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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/4/2011 10:07:06 PM

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Does this change the way we think about having a classed society? Why or why not?

No, because most people can't even detach from their conditioning enough to climb out of the partisan sandbox. So we're a long way from evolving as a species.

Did the NG special touch upon structural violence too? Or that the more stratified a society becomes, the more aberrated behavior its inhabitants will exhibit?

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/4/2011 10:38:46 PM

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Did the NG special touch upon structural violence too? Or that the more stratified a society becomes, the more aberrated behavior its inhabitants will exhibit?

The concentrated on the British Civil Servants because they have a highly stratified work environment, but they all have the same healthcare, to show how different life is for those at the bottom compared to those at the top from a health standpoint.

It was a good documentary.... it covered far more than that, but it only hinted at structural violence.

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/4/2011 10:44:01 PM

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The concentrated on the British Civil Servants because they have a highly stratified work environment, but they all have the same healthcare, to show how different life is for those at the bottom compared to those at the top from a health standpoint.

It was a good documentary.... it covered far more than that, but it only hinted at structural violence.

Thanks, I'll try to give it a look.

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/4/2011 10:51:20 PM

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This seems to be the one, if anyone is interested in watching the free documentary:

STRESS, PORTRAIT OF A KILLER

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/5/2011 12:12:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: subfever

This seems to be the one, if anyone is interested in watching the free documentary:

STRESS, PORTRAIT OF A KILLER

It's worth a look.

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/5/2011 7:29:59 AM

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Thanks for posting a link to it!

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/5/2011 8:15:50 AM

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There are numerous issues related to class, minorities in every culture tend to suffer about a ten point IQ deficit - rightwingers don't tend to like to hear this, because they're enamored of alternative 18th century racial superiority hypotheses based on blood/breeding/genetics, etc. - i.e., I first began investigating this when Murry and Herrnstein's The Bell Curve came out, which argued that Whites were genetically superior to Blacks based on this 10 point deficit, although it dismissed the fact that Asian Americans have an average IQ 10 points higher than the average WASP - sadly, this didn't stop them from publishing the whole Thousand plus page book for me to wade through, and there were a lot of otherwise sensible people appearing to buy into it.

Restak's The Brain, which came out in the 1980's, well before The Bell Curve, explores these issues in depth - better nutrition, for example, leads to more active children who in turn, tend to get more social interaction, which stimulates brain development - malnourished children tend to be listless, and their mental development suffers.

It mentions a study in Scotland where all class differences were eventually narrowed down to nutrition, and malnourishment also appears to negatively affect the ability to cope with stress later in life, as another study I linked to in another thread mentioned, I'll dig it up if you want.

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/5/2011 8:30:18 AM

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I remember The Bell Curve, and he did not fail to mention that Asians scored higher than whites, he also noted that Jews scored higher than anyone. It was a rather alarming book, and I do not remember anyone of any stature buying into it. It was completely rebuked by notable anthropologists.

IQ tests are culturally skewed towards favoring white people. It is one reason why they are not administered by the school system today. So on that basis alone, The Bell Curve was flawed.

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/5/2011 8:35:55 AM

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They did mention it, it was dismissed in like a 2 page chapter in a thousand page book.

I was going to community college at the time and some of my instructors did buy into it, that's why I checked it out to begin with.

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/5/2011 8:39:13 AM

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Pollution has a lot to do with it too - poor people tend to live in the inner city, or in places where toxic runoff is higher - lead, among other things tends to accumulate in inner cites, just from the years of exhaust fumes from back in the days before unleaded gasoline.

In one study of a housing project in Chicago, the residents facing the highway had average IQ ten points lower than those facing the lake, where a steady breeze kept the exhaust fumes from accumulating.

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/5/2011 8:46:18 AM

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Also nutrition has a lot to do with it.

I have seen almost every kind of racist diatribe you can imagine, including those who measured the inside of cranial cavities to measure the brains of different groups to "prove" white people are smarter

. Under this hypothesis Neanderthal was smarter than any of us, and so are gorillas.

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RE: Stress and Hierarchy - 6/5/2011 9:08:01 PM

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