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ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh

I have to agree.

Psychiatry likes to present itself as a science, but it meets very few of the standards necessary for genuine scientific knowledge or practice. It's important to remember that psychiatry is based on unproven theories. These are, of course, as valid as any other theory and people can choose to believe in them or not. But they are not facts. It has never been proven that we have an unconscious, that it manifests itself in dreams or that we have unconscious sexual desires. (I'm pretty conscious of what turns me on actually, lol.)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
what moral right do these people have to comment on the sexual practices of others ?

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
does psychiatry have a valid moral right to be delving into the sexual perversions of people, or are they overstepping their duties ?

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ORIGINAL: CreepyStalker

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
what moral right do these people have to comment on the sexual practices of others ?

When those sexual perversions are pathological, they have every right and responsibility to research and and hopefully find treatments. This is people's mental health we're talking about, not the things we're doing for fun. Not suggesting their aren't biases/ignorance/misuses involved, but psychiatric diagnoses and DSM criteria have very little to do with BDSM.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: CreepyStalker

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
what moral right do these people have to comment on the sexual practices of others ?

When those sexual perversions are pathological, they have every right and responsibility to research and and hopefully find treatments. This is people's mental health we're talking about, not the things we're doing for fun. Not suggesting their aren't biases/ignorance/misuses involved, but psychiatric diagnoses and DSM criteria have very little to do with BDSM.

So, have you ever questioned why it is you like what you like, your perversions, why them, and not others,

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for surely the psych profession can make suggestions, perhaps some of it founded and some of it unfounded, yet as a branch of medicine as you say, tell me, do they know everything, or is their approach to medicine made upon theories or actual fact ?

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Does it not occur those things that we like, we enjoy might have a root, a reason why we like them, or is it you are just concerned with what you like, not why you like and not consider the possibilities that what you like might be seen as a problem by the wrong professional eyes, if ever through whatever reason you manage to come under their beady eye.

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Hell, even masturbation was seen as a mental ilness at one time, and before that, the work of the devil, therefore could it be psychiatry just like religion can be an effective tool for use by those who dissaprove.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

After reading vast tracts of psychiatric papers and reports on the subject of sexual perversions, a question formed in my mind along the lines of what moral right do these people have to comment on the sexual practices of others ?  Moral right?  Do they claim any?  Or do they offer theories about "why"

Now I do understand such research is useful in the cases where distress or  harm is being created, be that physical or mental, that's why they do it..... but judging by the plethora of theories that exist, they are just theories, no hard and fast facts, so I question their value.  see above italics as to their value

But, I suppose, if we were to live in an ideal world, people and their perversions would be seen as just part of life, the live and let live scenario, but it seems we do not live in that idyll and we have a so called learned profession delving into the intimacies of others, perhaps even themselves via others, and that as I became aware a while in the past, many of the psychiatric profession possess psychiatric problems themselves and one whom I knew even said they entered the profession to understand themself, but is failing in that, as others are not themselves.

Now, my personal understanding of sexual perversion in myself is it is a question that needs and answer, so I may do what I do to gain that answer and then move onto the next question, but a lot of that has to do with my self defined spirituality, parallels of which I do not know if it exists elsewhere past, foreign or present. If I do not arrive at a satisfactory conclusion, the question takes a different method of approach (so you are devising theories, examining them, rejecting, developing others-which is what psych theorist do....) and that I see as my evolving interests, but whatever answer there is to be obtained, will be obtained in the best method possible, that of enjoyment and pleasure.

Sexual perversion (why do you call it perverse?)I view as the games adults play in order to well basically enjoy themselves as all work and no play makes jack a dull boy and dull in many ways, which can lead to problems the psych profession will be interested in. But also in that play is learning, for we need to learn and evolve as a result of that learning.  learning, evolving, also knows as postulating theories.....

But the impression I am arriving at is that the psych profession is seeking to define people based upon just happen to fit theories and theories that have no answer except uppers, downers and further analysis under duress - what the courts can do on the advice from the psychiatric profession.  theories that often seem to fit......and have many useful ideas in addition to uppers, downers and further methods of therapy-which is as someone pointed out-different that psycholanylis

So, what are your views, does psychiatry have a valid moral right to be delving into the sexual perversions of people, or are they overstepping their duties ?  what are their duties in your opinion?  Moral right?  do most psychiatrsts deal with moral? or mental health-which usually involves terms like consent, phrases like "do no harm" etc
cookie said it well: Some people are cocks. Some psychiatrists are people. Therefore, some psychiatrists are cocks.
Find a good one

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ORIGINAL: CreepyStalker
Psychiatry isn't a theory, it's a branch of medicine. You're confusing it with psychoanalysis.

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ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh

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ORIGINAL: CreepyStalker
Psychiatry isn't a theory, it's a branch of medicine. You're confusing it with psychoanalysis.

Actually my post applies equally to both sides of the profession. The medical side of psychiatry is as bad, if not worse, than than 'talking cure' side, if only because talking causes limited damage. Lobotomies and electric shock treatment never cured anything, and neither will the latest batch of treatments. Psychiatrists prescribe medicine to people who have never been shown to suffer from any physical illness, and without that medicine having been proven to cure any physical illness. It is dangerous and profit driven, and just as unscientific as the psychological side of psychiatry.

owned xxx

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So, what are your views, does psychiatry have a valid moral right to be delving into the sexual perversions of people, or are they overstepping their duties ?

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

what moral right do these people have to comment on the sexual practices of others ?