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need advice - 5/13/2006 7:42:26 AM   
notaclue


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thanks for reading this post and i hope you can help me out of my predicament.

up until about 2 months ago i had no interest at all in this. i started seeing a girl from uni who i had been good friends with for nearly 2 years. after about 1 month i could tell there was something wrong. she said she had something to tell me and that she was reluctant to as she didnt want me to run away. she had fear in her eyes as she told me she was into BDSM. i replyed it didnt bother me and that i loved her regardless.
Nothing more was said on the subject for quite a while until this week when we were in the garden enjoying the sun and i asked her if she would teach me how to do it. She explained it was more than "it" and it takes time to learn. I was happy with that and we had a good talk about it when she revealed she was a sub. She said as a sub she doesnt know much about the techniques employed on her and that if i wanted i could talk to one of her friends. I was happy with this until she told me he was a former partner. This worried me as i feelt unhappy about talking to some guy about acts performed on my girlfriend. She said she would be happy to find me someone else to talk to about it, but would then have to go through it all again to she how she preferes it.
We have decided to put the topic on hold while i think about it.

Will anyone give me advice on the area, inparticular if I was right not to want to talk to a former partner about it and whether i am taking the right actions.

Any replies will be greatly welcomed and recieved with the warmest thanks.
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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 7:47:03 AM   
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A great beginner's guide can be found at http://www.castlerealm.com   That is where I got started when I was introduced to this lifestyle, then I took it from there.

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 7:52:23 AM   
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It is a very good learning site! 

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 7:53:06 AM   
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Hi, there, hon!

The BDSM world can be an odd place.  In vanilla life, innocence and ignorance are charming; in this life it seems that knowledge is a great deal more valuable.

Maybe you could attend local clubs or functions - do a web search, and ask the groups if they have anything for beginners (because if you stumble onto some stuff too soon, you might be grossed out and turned off).

Once you've witnessed and experienced some of what is possible, I bet you'll have fewer inhibitions about talking to her former partner.  God knows I've got fewer inhibitions than I did even four months ago...

Good luck!

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 7:58:34 AM   
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http://www.xeromag.com/fvbdsm.html
 
http://www.thebrc.net/
 
www.cuffs.com
 
www.bondage.com
 
www.alt.com
 
These are all very good free sites. I suggest the top one first if you are very new to the concept of BDSM. It approaches it from a common sense standpoint, and answers many questions a newbie would have before they even ask it.
 
Best wishes, and feel free to post in person if you want clarification to anyone's answers... we're all here to help.
 
 

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:00:47 AM   
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http://pittsburghleather.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=1&Itemid=2

Articles for newcomers to the lifestyle



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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:01:46 AM   
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I must be tired, because for once I agree with what everyone has suggested so far. But as far as the " going through it all again " part, learning a new partner is half the fun.

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:01:48 AM   
notaclue


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thanks for all the advice so far.
i have seen some strange stuff on the net and to be honest some of it worries me!!
quick question to Clothespingirl (or to anyone else who knows) what does that circular symbol under your name stand for? my girlfriend has one tattooed inbetween her shoulders.


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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:09:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: notaclue
thanks for all the advice so far.
i have seen some strange stuff on the net and to be honest some of it worries me!!
quick question to Clothespingirl (or to anyone else who knows) what does that circular symbol under your name stand for? my girlfriend has one tattooed inbetween her shoulders.


It's the BDSM symbol....here is a link that explains it.

http://members.aol.com/quagmyr/meaning.htm

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:15:49 AM   
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Nota,

Why are you uncomfortable with talking to him?  Remeber he is her "former" partner, if she wanted him she would still be there and not with you.

Just a thought,  there are many things that having someone show you is better than any reading you can do, especially in the technical areas. 

K

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:39:22 AM   
notaclue


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the former partner issue makes me feel very uncomfortable. i seem to get jealous very easily, not something i like or am proud of, it just happens.

that was good advice about it and makes me feel quite a bit better, thanks

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:50:30 AM   
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Welcome to this wonderfull 'lifestyle.' I suggest that you get "Screw The Roses, Send Me the Thorns..." its a great book and its an easy read. The book talks to you, like a friend in the 'know' would. If you want to stay online then www.castlerealm.com  is a good place, but personally, I would rather have a book tha I can loook at and referance too whenever I need or want to. Thats me though, I LOVE books and something that I can go back to without having to have a computer near by is the best thing.

I did wish to commend you for being so open minded about what she told you, as others can attest to, its not always welcomed or taken so well by vanilla partners.

We all have 'former partners' that guided us in some way throught the initial steps, we learn and we grow and if its destined, we move on.

