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RE: Common ground instead of bickering differences - 6/7/2011 11:36:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn



Lest it might have escaped notice, I think that Orion is just tired enough of the three useless Sarah Palin threads per day, and was wondering if anybody had anything meaningful to say.

I'd be with him on that one.




So am I, and now the flood of repetitive Weiner threads. You've possibly read one of my chastisements/complaints. And it seems like these days there are more bullshit "Nyah! Nyah! Your side sucks!" threads coming from my side, and not the right, and from only 3 or 4 posters, one of whom doesn't even live in the US. They do an absolutely atrocious job of representing Progressive politics, and I wish they would find some other medium through which they can express themselves. Perhaps fingerpaints or Play-Doh.


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RE: Common ground instead of bickering differences - 6/8/2011 1:25:55 AM   
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What if though Orion,republicans/conservatives use race baiting,call our President a communist,secrete Muslim(fear-mongering)make nazi associations(death-panels)other dirty tricks,etc.(and that`s just the GOP leadership)?Never mind the things neo-cons say about Obama and liberals in the MSM.

We shouldn`t respond and respond in kind?


No. You shouldn't. Dear God, you shouldn't.

The minute you say it's okay for you to do it, you're saying it's okay for them to do it. There is no difference between "right" and "left" large enough to justify that sort of behavior as okay only if one side does it.

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RE: Common ground instead of bickering differences - 6/8/2011 6:01:10 AM   
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What if though Orion,republicans/conservatives use race baiting,call our President a communist,secrete Muslim(fear-mongering)make nazi associations(death-panels)other dirty tricks,etc.(and that`s just the GOP leadership)?Never mind the things neo-cons say about Obama and liberals in the MSM.

We shouldn`t respond and respond in kind?


No. It is distraction from the issues that need to be resolved. Finger pointing and mud slinging solves nothing. That is the point of my OP.

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We are only just now standing up and fighting back,giving blow for blow after years of not responding.


Nothing personal really, but you are shwoing a good example of what is impeding the process of solution. What do you believe you are fighting back against? Is there anything more productive you could use that energy for, that would actually move to solutions? Those of us in the USA are all Americans, and I do not believe there is a single person I have come across that does not believe there are some serious problems. Finding that common ground on a single problem, then moving onto the next.

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You,Karita and Thaddeus are the only few conservatives with integrity who post here.One can expect a honest debate with no dirty tricks or trolling w/ nonsense relies(rich) from you three.


Thanks for that, but what is funny is that some of the extreme conservatives call me a liberal. I have utilized the block feature on a few people that show no interest in discussion, and instead seem to use these forums as a vocal playground. If more started ignoring those that troll and mudsling, then the rest would be left to have some honest, intellectual discourse.

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Maybe you don`t realize or care but you conservatives who do play it honest, don`t exemplify the republican party or it`s leaders or conservatives here.


Funny, except at the local levels, I have not voted for one of the two major politcal parties in quite some time. So a division is actually being caused by using the terms conservative or liberal. I have noticed that even independent is being used by a few in a derogatory way. These are some of the examples I see that is holding us back from finding some real solutions.


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I wish you would post more but I know we all have a life.


The unfortunate part is that I actually have some extra time. Business is slow, and likely will be closing shop and working for someone else soon. I don't post here often, because specific topics as problems do not get honest intellectual disourse, debate, discussion, or even problem solving. I see a lot of name calling, baiting, trolling, etc. , and our politicians are a reflection of us. We as a people, no matter the political affiliation must change our approach. We must force that change on our public servants.

The unfortunate part is that it seems so ingrained in many people, that this is some sort of game to be won or lost, between the two parties. I see that it is a failing in the system, and that we are reflecting that system.

We need less career politicians, and more problem solvers. In a two party system it used to be that one side was a check and balance on the other. Now I see the two sides just causing us to feed upon ourselves.

