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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 10:54:56 AM   
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. But it is difficult to consider them "peace" movements when our presence is suppressing the level of violence in a situation and/or maintaining what precious little relative peace exists there at all.


Militarization does not lead to peace...

I remember something my conservative history professor said in a class that stuck with me, probably not in the way that he had hoped, but I take my truth where I can find it... you do not build an army as a pretty play set. A well provided for and trained army is built for one reason, to use.

We spend astronomical sums on our military, outspend the rest of the world by huge sums, and we do not do this for defense, we do it to use them.

If you really paid attention to what people were saying in this movement, it is that the priority on militarization needs to shift to domestic spending in ways that uplift people, instead of blowing them into little bits. You make peace in your own backyard, and you create justice in your own backyard, you cannot accomplish these things at the point of a gun, because the minute you remove the gun, people are back to doing what they were doing before.

It is like "giving" people democracy. We can't give people democracy, democracy has to be something that they want. It has to be something that they gain for themselves, too.... and we do far more to stand in the way of real democracy than we do to enable it....

Example: I read the neocons on this very forum spouting about how the explosion of protests in the middle east demanding democracy will mean Islamic governments, as if those people do not have a right to decide their own government... either you want democracy, or you don't

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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 10:57:20 AM   
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either you want democracy, or you don't

Well I sure don't... and neither does anybody else in their right mind.

Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch.

K.

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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 11:06:18 AM   
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When used this way the term "pro" means in favor of

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pro-

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The Pro Peace Movement in the USA


I keep wondering whether there's an Amateur Peace Movement in the USA.


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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 11:08:37 AM   
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When used this way the term "pro" means in favor of

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pro-


I think he was joking

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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 11:20:43 AM   
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I think he was joking

One would have to consider that a possibility.

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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 11:49:25 AM   
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Posts like this is why I find it very hard not to like you Lucy.


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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 11:51:24 AM   
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I keep wondering whether there's an Amateur Peace Movement in the USA.


There's no need to wonder....given their complete inaction, clearly the peace movement in the US is strictly amateur.


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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 11:53:55 AM   
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Forgot the little escapade in Libya, didja?


I know it takes a little time but please try and keep the quotes separated properly.

You do know that the Republican leaders in Congress are pressing for the U.S. to consider providing arms, intelligence and training to the rebels don't you? They want more not less involvement so I really don’t see the point of your post.

For me...I say get the hell out of a civil war...none of our damn business.

Butch

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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 11:56:24 AM   
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There's no need to wonder....given their complete inaction, clearly the peace movement in the US is strictly amateur.


Considering the war racketeers are professionally making the money off pain and suffering the instruments of destruction that they produce create, well I would have to agree with you, those of us who desire to have peace in the world need something called a "day job"...

I guess if there was money in peace, more people would be advocating it

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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 1:51:49 PM   
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Where are the large mass protests and marches in places like Washington DC and New York julia?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf9DxCbNbF8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQE2wqRBwQQ

I'm all in favor of us not getting involved in every fucking outbreak of mayhem that erupts around the world, which according to the accompanying blurbs is what these protests are about. But it is difficult to consider them "peace" movements when our presence is suppressing the level of violence in a situation and/or maintaining what precious little relative peace exists there at all.

K.


Agreed.

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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 1:56:19 PM   
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breathplay is fun, but you have to be real careful who you play with:)


Posts like this is why I find it very hard not to like you Lucy.


you have your redeeming qualities too


Sadly I think you love me for my looks and not my mind


well not your politics honey, but thats ok, you gots other thangs goin on:) even for a dom daddy
*that isnt a dig*



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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/11/2011 10:15:05 PM   
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And remember Luce... sometimes a name is just a name ;-)

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RE: The Pro Peace Movement in the USA - 6/12/2011 2:22:38 PM   
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