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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 8:15:16 PM   
juliaoceania


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Here is another example of inappropriate things done in the name of religion in the military


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/9693/evangelicals-and-muslims-in-a-potentially-deadly-standoff

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/special/wariniraq.html

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 8:17:39 PM   
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Tops must be long enough to cover the midriff.


I would never get hard again if that happened.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 8:17:41 PM   
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perhaps down the line,as it has in the past,it will be the Republican Party.....but in order for that to happen they would first need to reclaim their party from the extremists who have co-opted it.

Well, but there's my point. It's not the Republican Party anymore. It just trades on that name. If some guy dressed up in a gorilla suit mugs you, you don't go off ranting about gorillas -- you report that you were mugged by a guy wearing a gorilla suit.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 8:20:28 PM   
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This part is just wrong:


Tops must be long enough to cover the midriff.


I would never get hard again if that happened.



I could never live with shorts that long... it gets hot here.

It has changed though... it used to be sleeves had to be three quarter lengths... they eased up on the girls

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 8:25:05 PM   
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A Republican led sub-committee, headed by David Dreier (R-CA) blocked a bill that would allow abortions to be covered by the health plan, when a servicewomen gets raped.

There are several increasingly powerful Christian movements in the US that have as their explicitly stated goal the subversion of the Constitution of the United States and the creation of a Christian nation with Christ as its King. They have targeted the Republican Party, and have largely (but not yet completely) co-opted it. I realize that some people enjoy being partisan bigots and shitting on the other party at every opportunity. But what we really have here is a Christian Taliban. And in my opinion, the sooner we start calling a spade a spade the better.

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It's a miracle! Can I endorse your sentiments 100% please?

Wherever these people have attained power, they try to impose their beliefs on society. Look at the status of abortion in Ireland or Poland for instance.

The comparison to the Taliban is precise and totally justified. If one takes into account the murders of doctors who perform abortions and the bombings of abortion clinics, there's a convergence of operational tactics as well as outlooks.

Fundamentalism of any variety is fundamentally evil.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 8:51:43 PM   
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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 9:16:08 PM   
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Interesting that right wingers here are not interested in defending the policy.

Yes, isn't it. Hold that thought. How could that be? Maybe because forbidding abortion, totally and completely, regardless of the circumstances, is not the position of those who are politically on the "right". Maybe because that kind of shit is only on the agenda of...

Well no, I don't want to give it away.

K.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 9:21:00 PM   
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Interesting that right wingers here are not interested in defending the policy.

Yes, isn't it. Hold that thought. How could that be? Maybe because forbidding abortion, totally and completely, regardless of the circumstances, is not the position of those who are politically on the "right". Maybe because that kind of shit is only on the agenda of...

Well no, I don't want to give it away.

K.



I think you were on to something when you said that the Christian Right had co-opted the Republican Party, and most within that party are pro life. I think there is a lot of fear on the part of conservatives to come out against anything remotely smelling of pro life agenda....

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 10:24:36 PM   
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What was the unintended consequence? People certainly knew what was going to happen back in 1980 when Reagan hopped in bed with Falwell.

Nobody "knew" what was going to happen. Human beings cannot predict the future. Nobody "knew" we were going to end up facing the situation we have today. And given the disturbing growth of Christian Dominionism in the United States, it is as likely as not that we would be facing it with or without Reagan.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/29/2011 10:49:44 PM   
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There are several increasingly powerful Christian movements in the US that have as their explicitly stated goal the subversion of the Constitution of the United States and the creation of a Christian nation with Christ as its King. They have targeted the Republican Party, and have largely (but not yet completely) co-opted it. I realize that some people enjoy being partisan bigots and shitting on the other party at every opportunity. But what we really have here is a Christian Taliban. And in my opinion, the sooner we start calling a spade a spade the better.

K.






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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 6:11:20 AM   
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There are several increasingly powerful Christian movements in the US that have as their explicitly stated goal the subversion of the Constitution of the United States and the creation of a Christian nation with Christ as its King. They have targeted the Republican Party, and have largely (but not yet completely) co-opted it. I realize that some people enjoy being partisan bigots and shitting on the other party at every opportunity. But what we really have here is a Christian Taliban. And in my opinion, the sooner we start calling a spade a spade the better.


They are the tail wagging the dog of the Republican Party.  They are one of the few groups that you can count on to show up and vote in lock step.  That fact often gives them too much control in a primary.