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:52:54 AM   
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If you are just worried about being jealous, don't worry. Any Dom with his salt, is going to be understanding. I would talk with the former, as well as read whatever you can. I agree if she was still interested in Former, that would be where she was.... Besides, just former doesn't have to mean "boyfriend", on this side of the coin, they could have had just a working relationship.... Learn and grow, which you are doing. It is the best that you can do...

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 9:06:17 AM   
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as rose so well put,  we all have former partners.

Snce they are still friends, I would think she is comfortable with him, which would make it easy for her.  The techical aspecst such as rope bondage, whips, floggers, can be much easier to learn with assistance.  I taught myself how to use a flogger, but having help from a knowledgable individual would have been quicker and easier.

The menatl part in all honesty, you either have it in you or you don't.  Reading and research can help you find those places within you and give you direction on bringing them to the surface.

Good luck

K

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:08:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: notaclue

the former partner issue makes me feel very uncomfortable. i seem to get jealous very easily, not something i like or am proud of, it just happens.

that was good advice about it and makes me feel quite a bit better, thanks



Learning to control yourself is one of the most important things that any dominant can learn. This means things like not yelling or criticizing but explaining very calmly what infraction was made (sometimes many times) and if necessary personally showing the sub how you want a task carried out or how you would prefer that they handle a situation. This jealousy thing is going to have to be the first to go...it means that you're insecure about your own position in the relationship...not a good starting point at all.
I do agree that learning to dominate her from an old boyfriend is probably not the best way to go about it but another dom as a mentor/ confidante may be a way to go. Just about any book by John Warren or on www.greenerypress.com would be a good starting point. Castle realm is a site that I frequently will send newbies or both sides too. It has a good amount of informative information for making both sides work. There are some things that can't be learned from books and are dangerous to even try on a live body without education, flogging and caning for example. This is where having a mentor can come in handy.

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 8:20:07 PM   
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You also have another bonus with this girl, you already know her. You have a friendship/relationship already. She is already a sub. When/if you decide you want to try the lifestyle, she can be a big help.
Start out slowly, you dont have to have all the answers the first few times, you can learn and grow as you go.
Read thru those links they gave you, really. Then  add the ones that really interest you  to your favorites and go back and reread them. Maybe you will find alot of things that DO interest you, we all have our deep kinks.
Good Luck, have FUN!!!!

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RE: need advice - 5/13/2006 9:02:29 PM   
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quote:

I do agree that learning to dominate her from an old boyfriend is probably not the best way to go about it but another dom as a mentor/ confidante may be a way to go.


I agree with that wholeheartedly. Another great thing about finding collarme right off the bat is that you have a lot of real lifestylers here that will be honest and upfront with answering questions and helping.
 
One thing I feel that I have to point out is that the lifestyle isnt learned in a day, week, month, year... its is a constant learning process and everyone that we meet teaches us something new. I know being new is so hard because you want to learn it all in just a short period of time, its not going to happen though because as wel learn we grow and we change, what we had concerns with before seem so odd as we move past them. Things we might have said in the past we would never do, become things we might now enjoy. Just try not to get caught up in anyones one sided this is the way the BDSM works, because thats bull.... This lifestyle grows and changes with us, and is what we make of it and what we need from it, the universal tie is we all have the need to either Control or be controlled which brings us all together. There are people in this lifestyle that come from all backgrounds of life itsself and it is truly one of the most open places to learn about yourself and what your needs are and how to get them met.
 
No this lifestyle isnt for everyone but those of us who have found our way in here are usually the better for it.
 
Another thing, you have to talk with her find out what her likes and dislikes are within the BDSM, find out what kind of submissive she is ( yes there are many types, and dont let that scare you off ) but understanding her is the biggest step you'll take. If after finding out what her likes and dislikes are and learning about the lifestyle more yourself you feel that it is something you wish to try with her then by all means find a mentor and some good friends and dont be afraid to ask questions to them or of them, most real BDSMers will gladly help you and teach you the ropes ( so to speak heh ). We were all new at one point and we all remember how it was to kind of feel like the odd man out because we were unsure of ourselves or felt we lacked the knowledge to participate, but what I have learned is that its the being open and being willing to try and putting the attention into learning that has had the biggest rewards.
 
