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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 1:07:45 PM

slvemike4u

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perhaps down the line,as it has in the past,it will be the Republican Party.....but in order for that to happen they would first need to reclaim their party from the extremists who have co-opted it.

Well, but there's my point. It's not the Republican Party anymore. It just trades on that name. If some guy dressed up in a gorilla suit mugs you, you don't go off ranting about gorillas -- you report that you were mugged by a guy wearing a gorilla suit.

K.

All well and good Kirata....but we have 2 major parties in this country...and one of them happens to be the Republican Party....now you can ,if you choose,brand them as usurpers of the traditions and planks the GOP used to stand for....but you can not claim that they are not,as now constituted,the Republican Party.It falls on the party itself to get it's house in order...and reclaim its way as a major party with something to offer the citizens of this nation...other than Religious intolerance.
Till they do so I will gladly endure being labeled partisan as I rail against todays Republican Party

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 1:11:33 PM

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Being against the Republican Party does not make you a partisan anyways, and to argue such shows a complete misunderstanding of the word. Partisan in how we use the term means an advocate for one of the two major parties, because they are the only ones that count (unfortunately it is a two party system). Being anti one party does not mean you are default a proponent of the other.

I do not really like the platforms of either party, although I may dislike one party slightly less than I dislike the other.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 3:20:34 PM

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What religious groups are so powerful as to be some kind of threat ? Inquiring right wing nut jobs would like to know.

"The comparison to the Taliban is precise and totally" *unjustified* " If one takes into account the murders of doctors who perform abortions and the bombings of abortion clinics, there's a convergence of operational tactics as well as outlooks"

How often does this sort of thing happen ? It seems to me it's a relatively few idiots and isolated instances, not some powerful religious conspiracy.

Research Christian Reconstructionism aka Dominionism, D. James Kennedy, Howard Ahmanson and the Chalcedon Foundation for starters.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 3:35:54 PM

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This is a good comparison.

No where do you see attempts to impose religious dogma here, other than from fundie-rightists.

No where do you see this crap defended, other than from righties.

It`s arrogance,anti-intellectualism,pseudo morality and nastiness are similar too.

Fundies are fundies,whether they are Christian or Muslim.

The settlers on occupied land in Palestine who say god gave them that land, are just another form of fundie radical.

This, is extreme.

And like the extreme GOP medicare cuts,folks don`t like it.

Notice how they hold everything else hostage to this? They can`t pass this crap on it`s own merits?

People don`t like extremists.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 4:09:18 PM

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With a Mormon, you KNOW what you're getting.

And what might that be, Fargle?

Crazies who are really polite, but still on the same philosophical ground as the damned Hubbardites...

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 4:41:02 PM

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What religious groups are so powerful as to be some kind of threat ? Inquiring right wing nut jobs would like to know.

"The comparison to the Taliban is precise and totally" *unjustified* " If one takes into account the murders of doctors who perform abortions and the bombings of abortion clinics, there's a convergence of operational tactics as well as outlooks"

How often does this sort of thing happen ? It seems to me it's a relatively few idiots and isolated instances, not some powerful religious conspiracy.

Research Christian Reconstructionism aka Dominionism, D. James Kennedy, Howard Ahmanson and the Chalcedon Foundation for starters.

Ok I get it, but powerful ??? The Christian Taliban ?? I'm not worried. These guys are like those idiots, Westboro Baptists protesting at veterans funerals. I don't like too much religion having influence in the Republican party but I don't see the Christian Coalition and these Reconstructionism / Dominionism assholes being the same. I did some research as you suggested and I don't think we will be executing people for blasphemy any time soon. There are plenty of wack job groups out there liberal and conservative to go around.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 6:32:03 PM

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you can ,if you choose,brand them as usurpers of the traditions and planks the GOP used to stand for....but you can not claim that they are not,as now constituted,the Republican Party.

Well let's step back a bit. Because I'm not trying to say that you're "wrong". I see your point. It's my point that I'm not making very well. Let me try again.

I have seen a tear form in the eye of a World War II vet as he watched a screaming bunch of Americans demonstrate by burning the Flag. He would surely rather they'd have found a different way to express their rage. But he still defended their right to do it. I have seen family members deeply saddened over the decision of a relative to have an abortion. They would so much rather she'd have made a different choice. They would have supported her, helped with the baby. But they still supported her, and her right to make that decision.

Now, when you contrast that with a pack of crazies waving Bibles who are out to impose "God's Law" on the country, I think there's a fairly stark difference.

There's no argument that having a bunch of these latter types running around calling themselves "conservatives" and wrapping themselves in the banner of the Republican Party puts a brush in the hand of anyone who wants it with which to tar the whole lot, Republicans as a class, and conservatives in general. And yes, if the Republican Party is ever going to reconstitute itself, the burden falls on it to get rid of these nuts, not on you to "play nice." Consequences are consequences. Life's a bitch like that.

But the first step in getting rid of them is to identify them and call a spade a spade. It seems to me that what's happening isn't just bad for the Republican Party, it's bad for the country. I'm not trying to argue that you're "wrong". I'm just trying to say that I don't think it's productive. I don't think it makes things better. I don't see a solution down that road.

K.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 6:42:52 PM

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The reason paleo-con McCain selected neo-con/fundie Sarah Palin is that they don`t believe they can win w/out the other.

If the party spits(and it looks like it`s going that way),this type of extreme legislation and dirty tactics with be one of the main reasons.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 6:47:12 PM

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McCain didnt select Palin

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 6:48:05 PM

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 7:29:19 PM

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"The comparison to the Taliban is precise and totally justified " If one takes into account the murders of doctors who perform abortions and the bombings of abortion clinics, there's a convergence of operational tactics as well as outlooks"

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lovmuffin
How often does this sort of thing happen ? It seems to me it's a relatively few idiots and isolated instances, not some powerful religious conspiracy.

