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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 5/31/2011 8:52:00 PM

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everyone who was interested was very aware of it.

I guess it depends on how you define "troops", we have people on the ground.

The mission statemen is garbled and creeping. We are not just defending the rebels, but making War on the government. Not a No fly zone, but an assualt on CCC centers, with civilian causualties.

Why is it worth it to take sides in this civil war?

Why?

You mind providing links that prove that Americans are on the ground in Libya and helping the rebels?

Sure. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-03-31-gates-mullen-libya_N.htm No "boots on the Ground", but when questioned about trainers or CIA he caged, adn didn't give a straight answer. And the Media yawned and moved on.

It would be foolish to not have ops in the area.

Adn like I said it depends on what definiiton is used.

Now do you feel like answering my question? The one you ducked and asked me a question instead of answering?

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 5/31/2011 9:06:03 PM

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It is a fact that many Govts in Islamic countries are barbaric in their treatment of their own citizens, dictatorial and corrupt.

It is also the case that the opposition to these Govts includes Islamists in many instances. If they attain power Islamists will turn out to be equally barbaric. Look at the Taliban in Afghanistan and the mixed history of foreign support there.

It is also the case that many brutal undemocratic Govts in the ME enjoyed Western financial political and military support/assistance for many decades. To mention just a few: Bahrain, a Western allied absolute monarchy is treating its population with the same contempt as Syria's secular Baathist Govt. The situation in Saudi Arabia, a key Western ally, is appalling.

Is there any other viable approach other than general support for any genuinely democratic movement and judging matters on a case-by-case country-by-country basis? Our addiction to oil, the Israel/Palestine situation and a horror of Islamism has caused the West to turn a blind eye to savage repression and injustice in the region.

Isn't it time to put democracy and human rights first? The people of the region have rejected Islamism and dictatorship - they are demanding democracy human rights and accountable government. Isn't that the clear message of the 'Arab Spring'?

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 5/31/2011 9:20:05 PM

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Wilbe wants us to believe Arab Spring is a group, by his inference.

However, Arab Spring is a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protests that has been taking place in the Arab world since 18 December 2010.

He also infers by his statement that the entire group of people involved in these revolutions are committing systematic rape.

Wilbe is a typical conservative with his broad general statements about these groups of revolutionaries. Funny when you consider that most, if not all, of these movements are pro democracy.

1. Arab spring is wave of demonstrations....who exactly is doing that demonstrating? Are they capable of acting in a coordinated fashion?

2. ITS IMPLIES NOT INFERS. LEARN FUCKING ENGLISH

3. Ask CNN if they are or arent. Thats where the report I saw was.

Care to back up that statement with a link?

What part of "saw on CNN" dont you understand?

Gee, I can find printed stories from the cnn website to back up my statements, why can't you?

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 5/31/2011 9:34:02 PM

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What are the chances that Willbur's "What part of "saw on CNN" dont you understand?" means "No, I haven't got a link to back up my claims" when Willbur-speak gets translated into everyday English jlf?

FWIW my guess is that the chances are pretty good ......

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 2:11:55 AM

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I put no words in your mouth, what a ridiculous and trollish thing to say.

I pointed out you responded to facts that I consider pertininent, with personal attacks.

You didn't refute the factualness or argue for thier irrelevancy.

You insulted me.

I kind of doubt you know what debate actually is.

I didnt insult you, I said you were stupid, something you yourself said you viewed as a badge of honour.

As for the pertinentcy of Sanitys post. Did you actually read it ? The part where it said it was third hand ? Or the part that claimed that women had been made pregnant so Saddam and company could kill the resultant baby. Do you really wish to debate if such gibberish is relevant ?

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 2:16:09 AM

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Is that anger, "Politesub"?

Careful now, youre proving Ann Coulter correct!

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I find it hard to even try and stoop to your level. You are switching topic as per usual. Add to that the fact you are a halfwit, it becomes easy to see why I am so exasperated with you.

It is indeed anger Sanity, anger that the US education system can produce such halfwits.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 9:26:59 AM

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Is that anger, "Politesub"?

Careful now, youre proving Ann Coulter correct!

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I find it hard to even try and stoop to your level. You are switching topic as per usual. Add to that the fact you are a halfwit, it becomes easy to see why I am so exasperated with you.

It is indeed anger Sanity, anger that the US education system can produce such halfwits.