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RE: Common ground instead of bickering differences - 6/8/2011 6:06:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		In a message to me on the other side, someone asked me how I measure success with some of the posts and points I raise. They wanted to know if I considered it a victory if I got someone to think like me. In short I respond, No.

If I can get just one person to stop and think about the real issues, even if they go back to however they were handling it before, just to stop and think, then I consider it a success.

Change not only starts with you, it spreads from you as well, one person at a time. Change will only happen at the bottom, moving upward. On the top, the priority will always be the status quo.

Hopefully at least one person has thought about all of this, and weighed whether their approach is one of solution, or not.

Take care all.

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RE: Common ground instead of bickering differences - 6/8/2011 6:14:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find it amusing that a liberal says that after years of being silent they are just now fighting back in kind.   After years of claiming that conservatives want people to starve, want back alley abortions to return, want the elderly to eat dog food, and that every conservative is a racist I don't think they have much to say about us.  Oh yes and it is the liberals who read race into every statement made by a conservative.  For example the true and easily checked fact that there are more people on food stamps under Obama was attacked as racist while if the same had been true under Bush it would have been proof of what a terrible and uncaring person he was.

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RE: Common ground instead of bickering differences - 6/8/2011 6:59:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

In your example the two companies are working together to increase profit.


Actually someone else touched on it. The method used was not originally done in business, but in governments of a couple of ancient civilizations.

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With elected officials there is no advantage in working together for a common goal. If they do neither side achieves recognition and the benefit of reelection.


This is where the voters of this country must make it to their benefit.

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Of course we all want them to work together for our benefit but that would negate the purpose for a political party. As long as we have this system we will have to pick one party and put all our eggs in their basket.


No it would not negate the purpose of political parties, as the more perspectives on an issue, the more discussion and possible approaches to solution you have.

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There are some advantages… it allows for a quick change of policy and opposing ideas for consideration. But... it also encourages a gridlock where no useful legislation is passed.

Butch


Yeah there is not been much useful legislation passed, when compared to the time spent in other non-productive areas.

"A government that fears the people, is a democracy. A government that the people fear is tyranny."

Our officials must begin to fear the American people collectively. The spin and rhetoric used to keep the American people divided is done purposefully by the majority of politicians. If another government tried to cause division in our country, purposefully, to achieve their agenda of control, what would it be viewed as?

Just a few thoughts, as once we start seeing common ground achieved in forums, and discussion groups, it will spread from there if we have the will to keep a republic.


The part I bolded is what I see in the chatter points of both sides. The Repubs love Palin because they do not take her seriously as a politician but she does an excellent job of diverting our attention from the important stuff. The Dems love the birther stuff and racist stuff because it diverts attention from the important stuff. It all creates smoke screens so that the power players can go on about their business.

**Just look at the post above mine!

We are a country that puts more importance on reading Equirer and People than Times and Newsweek. WE buy into it! We are the sheep being led around by our fascination with sensationalism.

We get what we ask for.

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RE: Common ground instead of bickering differences - 6/8/2011 8:56:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a reminder, the topic is - Common ground instead of bickering differences

I am sure there are plenty of other threads to do the back and forth on. Please use those topics :)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I find it amusing that a liberal says that after years of being silent they are just now fighting back in kind.   After years of claiming that conservatives want people to starve, want back alley abortions to return, want the elderly to eat dog food, and that every conservative is a racist I don't think they have much to say about us.  Oh yes and it is the liberals who read race into every statement made by a conservative.  For example the true and easily checked fact that there are more people on food stamps under Obama was attacked as racist while if the same had been true under Bush it would have been proof of what a terrible and uncaring person he was.



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RE: Common ground instead of bickering differences - 6/8/2011 9:00:10 AM   
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Thank you for the emphasis on the bolded area. Most missed that, or were not sure what to make of it.

But.... If an agent of another country, came to ours and started some of the things that we ourselves start, they would be accussed of meddling and causing problems in our political process. We should have standards that we, the people, set and force our public servants to follow.

Yes we are sheep, and until we become wolves again, we will be fed on by those that we have made our predator.

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