual and men are the dominate. We can take what we want. Women like to play that they can and I give them their due - they talk a great game but, seriously, drop the consensual and it's not even the same game let alone the same ballpark.

*Flame retardant suit on*



I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around this post, but I can't. Do you honestly believe that women "play" at being dominant?


Bones, it is play. It is consensual. The sub is a willing participant. One in a thousand Dommes (if that) could actually do 'in real life' what they do in a consensual scene.



Interesting..."consensual"..."willing participant"....these don't apply to male domination also?

Brute force/strenght is dominance, is that all it is for you?



VaguelyCurious -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:30:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PdxJ

Dommes on the other hand, and yes I do hear the flame throwers starting up, are living under an evolutionary illusion that men and women are physically equal. Yes, granted, there may be a few that could back it up but seriously - take away the consensual and men are the dominate. We can take what we want. Women like to play that they can and I give them their due - they talk a great game but, seriously, drop the consensual and it's not even the same game let alone the same ballpark.

Which is all well and dandy if you reduce/overcomplicate (depending on your perspective) dominance to 'I can/must force you to do these things because I am stronger than you'. If you look at it like 'I like making decisions, you like having decisions made, wanna hold hands with me and skip into the sunset while I chase you with a crop and yell 'jump higher Skippy, jump higher!'*?' then the whole thing gets a lot easier.

I think of myself as dominant because I'm compatible with submissive people. We go on dates. We go shopping. We cook together. I beat them up. They get me off. I get them off. We cuddle. I make them cry. They make me laugh. It's all good. And it works, and it makes everyone involved happy. Whether or not I could drop them with a blow to the head from my theoretical club really doesn't come into it.

*or, you know, whatever your kink is.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:30:35 AM)

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Yes, domination has everything to do with physical until you add in the 'consensual' playtime then it's all make believe and anything in fantasy land is possible.
We are by definition discussing consensual domination, not rape.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:31:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh



I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around this post, but I can't. Do you honestly believe that women "play" at being dominant?


Yes he did say that. He also said : Dommes on the other hand . . .are living under an evolutionary illusion that men and women are physically equal.

What??? I'm not sure what an evolutionary illusion is, I'd love for you to clarify that.

Are some women physically superior to some men? Yes, and I know some. I have a sister who is 5'4" and very physically fit, I'd back her against 90% of the males on this board.

Your statement once again buys into the original premise, most male doms think domination is all about the physical, most female doms understand it's more about the mental.

(Sorry about the previous high jack Heather, I was trying to insert some levity in what was becoming a serious pissing match).

((I still say Spock was a sub.))



RedMagic1 -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:32:01 AM)

Thanks, Arpig. I hear what you're saying, and we're cool.

I do get rejected by a lot of women, and sometimes it is because I am too short. I am 5'7" tall, average-to-fit build, and I recently made a move on a woman who is 6'0" and jacked. She hasn't said no, and I think she isn't quite sure what to do, but wishes I were at least 5'10". I am currently commissioned to write a review of a book in the field she got her PhD in, which is something she doesn't run into every day. I estimate about a 10% chance of getting past second base. We'll see. She seems cool, and I am currently in a pleasant situation, though it is unlikely to be long term.

And that's the thing. Context is everything. Of course most men don't set their wives and homes on fire after being laid off, even if they have watched Eminem's "I Love the Way You Lie" video 100 times. But, if you're a social scientist, how do you measure "degree of misogyny" in a population? It isn't as simple as running a bot through YouTube comments and tabulating the number of times the word "gay" appears. So people choose acts that indicate a likely increase/decrease in mistreatment of women, for example statistics about murder, domestic violence, rape. In some of the posts you took issue with, I was speaking directly to PeonForHer, who has rigorous academic training in related areas, so I was using "shorthand" if you will, that would make sense to him, rather than expand upon the method, like right now. Of course such a method doesn't capture everybody's situation, but it provides a rough first approximation to societal trends.

For people who continue to think that I am mistaken about a "significant percentage" of vanilla and kinky women being attracted to uncompromising traditional male power, I will say this: Chris Brown has a ton of female fans. Frankly, there is nothing further to debate.

As I stated before, if you take the "Awareness position" and combine it with the "Sylvere position" you will arrive at the truth. Both deep biology, and lifelong social conditioning, are at play here, and, depending on the context, one will be more significant than the other, at a given time, for a given person or social group.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:32:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PdxJ

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Pst... they didnt thump anyone.


Pssst - you weren't there and it doesn't matter.


LOL... neither were you. However, there is proof that women at that time were considered warriors. Women who were gay, as well as men.



BonesFromAsh -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:34:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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Yes, domination has everything to do with physical until you add in the 'consensual' playtime then it's all make believe and anything in fantasy land is possible.
We are by definition discussing consensual domination, not rape.


Indeed, that's what I thought this thread was about.

Physical strenght can make a person kneel...it can't make them submissive. Trust me on this one.

BTW...good first thread, well done.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) (5/30/2011 9:34:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PdxJ


Yes, domination has everything to do with physical until you add in the 'consensual' playtime then it's all make believe and anything in fantasy land is possible.

Again - what she is doing is CONSENSUAL. I'd like to see her force an UNWILLING man to do the same thing.



The same thing would happen to her that would happen to the guy who would force a woman - court and jail time...

If it comes down to domination by strength, then every leader and politician would have to look like Conan, yet we aren't walking around with clubs and wear bear furs, so physical strength might not have something to do with it. You know Bill Gates doesn't strike me as the strongest or most physical guy, nor does Abramovich - yet both wield a lot more power than Mr World... Funny that...



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