I bet he knows the difference between "infer" and "imply", so you don't represent the UK ed system very well.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 9:35:04 AM

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Except that you would be needing to take that up with JLF, lately of Texas, which doesn't say very much for your attention to detail, nor does it infer any factuality upon you, it implies that you are sort of unable to cogently and factually argue much of anything, really.

And it certainly doesn't speak to the efficacy of UK forms.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 9:38:35 AM

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He probably picked up on the difference between implying and inferring from that gag in the last series of Big Bang Theory anyway...

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 9:41:03 AM

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Alas, even insurance peddlers argue grand designs, hopelessly I warrant, nevertheless... free country and all that rot, this side of the pool.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 9:49:58 AM

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Scary stuf, but we shouldn't support rebels in these countries based on them being Islamic?
The story of a 13 year old boy...

Yeah, let's just let Al Qaeda promote freedom instead of the west. I ain't get over how much traction that stupid phrase 'islamo facism' has gotten ... and all by this little runt who looks like baby stalin who desperately tries to attribute all this 'coined phrase' shit to himself...It's like taking philosophy lessons from Fred Flintstone
But if we don't (and I mean the west et al) provide at least moral, diplomatic, and humanitarian support... we'd best get used to seeing those scenes unfolding.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 11:29:32 AM

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I bet he knows the difference between "infer" and "imply", so you don't represent the UK ed system very well.

This sums up your earlier post nicely. Just as well I didnt take up your offer of lessons huh.

in·fer
–verb (used with object)
1.
to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises or evidence: They inferred his displeasure from his cool tone of voice. 2.
(of facts, circumstances, statements, etc.) to indicate or involve as a conclusion; lead to. 3.
to guess; speculate; surmise.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 11:33:55 AM

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I bet he knows the difference between "infer" and "imply", so you don't represent the UK ed system very well.

This sums up your earlier post nicely. Just as well I didnt take up your offer of lessons huh.

in·fer
–verb (used with object)
1.
to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises or evidence: They inferred his displeasure from his cool tone of voice. 2.
(of facts, circumstances, statements, etc.) to indicate or involve as a conclusion; lead to. 3.
to guess; speculate; surmise.

Yes, the reader infers, the writer implies. Which you got wrong at least 3 times, even after I pointed it out to you.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 11:36:56 AM

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So you admit you implied Obama supported rapists. Thats what I infered you implied aint it boss.

Edited for typo

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 11:37:45 AM

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So you admit you implied Obama supported racists. Thats what I infered you implied aint it boss.

I "admit" that you don't know English very well. I don't give a fuck what you inferred that wasn't there.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 11:38:38 AM

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More random phrase generator issues, mnot?

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Alas, even insurance peddlers argue grand designs, hopelessly I warrant, nevertheless... free country and all that rot, this side of the pool.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 11:40:22 AM

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the role of infer and imply does not devolve to reader or writer, with any respect to their roles.

The implications of your lack of grammatical as well as reasoning skills leads me to infer you need to read up on that; you may infer from that what you wish.

You imply much but infer little, nor do you convince anyone with more than a brainstem of your profoundly misinformed use of ---'Englische as she is goodley spokene.'

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 11:42:39 AM

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More random phrase generator issues, mnot?

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Alas, even insurance peddlers argue grand designs, hopelessly I warrant, nevertheless... free country and all that rot, this side of the pool.

Nope, just above your pay grade cogitatively, as per usual.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 1:47:51 PM

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So you admit you implied Obama supported racists. Thats what I infered you implied aint it boss.

I "admit" that you don't know English very well. I don't give a fuck what you inferred that wasn't there.

Fuck his English: do you have anything to support this "Obama supports rapists" shit you haven't even had the decency to backtrack on, rather than trying to pretend you never said it?
Substantiate your claim, or retract it and apologise.

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RE: Atrocities in Islamic countries...against those tho... - 6/1/2011 1:56:04 PM

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Yeah, like the systematic rapes by Obama's buddies, the "Arab Spring". Must be spring fever.

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Willbe, how about providing sources to back up your claims that Obama is supporting rapists?

Clearly conservatives are not above lieing to prove a point.

Nor are liberals above intentionally misrepresenting what a conservative says. Try again if you want a response.

That's weird ...cause in ENGLISH most people would interpret a sentence like this one below using the phrase 'buddies' as you saying Obama supports rapists:

"Yeah, like the systematic rapes by Obama's buddies, the "Arab Spring". Must be spring fever."

But that's just me, I don't read in foreign languages, you silver-tongued foxian devil

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