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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 7:15:43 PM   
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Go back to playing with your war toys you silly little boy.


Im curious why you keep repeating this. Do you think its funny? Clever? Demeaning? Your inability to actually say anything of substance and substituting the same thing over and over again is very telling, and entertaining for me, but must bore the shit out of anyone else.

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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 7:16:40 PM   
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The comments that impressed me most were:

" This isn't someone whose life is cut short. This is someone whose life is extended by living at home."

And:

Defense attorney Martin Jones: "Is it common for someone doing coroner's work to see someone who died of terminal skin failure?"

Fullerton: "It's not their bread and butter."

Jones: "Did my client do anything wrong?"

Fullerton: "I can't come up with something she did wrong. It makes me as a hospice medical director really kind of want to sit down with families when they're caregiving and make them realize what they're getting into.




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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 7:17:33 PM   
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Hey....WB O59, how was the trip to Ringwood?

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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 7:20:23 PM   
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No I don`t want a blow job......thanx anyway

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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 7:23:36 PM   
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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 7:41:37 PM   
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No I don`t want a blow job......thanx anyway

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What he meant was he's totally spent from his frolics with the Jackson Whites

Thanks for the editing O59, at least you have some function on this board.

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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 8:03:07 PM   
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"he's totally spent some his frolics with the Jackson Whites"

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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 8:14:26 PM   
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the part that says that going against her stated wishes could be considered elder abuse - if she's specifically said no additional measures to be taken. i'm with tweakabell in this. i was a community carer coordinator in aged care. the numbers of people that slide throught the cracks is unbelievable, and the vast majority would rather die than go into hospital or nursing homes. so it falls onto the family to look after them. by the time i got to them, the families are on the verge of breakdown, have lost their social contacts to keep their sanity and feel inordinate amounts of guilt to have someone come in to look after the family member, much less put them in resi care. i noticed that there were cousins who didn't feel she did her job waiting for a guilty verdict to come in. and yet the implication is that no one was coming in to relieve her in looking after her aunt. why is that? they want to blame her and share in any money that may be coming in for a criminal conviction, yet they wouldn't help her to look after the relative when she REALLY needed them. and if they DID visit, why didn't they arrange for dr, social worker, nurses to come in??

makes me vy glad i live over here now, sometimes. but especially when i see what the insurance companies have done to health care over there. it's just plain evil.



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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 8:17:13 PM   
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What do you expect with a diagnosis of dementia?
Confusion, duh. Did I say she should not have been?

Of COURSE she didnt trust Drs, she didnt trust anyone she didnt remember.
So it wasn't the lack of health care that was the problem, which is what I said.

The health care system failed both the patient and her niece with the lack of support and education that both needed, as evidenced by the outcome.
There comes a point when someone is so sick that you ignore their wishes and call for help. Now I don't know the niece so I can't say exactly why she didn't, but that was not the point of my response. People are trying to claim she couldn't get care because of our health care system and it didn't have anything to do with that.



I disagree...it did have something to do with our health care system. The help was there through government agencies, but how to access those agencies is damn difficult to find. If they were for profit agencies they would manage to get the word out there.


The hospital was close by and they knew where it was and how to get care there...

"Frances died in 2003. Ramona went three years later. Concha Lopez had watched her sisters die in medical facilities and made her family promise to spare her such an end."

She didn't want that. How is that the hospitals fault?



What part of "There comes a point when someone is so sick that you ignore their wishes and call for help." is confusing you.


the part that says this could be considered elder abuse - if she's specifically said no additional measures to be taken. i'm with tweakabell in this. i was a community carer coordinator in aged care. the numbers of people that slide throught the cracks is unbelievable, and the vast majority would rather die than go into hospital or nursing homes. so it falls onto the family to look after them. by the time i got to them, the families are on the verge of breakdown, have lost their social contacts to keep their sanity and feel inordinate amounts of guilt to have someone come in to look after the family member, much less put them in resi care. i noticed that there were cousins who didn't feel she did her job waiting for a guilty verdict to come in. and yet the implication is that no one was coming in to relieve her in looking after her aunt. why is that? they want to blame her and share in any money that may be coming in for a criminal conviction, yet they wouldn't help her to look after the relative when she REALLY needed them. and if they DID visit, why didn't they arrange for dr, social worker, nurses to come in??

makes me vy glad i live over here now, sometimes. but especially when i see what the insurance companies have done to health care over there. it's just plain evil.


I think you are misunderstanding the quote and my reason for repeating it. We agree.

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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/4/2011 8:22:53 PM   
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my apologies, i didn't remember i was attacking the whole quote thing. i was just about to go back and find the entry and edit the windows out of it....

and, btw, i have come across someone with bed sores (admittedly with nurses caring for her every other day) who lived on her own, who was totally coherent and would not allow me to do more than tell her what i felt was best for her. i had to then put in my case notes she'd been duly warned and i had been duly advised i was to do nothing more than i was already organising. i COULD NOT over rule her stated wishes. family also has the right to make this decision if it's noted that the patient had also asked for no measures to be taken. where this girl fell down in her 'duty of care' was to get it noted officially somewhere.

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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/5/2011 3:11:26 AM   
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No I don`t want a blow job......thanx anyway

Dayam I would have paid to see that



What he meant was he's totally spent from his frolics with the Jackson Whites

Thanks for the editing O59, at least you have some function on this board.



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Go back to playing with your war toys you silly little boy.


Im curious why you keep repeating this. Do you think its funny? Clever? Demeaning? Your inability to actually say anything of substance and substituting the same thing over and over again is very telling, and entertaining for me, but must bore the shit out of anyone else.


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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/5/2011 8:44:01 AM   
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Others have implied that the care was not available. According to the article they never sought help because the old lady didn't want it. Not sure why this is so fucking difficult for people to get
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May be because you are fucking wrong. Read the article again, most specifically the bottom of the first page to the top of the second.

And I will tell you something else, miss smarty bitch. The woman was diagnosed with dementia. The nurses gave up way too easy, the niece didnt know what she was in for, and no one followed up with this family from social sevices.

Now, explain to ME how that is not "health care system" failing this family. When you watch the only support you were supposed to need (the home health burses) walk away, who do you turn too?

And its bullshit that the old lady didnt want help. Guess what? Doesnt matter what she wanted. I cant tell you how many patients I have had to put in four point restraint just to give them a bed bath. It breaks your heart, but you do it.

Doesnt sound like anyone told the niece much of anything at all. The girl obviously cared for the woman.



I will continue this conversation when you can post like an adult and stop with the juvenile name calling. Oh and it might help if you didn't try to twist everyone's words to say things they didn't say.


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RE: Death of 91-year-old spotlights line between care a... - 6/5/2011 11:50:01 AM   
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Your choice. Enter a debate with foul language and its what you will get in return. Start looking to your own behavior as to the cause of what people post in response to you.

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