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michaelGA2 -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 12:26:36 PM)
we are always too far away. i think people thrive on distance...safer for them that way. i've been asking myself a similar question: where are the "real" Mistresses?

michaelGA2 -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 12:31:02 PM)
this is very ture as the "true" Mistresses have left and the money-grubbers have taken over. Seems it's turned into a "No pay- no play" site

PlayfulOne -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 12:34:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 we are always too far away. i think people thrive on distance...safer for them that way. i've been asking myself a similar question: where are the "real" Mistresses? If it will shut both of you up Michael, we can try and get everyone in the forum to donate $1 and we'll get you a one way plane ticket to Dublin. But on the condition that your whining, sniveling ass stops annoying us. K

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 12:45:53 PM)
Welcome to the boards Samwhiplash. Your experience with emails from male bottoms is not unusual for fem doms anywhere in the world or on the net, but as you may have already noticed, the folks here dislike "the true" anything, because generally people deemed untrue are the ones not fitting our needs/desires; none of us can claim one true way that works for everyone, no matter what title we go by. M

Samwhiplash -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 12:52:48 PM)
It was a honest post - and an honest question - wondering if others are all experiencing the same difficulties as I am or is it because Irelands bdsm scene is v limited. Im not looking for anything that doesnt definitely exist (as some ppl have so scarcastically indicated, the perfect sub/perfect Mistress IS fantasy based - and I cldnt agree more)... Im just looking for a sincere submissive and I dont think thats an unrealistic expectation. I am active in the bdsm scene in Dublin and a munchgoing member of bdsmireland.org (we meet twice a month) but still, working hard at finding the one and not getting v far :( BTW - Wulfchyld - Id be delighted to encompass the sexual submissive aspect with relish if it goes hand in hand wth other aspects of submission. Women have needs too ya know ;-) (lol)

MistressWolfen -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 1:18:58 PM)
Hi Sam, I have been part of the scene off and on in Ireland for a couple of decades. Have met some great people and some real twits (same as anywhere really), I can however assure you that the majority of males (submissives included) I have met (in Ireland or elsewhere) are not "intelligent, attractive, tall, dress well, with a wild imagination and a natural instinct to submit and obey." To me this sounds almost like the BDSM version of the knight in shining armour, and goodness I want one of those too grins. However I have found that many are pleasant, interesting, well read and decently groomed and presentable; whilst offering to serve to the best of their ability. Shite some are even short, odd looking and dress peculiarly...but what the heck I tend to take people as they are and enjoy what connections I make, whether intimate or casual. I wish you luck on your journey and if you find that sub can you ask if he has a brother that fancies old, grouchy Dommes???? LOL

Oumae -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 1:28:45 PM)
Hi Sam, Knowing you as I do I know you are sincere and genuine as well as gorgeous. The "true" word isn't the best word to use on the boards as it has negative connotations here as I think you'll have seen from some of the replies. Hopefully with things becoming a bit more open over here more people will come out of the shadows, it will be worth it when you find the right one for you. Oumae

bandit25 -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 2:02:17 PM)
You are so right.

Phoenixandnika -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 2:26:10 PM)
A true sub is that like a real rolex or a real goochie? Phoenix's Nika

HoosierScorpio -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 3:06:38 PM)
Sadly Samwhiplash we here in the United States are running in that with female and males looking to play and with no real concept to serve. So you can say this problem is universal all over the world. There are allot subs and slaves looking to play or part time during the weekend. They also show very little respect too to you when you respond to their profiles. I have talked with allot of Dom’s and Dommes We feel your pain and I know it is frustrating. I wish you luck in finding what you are seeking and who every you do will be very lucky to have you has their Mistress. .

RamaLlama -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 3:29:06 PM)
I seldom ever come across a boy who can even write a complete sentence. I'd be shocked to hell if I ever found a bitch that can both spell and obey. I don't want to dominate piece of shit little boys. I want to dominate intelligent, powerfull men. I want to break the warriors; but it seems they don't exist. As for capable Mistresses, they do indeed exist, I have the honor of serving some very worthy Women.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 3:34:20 PM)
Samwhiplash, you will find on the forums that many do not like the word "True." I'm still not certain why that is, because I understand "true submissive" to be one who is genuine in their submission and not a player who uses people. We're quick to say HNG's and players, but damn if we say "true." We get hung up on words a lot. lol. In any case, sincerity can be difficult to find. Many like to role play the Master/slave dynamic but not live it. You have been searching just a few months for something that takes some people years. Stay true to who you are (oops, I said true) and don't compromise, and eventually you will find what you are looking for. I wish you luck.