If you take into account that there are c1.5 Muslims worldwide, the Taliban are "a relatively few idiots ... not some powerful religious conspiracy". Even in Afghanistan or Pakistan, the only two areas where the Taliban operates, their numbers are relatively small.

The Afghani Taliban's political/military power comes from (a) they are the only non-corrupt political force in Afghanistan, (b) their influence in the Pushtun tribe, the largest and dominant tribe (c) support from Pakistani ISI (d) alliances of convenience with other warlords and drug traffickers (e) Afghani nationalists who oppose a foreign presence and (f) in rural Afghanistan, the mullah is often the only literate person in the village/region.

The Taliban is not a single monolith - it encompasses a wide range of views from moderate anti-corruption nationalists, through to fundamentalists- but is an alliance dominated and led by fundamentalists, much like the Religious Right in the USA (and to a lesser extent here in Australia. We have a religious right but fortunately, it has minimal influence.)

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 9:38:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
What religious groups are so powerful as to be some kind of threat ? Inquiring right wing nut jobs would like to know.

"The comparison to the Taliban is precise and totally" *unjustified* " If one takes into account the murders of doctors who perform abortions and the bombings of abortion clinics, there's a convergence of operational tactics as well as outlooks"

How often does this sort of thing happen ? It seems to me it's a relatively few idiots and isolated instances, not some powerful religious conspiracy.

Research Christian Reconstructionism aka Dominionism, D. James Kennedy, Howard Ahmanson and the Chalcedon Foundation for starters.

Ok I get it, but powerful ??? The Christian Taliban ?? I'm not worried. These guys are like those idiots, Westboro Baptists protesting at veterans funerals. I don't like too much religion having influence in the Republican party but I don't see the Christian Coalition and these Reconstructionism / Dominionism assholes being the same. I did some research as you suggested and I don't think we will be executing people for blasphemy any time soon. There are plenty of wack job groups out there liberal and conservative to go around.

Apparently believing in conspiracy theories is infectious. Honestly Kirata used to be relatively sane...or at least put up a good front till now.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/30/2011 9:58:12 PM

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Willbur
Apparently believing in conspiracy theories is infectious. Honestly Kirata used to be relatively sane...or at least put up a good front till now.

Willbur darling, compared to you Kirata - well just about everyone in fact - is a positive paragon of sanity. A mountain of sanity.

Now back to your war toys like a good little boy. It's Tuesday today. Isn't that play nuke day for you? Which country are you hoping to exterminate today?

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/31/2011 12:04:15 AM

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Ok I get it, but powerful ??? The Christian Taliban ?? I'm not worried.

The magazine Campaigns and Elections has published two studies evaluating the relative strength of the Religious Right in state Republican Parties. The studies were directed by John C. Green, professor of political science and director of the Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at The University of Akron. The color-coded maps [below] demonstrate a shift from the year 1994 (top) to the year 2000 (bottom). Red is strong, green moderate, and yellow weak. The study's conclusion... considerable movement in all categories.

Source: Theocracy Watch: War on Secular Society

AlterNet had a piece on the subject back in 2004, aptly titled, The Christian Taliban. More recently, the Huffington Post published a piece on the extent to which these groups have extended their tentacles into the military: The Gamble Report

Whether or not you want to worry is up to you. But it seems to me worthwhile to know what's going.

K.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/31/2011 7:16:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
What religious groups are so powerful as to be some kind of threat ? Inquiring right wing nut jobs would like to know.

"The comparison to the Taliban is precise and totally" *unjustified* " If one takes into account the murders of doctors who perform abortions and the bombings of abortion clinics, there's a convergence of operational tactics as well as outlooks"

How often does this sort of thing happen ? It seems to me it's a relatively few idiots and isolated instances, not some powerful religious conspiracy.

Research Christian Reconstructionism aka Dominionism, D. James Kennedy, Howard Ahmanson and the Chalcedon Foundation for starters.

Ok I get it, but powerful ??? The Christian Taliban ?? I'm not worried. These guys are like those idiots, Westboro Baptists protesting at veterans funerals. I don't like too much religion having influence in the Republican party but I don't see the Christian Coalition and these Reconstructionism / Dominionism assholes being the same. I did some research as you suggested and I don't think we will be executing people for blasphemy any time soon. There are plenty of wack job groups out there liberal and conservative to go around.

Then you didn't do enough research. D. James Kennedy in particular is extremely influential in the modern RR. People who worked for him at the start of their careers are employed in senior positions throughout the RR and the GOP. Ahmanson's funding of the Disovery Institutue is the sole reason that the DI can push religion into science classes across the nation.

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/31/2011 9:26:50 AM

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Whether or not you want to worry is up to you. But it seems to me worthwhile to know what's going.

K.

Got it.......

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/31/2011 9:52:25 AM

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With a Mormon, you KNOW what you're getting.

And what might that be, Fargle?

Crazies who are really polite, but still on the same philosophical ground as the damned Hubbardites...

To be fair, I don't think the Mormons are even more litigation happy than Metallica, unlike the Cof$...

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/31/2011 9:56:26 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4HPdWYwgyw&feature=fvst

and for you specifically Moonster:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7OuyNCxuQ

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/31/2011 10:10:52 AM

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One it is a private school and can set any standards they want to, no one is required to go there.

Christian Madrassas? Here in this country? Say it ain't so!

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RE: Republican Taliban continue trying to impose Republ... - 5/31/2011 10:19:05 AM

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Apparently believing in conspiracy theories is infectious. Honestly Kirata used to be relatively sane...or at least put up a good front till now.

Someone flips closed the bible, and he is immediately thrown under the Republican bus?

I think I found a spade.

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