They would love nothing more than to turn the US into a Christian Theocracy.


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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 7:18:16 AM   
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They are the tail wagging the dog of the Republican Party. They are one of the few groups that you can count on to show up and vote in lock step. That fact often gives them too much control in a primary.

From what I've read, though I don't have any links at my fingertips, they've gone way beyond wagging the dog. They've actually been running "stealth" candidates, dressed up as "conservative Republicans," who unzip and attempt to pursue a Christian Dominion agenda after they're elected. In fact, if some of the shit one hears about these days is anything to go by, they're growing bold enough to not even worry much about being stealthy anymore.

K.


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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 8:19:04 AM   
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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 8:41:33 AM   
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The Mrs family are far right fundies and I was dragged through it as a kid.

I have watched them become bolder by the year with how far they can push.  Her Grandmother constantly forwards us emails from some of the groups.  Mostly we just delete unread and keep quiet to keep the peace.

Every now and then we read one and they are eye opening to say the least.

I believe everyone should be free to pursue their religious ideas and beliefs.  I take issue when they wish to make the rest of us follow their path.




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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 9:01:22 AM   
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From what I've read, though I don't have any links at my fingertips, they've gone way beyond wagging the dog. They've actually been running "stealth" candidates, dressed up as "conservative Republicans," who unzip and attempt to pursue a Christian Dominion agenda after they're elected. In fact, if some of the shit one hears about these days is anything to go by, they're growing bold enough to not even worry much about being stealthy anymore.


In many places republicans cannot get elected unless they profess the platform of the Christian Coalition, including the Christian litmus test....Pro Life, Pro prayer in public schools, pro Creation Science, pro abstinence education, pro US military to spread Christian values....

I have seen good hearted Christian people turned into a voting block by people that had agendas contrary to their own. The Republican Party has no intention of really ending abortion.... they would lose that all important wedge issue if they did... at the same time, democrats use it too.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 9:46:44 AM   
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With a Mormon, you KNOW what you're getting.




And what might that be, Fargle?

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 9:52:21 AM   
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What was the unintended consequence? People certainly knew what was going to happen back in 1980 when Reagan hopped in bed with Falwell.

Nobody "knew" what was going to happen. Human beings cannot predict the future. Nobody "knew" we were going to end up facing the situation we have today. And given the disturbing growth of Christian Dominionism in the United States, it is as likely as not that we would be facing it with or without Reagan.

K.


Tell that to Barry Goldwater.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwater072894.htm

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 9:53:59 AM   
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They are the tail wagging the dog of the Republican Party. They are one of the few groups that you can count on to show up and vote in lock step. That fact often gives them too much control in a primary.

From what I've read, though I don't have any links at my fingertips, they've gone way beyond wagging the dog. They've actually been running "stealth" candidates, dressed up as "conservative Republicans," who unzip and attempt to pursue a Christian Dominion agenda after they're elected. In fact, if some of the shit one hears about these days is anything to go by, they're growing bold enough to not even worry much about being stealthy anymore.

K.


That's been true for years.

Frothy Mixture was openly a Dominionist for example.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 12:34:09 PM   
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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 1:00:22 PM   
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There are several increasingly powerful Christian movements in the US that have as their explicitly stated goal the subversion of the Constitution of the United States and the creation of a Christian nation with Christ as its King. They have targeted the Republican Party, and have largely (but not yet completely) co-opted it. I realize that some people enjoy being partisan bigots and shitting on the other party at every opportunity. But what we really have here is a Christian Taliban. And in my opinion, the sooner we start calling a spade a spade the better.

K.



It's a miracle! Can I endorse your sentiments 100% please?

Wherever these people have attained power, they try to impose their beliefs on society. Look at the status of abortion in Ireland or Poland for instance.

The comparison to the Taliban is precise and totally justified. If one takes into account the murders of doctors who perform abortions and the bombings of abortion clinics, there's a convergence of operational tactics as well as outlooks.

Fundamentalism of any variety is fundamentally evil.



  What religious groups are so powerful as to be some kind of threat ? Inquiring right wing nut jobs would like to know.



"The comparison to the Taliban is precise and totally" *unjustified*  " If one takes into account the murders of doctors who perform abortions and the bombings of abortion clinics, there's a convergence of operational tactics as well as outlooks"


How often does this sort of thing happen ?  It seems to me it's a relatively few idiots and isolated instances, not some powerful religious conspiracy.

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