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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 6:12:22 AM   
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I am not sure why folks are jumping to say this Comet represents doomsday, I didnt see anything saying that. However if a bunch of useless folks get swept away, wave buh-bye to the nice lady.


You said it represents doomsday when you said it meant no food. water, electricity, transportation etc.


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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 6:13:51 AM   
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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 6:15:51 AM   
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Beer ! That is the end of the world.

*snicker*

Are you telling me that losing beer trumps losing the remote control?



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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 6:35:33 AM   
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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 6:39:30 AM   
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Term, you always manage to make me laugh...and that's a good thing.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 9:52:27 AM   
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To the OP, whoever wrote that article failed physics 101.

That comet will gravitationally affect the earth about as much as a gnat's fart in Ethiopia will cause tornadoes in Kansas.


Oh yeah? Gross analogoy.

They are saying all the stuff going on already has been a result of this so...

You have proof this is not true?

Maybe this comet will be very subjectively selective and grab up, demolish only bullshit that needs a good washing, that would be fun to watch as long as I have my crap in order.


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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 10:02:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		heartcream dear, one of the basic concepts of all physics, is gravitational pull, based on mass and density.The more an object has of both, the more it's gravitational pull shall be. A comet able to create such a massive effect on Earth, or any planet for that matter, would need to be at least the size of Mars, to begin with. Given the distance it will be from Earth, within it's closest proximity trajectory point, even if it was as big as Mars, it would still be too small, and too far, to cause that level of effect. Additionally, comets are never as dense as planets. Their spectacular tail, is a trail of dissolved, molten materials that were part of the comet. As the comet reaches closer to stars, the heat and gravitational pull, cause these bits to melt, burn and detach from the comet. What does that mean for us Earthlings? We are fortunate enough to be close to the sun, which means that most comets will accelerate, and start burning, before they get too close.
I could go on for a really long monologue as to why the science within the source text lacks value and credibility, but I'm going to stop it here

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 11:00:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly I dont give a hoot about science, non-science. I think there are things that can happen that defy all logic in a heartbeat. Ultimately it all sounds like potential blah blah blah to me. People feeling they have all the information they need and no new information is coming in have always been the sorts of people to hold people and things down and out and I really dont care about that whole mindset.

Like I said so many times, we will see what happens. If nothing happens, cool beans, but it still wont make me believe that it is all said and done because science, physics, people, says this or that.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 11:10:34 AM   
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Use the pdf link given in the OP:

http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/support-files/comet-elenin-planet-x-here-now.pdf


Then go down to page six (as indicated in the pdf tool bar).

Near the top of the page is a paragraph:

"Now that we have found a well-hidden JPL animation of the course this comet/planet is on, we could
go so far as to say it is likely to happen next September, when Comet X (Elenin) is much closer than it
has been so far. There might also be some really major earthquakes in June."

Click on the underlined words and you will be sent to the official looking but functioning JPL site.

Once there, click on 'Orbit Diagram.'

But since nobody could figure even that much out, I'll just bring it right here:


                      C/2010 X1 (elenin) Classification: Hyperbolic Comet SPK-ID: 1003113 Classification: Hyperbolic Comet SPK-ID: 1003113
[ Ephemeris | Orbit Diagram | Orbital Elements | Physical Parameters | Close-Approach Data ] [ Ephemeris | Orbit Diagram | Orbital Elements | Physical 
Parameters | Close-Approach Data ]

[ show orbit diagram ] [Show orbital diagram]


OK, I'll make it even easier than that. Just try this one:

Orbit Diagram


Anyway, assuming the gravity wave is a non-issue, there still might be a nice meteor shower around Nov. 5th. Use the toggle button to advance to the date, and that's where Earth will cross the tail of the comet having passed through 2 weeks prior.







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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 11:51:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		All very interesting. I'm in the wait-and-see bleachers. I've been alive through all sorts of predictions like this. When I was young, I'd have anxiety attacks about them. Now that I've lived through so many that haven't actually transpired, I'm a little more skeptical.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 8:08:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of people have not lived through all sorts of catastrophes of late, and/or lost more than we could imagine.

I hope nothing awful happens, and will feel really happy if it amounts to no destruction and death. Something could happen at any time to anyone, we all sort of realize that. Does it seem things seem to be accelerating and bad things happening on a huger level?

My hope is that if a comet does come ripping through our atmosphere it only wrecks crappy shit and leaves everything gorgeous and beautiful unscathed.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 8:17:03 PM   
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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 8:18:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to blame the news media for making it seem as though everything is much more disastrous these days. Their job is to whip people into a frenzy, to get them to be upset about whatever it is they want them upset about. This is why I avoid all of that now.