MsVoyeringmama -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 3:40:31 PM)
and that MY dear sister domme- is why my long/book read profile starts with "Every so-called submissive male claims to want to serve, but really wants play... but NOT commit!! You are either a sub or not in R/T-you commit or don’t- anything else is a difference between the need to serve others and the need to lose oneself in the service of others." and this is stated as well "The fact that play and submission are NOT the same things. They are "inclusive" of each other, but are not same. One can submit, without play. One can play without submitting, diff between submissive and bottom control, bottoms mainly like play only, very minimal control. submissives, give up a great deal of control." I got very tired of the wanna be's, thus now i make it very hard to them and hopefully a "true sub" will outshine as I find him

gooddogbenji -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 3:54:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Samwhiplash, you will find on the forums that many do not like the word "True." I'm still not certain why that is, because I understand "true submissive" to be one who is genuine in their submission and not a player who uses people. We're quick to say HNG's and players, but damn if we say "true." We get hung up on words a lot. lol. owned, First off, I respect you, and usually agree with your posts. But I want to mention something at this point, which is by no means personal, just a general statement. I do not consider myself to be a player. I consider myself, and have been told so in real life, to be a, as you describe it, "true" submissive. I'm polite, obedient, don't top from the bottom, truly take pleasure from a Domme's or Mistress', or any person's pleasure. That makes me true, right? I need to serve. I need to submit. I crave that feeling of power over me. Still true? Yeah, I would think. I will only submit to someone who is compatible with me. Fun, fair, sadistic, enforces rules, respects limits etc.... Still true? Sure. People that don't want to be compatible, and have no limits, are commonly termed HNGs on here. In the end, all I'm doing is using this Domme, this woman in charge, for my own pleasure. No matter what my fetish is, I see to it that I get it. A fetish of mine is no strings housework. I will not hesitate to use a Domme for my own pleasure in that. Something I don't care for is masks. I do, however, enjoy being made to wear them, as I feel the Domme's power when I wear one. Another fetish of mine. Something I will not do is scat. Hard limit. No can do. Does this clearly defined list of what I like and don't like make me a player, out to use people? Yet a clearly defined list involving I want sex and I want foot worship and I don't want housework; does that make me a player? Different fetishes, each has a match in the world. So who is true? Now, I'm the first to pounce on someone in the forums, usually just for poorly thought out posts, or general idiocy. But your fetish is as okay as mine, and at the end of the day, we are each out for our own pleasure, however obtained. So define a true sub again? lol Again, nothing personal, but one of the reasons I hate that word. Yours, benji

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 4:23:36 PM)
Benji I don't see where anyone's post says someone ceases being a true submissive because he loves/enjoys sex. Could you point that out? I don't think that using a legitimate word like "true" which the dictionary describes as quote: Consistent with fact or reality; Real; genuine. should incur a rath like this lady has simply by asking an honest question. There is nothing in your post which says you are not a submissive *quote:* inclined or willing to submit to orders or wishes of others M

NikkiAnn -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 4:28:38 PM)
I am a sub and I have not been found by any Mistresses. I have a lot to offer in a D/s relationship and I don't ask for much in return. But not many Mistresses are interested in a person such as myself. It seems that I have something of a handicap that deters interest. Nikki Ann

gooddogbenji -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 4:46:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig Benji I don't see where anyone's post says someone ceases being a true submissive because he loves/enjoys sex. Could you point that out? It has been said in many other threads about do-me subs, about expectations, etc, not that sex makes someone not submissive, but that ONLY sex, and ONLY foot worship, and ONLY this, etc subs are not true. I will not pull any on the subject, as the search function apparently hates me, but I am certain they are out there. quote: I don't think that using a legitimate word like "true" which the dictionary describes as quote: Consistent with fact or reality; Real; genuine. should incur a rath like this lady has simply by asking an honest question. Okay. So who deserves this kind of "wrath?" Agreed, no one. So then, what does it mean for a sub to be genuine, real? They don't say more than true. Consistent with fact or reality says a bit more, but still, a man looking for kinky sex in a submissive way is consistent with reality. Depending on your definition, maybe more bottom, but CM does not have that option. quote: There is nothing in your post which says you are not a submissive *quote:* inclined or willing to submit to orders or wishes of others M Again, the last bit, quote: ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji Yet a clearly defined list involving I want sex and I want foot worship and I don't want housework is, as I see it, a very common definition of an "untrue" sub, looking for his own pleasure, not his Mistress'. I will not pull threads (see above) and do not agree with this view, but it seems to be an accepted view of the "truescosity" of a sub. In the interest of this discussion, I heartily welcome you to message me on the other side, but don't see a huge point of getting more into it. To each their own. Yours, benji

michaelGA2 -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 5:25:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 we are always too far away. i think people thrive on distance...safer for them that way. i've been asking myself a similar question: where are the "real" Mistresses? If it will shut both of you up Michael, we can try and get everyone in the forum to donate $1 and we'll get you a one way plane ticket to Dublin. But on the condition that your whining, sniveling ass stops annoying us. K Thank You for Your irrate response.

PlayfulOne -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 5:34:11 PM)
Not irrate Michael, Just trying too help you out since all you do is whine and complain about how you can't find anyone., Whenever you ask for help, knowledgable well meaning people give advice and you say, ":Thats not what I wanted to hear". K

michaelGA2 -> RE: Where are all the true subs? (5/14/2006 5:36:14 PM)
i just call them as i see them

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