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Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 12:08:54 PM

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Talk to a prominent social conservative these day and the odds are pretty good that he or she is a fan of David Barton. Perhaps more than any other person, the Texas-based amateur historian has provided grist for the idea of American Exceptionalism—the argument that America's unique success in the world is divinely caused and due to its committment to core Judeo-Christian principles. Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, the tea party champion and likely 2012 presidential contender, invited him to teach members of Congress about the Constitution; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says he learns something new every time he listens to Barton.

He's a pretty influential guy. So what, exactly, does he teach? On Wednesday, Right Wing Watch flagged a recent interview Barton gave with an evangelical talk show, in which he argues that the Founding Fathers had explicitly rejected Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fgJp9qd9xOQ

Yes, that Darwin. The one whose seminal work, On the Origin of Species, wasn't even published until 1859. Barton declared, "As far as the Founding Fathers were concerned, they'd already had the entire debate over creation and evolution, and you get Thomas Paine, who is the least religious Founding Father, saying you've got to teach Creation science in the classroom. Scientific method demands that!" Paine died in 1809, the same year Darwin was born.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/gops-favorite-historian-founding-fathers-opposed-evolution

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 12:11:42 PM

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Why would anyone waste time on a video that claims an explicit rejection of a theory that wasnt developed until 100 years later?

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 12:15:40 PM

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Oh that guy.

All`s needed is to let him talk and he`ll do our job for us.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 12:15:50 PM

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why would anyone take him seriously?

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 12:30:47 PM

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why would anyone take him seriously?

Unfortunately, it's people such as him that are scarey. If he's a pretty influential guy as you say then at least some people are listening to what he has to say...and taking it to heart. Unfortunately too, many people are lazy and/or unwilling to check facts and do their homework when people such as him spout nonsense or inaccuracies, and are incapable of critical thinking as well. The end result being untruths, non-facts and nonsense influence their opinions. I've heard said that if a lie is repeated enough times it takes on the character of truth to some.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 12:35:48 PM

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Talk to anyone these day and the odds are pretty good that he or she is a fan of Someone you disagree with.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 12:39:16 PM

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I wouldnt mind, but disagreeing with me and being WRONG are two different things:)

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 1:19:08 PM

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then I guess its a good thing I disagree with you because I would hate to be wrong

but wait I dont disagree - shit Im sorry - your avitar is distracting me and I cant think anymore

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I wouldnt mind, but disagreeing with me and being WRONG are two different things:)

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 1:20:31 PM

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LOL

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 1:51:32 PM

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Another graduate of the Sarah Palin School of American History.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 1:55:34 PM

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I fink he taught palin and bachmann!

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 1:56:58 PM

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quote:

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then I guess its a good thing I disagree with you because I would hate to be wrong

but wait I dont disagree - shit Im sorry - your avitar is distracting me and I cant think anymore

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I wouldnt mind, but disagreeing with me and being WRONG are two different things:)

There is a method to Lucy's madness.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 2:19:53 PM

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and a madness to her methods

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 2:26:57 PM

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Im not mad, Ive been tested. just because you dont/cant understand how I work, only means that you aren't evolved enough yet. You havent got what it takes to ascend to that level.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 2:38:31 PM

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Im not mad, Ive been tested. just because you dont/cant understand how I work, only means that you aren't evolved enough yet. You havent got what it takes to ascend to that level.

[/quote)But given the theory of evolution(not that I subscribe to such unsubstantiated claptrap) is there not some chance he might somehow evolve enough at a later date in order to ascent to that level?
Just asking ,cause I'm curious.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 2:55:15 PM

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Given that sea horses evolved to the point that males give birth to live young, anything is possible, but very very doubtful and the stuff of nightmares

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 3:03:43 PM

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I'm guessing you don't believe in American Exceptionalism eh Luce?

My question is, why are you so narrowly defining American Exceptionalism?

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 3:07:26 PM

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NO you are right I dont believe in american exceptionalism
But what am I defining and where? because I sure as hell didnt mean to

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 3:09:49 PM

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Fatty,please explain to me American exceptionalism.....and than tell me why you subscribe to it.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 3:20:57 PM

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Barton is one of the worst and unfortunately most influential members of the Religious Right.

He is the originator of or the primary disseminator of these, all wrong, ideas:
The Founders were devout Christians
The Constitution does not mandate a seperation of church and state
The revolution was fought to end slavery
Jesus opposed the minimum wage
and this latest evolution nonsense

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