One of the last times I watched news on television was during the West Nile Virus to-do. I was living in Washington State. While I was watching some primetime programming one night, they kept coming on & announcing that Washington State had their first case of West Nile Virus & the implication was that it had spread up there from the South somehow & we were all going to get it. So, like an idiot, I stayed up to watch the news that night. It started at 11pm. At about 11:26 or so, they finally got to the story. Turns out some guy who lived in Eastern Washington had been visiting in the South & had been bitten by a mosquito carrying the virus & had come home sick with it. I turned off the news in utter disgust & will now walk out of the room if someone insists on watching it.

Yes it's true that some people haven't survived some disasters of late, but this has been going on on this planet since the dawn of time. People have tried for millenia to predict disasters with not really very much luck. And how will it change my life or my decisions if this one happens to come true? Not one iota. I refuse to be used as a pawn.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 8:23:40 PM   
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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 8:48:33 PM   
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Yes it's true that some people haven't survived some disasters of late, but this has been going on on this planet since the dawn of time. People have tried for millenia to predict disasters with not really very much luck. And how will it change my life or my decisions if this one happens to come true? Not one iota. I refuse to be used as a pawn.

There was an article on the "10 disaster proof places" to live. Except they werent disaster proof, there were still disasters, just fewer of them. Now I like the idea of living someplace disaster resistant(?) but all these were places i wouldnt be caught dead in. There can be risk no matter where you are.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 8:57:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I moved to San Francisco in 1989. There was an earthquake in the middle of the night during that summer that was big enough to wake me. When I realized that it was just an earthquake, I rolled over & went back to sleep. Then came the "Pretty Big One" that fall. And all of the aftershocks for what seemed like months. I never thought that I should run away. Yeah, it was fairly awful, but earthquakes happen.

There was a time in my life when I was younger that I allowed my fears & my anxieties to rule my life. I no longer allow that. When it's my time to go, it won't matter what I've done to try to prevent it. Just ask Howard Hughes.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 9:14:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

more new-age mumbo-jumbo


Hahaha seriously, this is your response? Cuh-razy!

Do find greenhouse gasses new age mumbo jumbo?

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 9:19:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		"heartcream dear, one of the basic concepts of all physics, is gravitational pull, based on mass and density."

Just a quickie, you fucked it up. It is only based on mass. Density only comes into play when you are very very close, like the moon that is 1/22nd the distance.

Really, density only comes into play if you are within about twenty diameters of the object. Otherwise it is negligible.

Really, it would have more effect on this planet if it were gas, but it would have to be HUGE. The reason for this is that in a larger less dense body of the same mass you are closer to SOME of that mass. That is not significant when you are talking 22 million miles.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 9:31:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know it seems to me there is more creepy stuff going on, places being hit left, right and center that heretofore have not had earthquakes, floods etc and predictions of new areas also being hit. They say we are more populated so that is why we experience it more. With the social networking being what it is we all hear about more tornadoes and stuff, before we didnt hear about it as much.

It feels accelerated to me, but if that is not really going on that would be really great. I feel bad for the folks in the way of these disasters, and hope they make out okay. Of course I prefer all that stays away from where people I love, and where I live. It makes sense that we have been living in a numbed out unconscious gluttonous way for decades that the consequences are manifesting. I like all the greening of our planet, like the doc Em2 shows how Beijing is really getting on top of the problems and hosts of other countries and people. It is heartening when we spend some time coming up with solutions instead of steady stomping all over the place, beating chests like we have a right to be stupid damaging, destructive dickheads.

The comet potentially being destructive is something different yet again. I hope it all works out cool either way.

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RE: Food for Thought - 5/31/2011 9:31:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I think there are things that can happen that defy all logic in a heartbeat."

You are correct because you are thinking of things than can be affected by people, or other organisms or whatever. The celestial movements are not among those things. Let's hope they never are.

The laws of equal and opposite forces, force vectors, the inverse square law, all of these things have been proven mathematically ever since Copernicus. They measure how fast a planet orbits the sun and can tell how far it is, but not it's mass. We orbit the sun therefore we can tell it's mass. We tell the mass of other planets most easily by the orbits of their moons, and these formulae hold true, every time. And when they don't another celestial boby is discovered. That's how they found Pluto.

That's thousands of years of proof. I am the greatest skeptic, but I ain't skeptin that.

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