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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 2:24:38 PM

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I gave up HFCS years ago.

Business is always looking to pass cheap crap onto us.

There are multipal factors at play that make markets go where they go.You are sighting a thin slice of those factors.There are pros and cons to every approuch.

We know we can`t produce enough oil for ourselves therefore our dollars go to middle eastern counties,who fund most of the terrorism going on today.That line is clear and easly to follow.

The only alternative corn to fuel is to burn more oil.After Japan,nukes are out.Sight all the stats you want but more nukes are out.Natural gas isn`t going to get us off ME oil.

Lastly,I don`t think we should tell farmers they can`t grow corn for fuel production.

Just isn`t American.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 3:58:43 PM

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What we eat is sweet corn. The rest is used for feed, fuel and manufacturing, like for their beloved HFCS. I think that's about all the farmer can control. Few would pay the extra for the good sweet eatin' corn and boil it down. But the rest of it, well once they sell it what happens to it is up to the end pruchaser.

What we need is to grow something even more useless. Might sound silly but really, what about weeds ? What about that nasty grass that got imported here some years ago, it's very prolific. What I mean is I don't think that corn has any special value for fuel anymore than most other crops, or whatever. Part of the reason they use it is probably just because there is so much of it.

Hell I was wondering just how much fuel a yardfull of grass clippings might produce, or dandilions for that matter. People want rid of them, hell just find a use for them and the banks will beat a path to your loading dock.

And to think gasoline used to be a waste product.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 4:01:55 PM

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You will find corn, or it's processed material in most foods. That is a fact. Just research on how corn effects grocery prices. We do not have many things with HFCS either, but that does not remove the fact that a large majority of the country is fed by things that corn influences.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 4:13:40 PM

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I don't have to commision a study to figure out that if corn goes up, so does everyhing that eats it. What I'm saying is that, at least for fuel there should be other options. Things that are not edible.

It would also be nice if it grows well in floods and droughts.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 7:00:25 PM

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The Japanese have been working with rice as a way to produce ethanol. If we could remove the demand on corn for the fuel, then the price on corn would go down, and so would grocery prices. Grocery prices going down has been one of the biggest factors on increasing consumer confidence, which improves spending.

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I don't have to commision a study to figure out that if corn goes up, so does everyhing that eats it. What I'm saying is that, at least for fuel there should be other options. Things that are not edible.

It would also be nice if it grows well in floods and droughts.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 7:49:24 PM

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The bigest factor, which you seem to overlook,...the whether.

http://mygreenhell.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/05/will-midwest-flooding-affect-this-years-corn-crop.html

http://wallacesfarmer.com/story.aspx/whats/the/impact/of/midseason/flooding/on/corn/ear/fill/9/40873

http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/seed/flooding-and-waterlogging-will-affect-crop-development

http://cropwatch.unl.edu/web/cropwatch/archive?articleID=4556383

http://www.farms.com/FarmsPages/Commentary/DetailedCommentary/tabid/192/Default.aspx?NewsID=41531

http://agnewsonline.blogspot.com/2011/05/rain-may-affect-grain-forecast.html

http://cornandsoybeans.psu.edu/flood_damaged_crops.html

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 7:51:25 PM

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Part of the reason they use it is probably just because there is so much of it.

And that there's a powerful corn lobby.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 8:04:52 PM

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There will be a much smaller corn crop this year to add to the problem. The entire midwest has seen a very cool (blame global warming) and wet spring. Some crops are not planted yet and many other areas are way behind.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 8:10:32 PM

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Here too. And I lost half my apricots.

But then, growing apricots in NY is a bit ballsy, and goes with the territory.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 8:13:10 PM

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Hmmmm....An apricot orchard sounds divine.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/9/2011 8:16:01 PM

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It rocks when there are apricots, for sure.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 6:00:18 AM

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Actually I didn't overlook it. If you had read the link I provided, it spoke directly to the reason for an expected lower corn yield this year is the weather.

What I asked, and I am not sure anyone went to that point is: If there is a crisis in corn surplus, should/would we direct existing surplus to food production, instead of ethanol?

It has been a few years now that there have been many articles and information that the higher demand on corn has led to higher food prices. It is something not many people know, so in the past few weeks I have posted a few links about it in various forums and email groups.