Jealousy has no place here, yes I understand that there is a primal need to protect and to covet what is your own, but you can do that much more effectively by getting into her head than by being a brute and puffing up your chest and saying no no mine..... Thats a turn off to some degrees. ( yes its cute to have a man stake his claim but not in a fashion that is demeaning to the partner, which is what jealousy is, it means you either arent secure with her or you arent secure with yourself, both of which are things that you must recognize and change because trust is the basis and foundation to all relationships not just ones in the lifestyle)
 
Let me add too that the BDSM ( contrary to what the media says) isnt all about sexual kinks or leather clad girls and boys in collars and leashes. Yes that is a PART of the BDSM but thats not the truth to it. The BDSM is a world of control, controlling yourself and controlling another. ( From the Dominant stand point) There is a level of trust and commitment that is so much more deeply felt and realized than in a "vanilla" relationship. There is a need on the part of a submissive that is filled by being controlled and their contentment is found in serving someone else, there is also a need on the part of a dominant that is filled by taking control of a little one, and also a deep felt satisfaction in watching that little one grow in their submission.
 
I know this is turning into a book but there is one more thing I wanted to share that I thought was so awesome the first time I read it, and it encompasses the Dominant submissive relationship so well that I thought it just needed to be here too.....
 

He is the Master ........ she is His clay .....


a couple visiting Europe was window shopping and came cross a quaint antique shop ... In this shop, they saw a beautiful teacup. It was unlike any other they had ever seen. They said "May we see that? We've never seen one quite so beautiful." 
As the Master handed it to them, suddenly the teacup spoke.
"You don't understand", it said. "I haven't always been a teacup. There was a time when I was a peice of old, hard red clay. My Master took me and rolled me and patted me over and over and
I yelled out, 'Let me alone!' But He only smiled and said,      'Not yet.' ....
Then I was placed on a spinning wheel, and suddenly I was spun around and around and around.
'Stop it! I'm getting dizzy!' I screamed,
but the Master only nodded and said, Not yet.'
Then He put me in the oven. I never felt such heat. I wondered why He wanted to burn me and I yelled and knocked at the door. I could see Him through the opening and I could read his lips as
He shook His head 'Not yet.'
Finally, the door opened, He put me on the shelf and I began to cool. 'There, that's better,' I said. Then He brushed and painted me all over. The fumes were horrible. I thought I would gag.
'Stop it, stop it!' I cried. He only nodded. 'Not yet.'
And suddenly He put me into another oven, not like the first time. This was twice as hot and I knew I would suffocate. I begged, pleaded, screamed, cried, all the time I could see him through the opening, shaking His head saying 'Not yet.'
Then I knew there wasn't any hope. I would never make it. I was ready to give up. But the door opened and He took me out and placed me on the shelf. One hour later, He handed me a mirror and said
'Look at yourself.' and I did.
I said 'That's not me, that couldn't be me. It's beautiful. I'm beautiful.'
'I want you to remember' He said,
'I know it hurts to be rolled and patted, but if I had left you alone, you would have dried up. I know it made you dizzy to spin around on the wheel, but if I had stopped, you would have crumbled. I knew it hurt and it was hot and disagreeable in the oven, but if I hadn't put you in there, you would have cracked. I know the fumes were bad when I brushed and painted you all over, but if I hadn't done that, you never would have hardened. You would not have had any color in your life. And if I hadn't put you in that second oven, you wouldn't have survived for very long because the hardness would not have held. Now you are
a finished product.
You are what I had in mind when I first began with you.'"
 



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RE: need advice - 5/14/2006 12:34:49 AM   
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Listening to other people describe how they had dominated a previous partner would not necessarily be the best way to learn.  My advice would be to read as much as possible, decide at which point you are going to start, ie sexual domination or service domination for a starter.  Just try out small things at a time, hair pulling, gentle bondage. Small steps.  You will learn how to do things by watching her while you play and coming to know what her whimpers etc mean.  It is the best way to learn about someones reactions.  Who cares what he did with her or how he dominated her, she is yours, make the most of learning to Dominate - your way.  But dont do unsafe things, hence the importance of reading

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RE: need advice - 5/14/2006 12:48:41 AM   
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alt.com is not a good site. it's impossible to use unless you pay exorbitant fee's a month. Most people there are just there for sex. and the message forrums are over run with spam like who's horny.


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ORIGINAL: Calandra

http://www.xeromag.com/fvbdsm.html
 
http://www.thebrc.net/
 
www.cuffs.com
 
www.bondage.com
 
www.alt.com
 
These are all very good free sites. I suggest the top one first if you are very new to the concept of BDSM. It approaches it from a common sense standpoint, and answers many questions a newbie would have before they even ask it.
 
Best wishes, and feel free to post in person if you want clarification to anyone's answers... we're all here to help.
 
 

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RE: need advice - 5/14/2006 12:53:12 AM   
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I'd take a pass on the former dominant, not because of jealousy, but because I'd want to do things MY way, not someone else's way.  Take it slow, one step at a time.  No one is expecting you to start out full throttle.  Ask her what her favorite activities are, whether it's bondage, spanking, flogging, so forth.  Set out to learn about those particular things.  Move on from there. 

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