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The bigest factor, which you seem to overlook,...the whether.

http://mygreenhell.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/05/will-midwest-flooding-affect-this-years-corn-crop.html

http://wallacesfarmer.com/story.aspx/whats/the/impact/of/midseason/flooding/on/corn/ear/fill/9/40873

http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/seed/flooding-and-waterlogging-will-affect-crop-development

http://cropwatch.unl.edu/web/cropwatch/archive?articleID=4556383

http://www.farms.com/FarmsPages/Commentary/DetailedCommentary/tabid/192/Default.aspx?NewsID=41531

http://agnewsonline.blogspot.com/2011/05/rain-may-affect-grain-forecast.html

http://cornandsoybeans.psu.edu/flood_damaged_crops.html

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 6:02:20 AM

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You realize this just BEGS for jokes about "Rice burners", "Toyotas running on Sake" etc

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The Japanese have been working with rice as a way to produce ethanol. If we could remove the demand on corn for the fuel, then the price on corn would go down, and so would grocery prices. Grocery prices going down has been one of the biggest factors on increasing consumer confidence, which improves spending.

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I don't have to commision a study to figure out that if corn goes up, so does everyhing that eats it. What I'm saying is that, at least for fuel there should be other options. Things that are not edible.

It would also be nice if it grows well in floods and droughts.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 7:45:00 AM

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Actually it does, as the article I read had a headline like "Japanese really do have rice burners!" or something similar.

Just about anything that can male grain alcohol can be used it seems. It is the yield of it that concerns most energy companies.

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You realize this just BEGS for jokes about "Rice burners", "Toyotas running on Sake" etc

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 7:50:26 AM

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and it is still a horseshit way to go. grain is easy, but hemp and other scrubby stuff like that would provide more gallons per acre. AAAAAAAAAND, they can break down the cellulose (woody stuff) to get at the sugar using bacteria from cow stomaches, now just how fuckin slick is that.........we need to support that sort of thing.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 9:09:24 AM

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I agree, but the cotton and wood industry, with the politicians they have in their pockets, would never allow that. Heck, most Americans do not even realize that you can get the oil and fiber from non-THC producing plants. My son was not allowed to enter his Senior Science Project on Bio-Diesel into the competition, because it had factual data about how hemp could be used.

I just wonder how many can see all of the US problems discussed in this forum, stem from our broken system of politics/beauracracy.

More wolves, and less sheep.

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and it is still a horseshit way to go. grain is easy, but hemp and other scrubby stuff like that would provide more gallons per acre. AAAAAAAAAND, they can break down the cellulose (woody stuff) to get at the sugar using bacteria from cow stomaches, now just how fuckin slick is that.........we need to support that sort of thing.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 9:15:10 AM

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I agree, but the cotton and wood industry, with the politicians they have in their pockets, would never allow that. Heck, most Americans do not even realize that you can get the oil and fiber from non-THC producing plants. My son was not allowed to enter his Senior Science Project on Bio-Diesel into the competition, because it had factual data about how hemp could be used.

I just wonder how many can see all of the US problems discussed in this forum, stem from our broken system of politics/beauracracy.

More wolves, and less sheep.

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and it is still a horseshit way to go. grain is easy, but hemp and other scrubby stuff like that would provide more gallons per acre. AAAAAAAAAND, they can break down the cellulose (woody stuff) to get at the sugar using bacteria from cow stomaches, now just how fuckin slick is that.........we need to support that sort of thing.

And that is so typically short sighted american, jesus, if we could take all our wasteland and our useless scrub and turn it into money, isn't that like capitalism at its apogee?

Yeah, it dont have to be hemp, it can be any woody rubbish.

I also favor burning garbage in a plasma, even if it has to be augmented with a little coal. Just for reasons of politik.

Japanese were doing that long time ago. The waste burners we got are too inefficient, we need plasma burners to make that work. Think of the stuff that could be used for energy we throw away.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 9:16:36 AM

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Now when you mention plasma burners, most people are going to go "huh?". Sheesh Ron, the sheep cannot follow this ;).

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 9:17:05 AM

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Ron,

A Diamond walnuts plant burns its garbage/shells to power all its energy. The waste is a small pile of ash, maybe half a garbage can, at the end of the day.

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RE: Corn surplus much lower than projected - 6/10/2011 9:20:06 AM

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And we know what those smokehouse almonds cost too. God I love those things, and I love that they are doing that. Good fuckin Americans, they are; top drawer.

heres some on plasma furnaces:

http://cogeneration.net/plasma-furnace/

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