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ORIGINAL: Brain

The last part should be,

I'm not interested in The Heretic’s idea of working with the other side as cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are unacceptable. The more intelligent Democrats are the progressive liberals.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Part of Obamacare was cutting money from Medicare to provide Obamacare funding.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

When people come to a debate without knowing facts and truths from spin and outright lies, you dont stand a chance of intelligent debate.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

When people come to a debate without knowing facts and truths from spin and outright lies, you dont stand a chance of intelligent debate.

Oh? What is a spin or lie. You do know that Obama claimed $500 billion in Medicare cuts? Morever, you do know that the CBO included a rare note to their scoring of Obamacare that criticized the administration for attempting to double count the $500 billion, right? Is the "non-partisan" CBO spinning or lying?

"The key point is that the savings to the HI trust fund under the PPACA would be received by the
government only once, so they cannot be set aside to pay for future Medicare spending and, at
the same time, pay for current spending on other parts of the legislation or on other programs.
Trust fund accounting shows the magnitude of the savings within the trust fund, and those
savings indeed improve the solvency of that fund; however, that accounting ignores the burden
that would be faced by the rest of the government later in redeeming the bonds held by the trust
fund. Unified budget accounting shows that the majority of the HI trust fund savings would be
used to pay for other spending under the PPACA and would not enhance the ability of the
government to redeem the bonds credited to the trust fund to pay for future Medicare benefits.
To describe the full amount of HI trust fund savings as both improving the government’s ability
to pay future Medicare benefits and financing new spending outside of Medicare would
essentially double-count a large share of those savings and thus overstate the improvement in the
government’s fiscal position."

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

When people come to a debate without knowing facts and truths from spin and outright lies, you dont stand a chance of intelligent debate.

Oh? What is a spin or lie. You do know that Obama claimed $500 billion in Medicare cuts? Morever, you do know that the CBO included a rare note to their scoring of Obamacare that criticized the administration for attempting to double count the $500 billion, right? Is the "non-partisan" CBO spinning or lying?

"The key point is that the savings to the HI trust fund under the PPACA would be received by the
government only once, so they cannot be set aside to pay for future Medicare spending and, at
the same time, pay for current spending on other parts of the legislation or on other programs.
Trust fund accounting shows the magnitude of the savings within the trust fund, and those
savings indeed improve the solvency of that fund; however, that accounting ignores the burden
that would be faced by the rest of the government later in redeeming the bonds held by the trust
fund. Unified budget accounting shows that the majority of the HI trust fund savings would be
used to pay for other spending under the PPACA and would not enhance the ability of the
government to redeem the bonds credited to the trust fund to pay for future Medicare benefits.
To describe the full amount of HI trust fund savings as both improving the government’s ability
to pay future Medicare benefits and financing new spending outside of Medicare would
essentially double-count a large share of those savings and thus overstate the improvement in the
government’s fiscal position."

Stop with the victim mentality, I wasnt talking about your comments , sheesh calm down dearie.
Look at who I responded to.
NOT YOU
I dont expect you to give sources.

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It is nothing new...discourse is the norm not the exception...it has worked pretty good this way for a long time but it would be nice every now and then to work together.

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I saw who you responded to. Since we both made the same point it didnt matter who you falsely accused of lying.

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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It is nothing new...discourse is the norm not the exception...it has worked pretty good this way for a long time but it would be nice every now and then to work together.

I hope you mean sober discourse... which is not really what's going on. I think the OP's  analysis is fairly valid ... I think that he perhaps could point out more strongly as to how democrats have allowed themselves to be dragged further down the rathole than their constituents are in any way inclined to venture. And sadly, those with an actual liberal belief system are getting fed up with both sides of the aisle.
I find myself hoping a CREDIBLE third party will emerge and throw both off balance. If elections were no longer winnable on the basis of innuendo, they might actually have to come up with sound positions.

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Stop with the victim mentality, I wasnt talking about your comments , sheesh calm down dearie.
Look at who I responded to.
NOT YOU
I dont expect you to give sources.

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What do you mean by "off balance". And on the lib side there are so many factions it would be nearly impossible to coalesce into a third party...unlike the very CREDIBLE tea party movement, which in fact bridges the two major factions in the GOP.

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What do you mean by "off balance". And on the lib side there are so many factions it would be nearly impossible to coalesce into a third party...unlike the very CREDIBLE tea party movement, which in fact bridges the two major factions in the GOP.

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unlike the very CREDIBLE tea party movement, which in fact bridges the two major factions in the GOP.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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unlike the very CREDIBLE tea party movement, which in fact bridges the two major factions in the GOP.

But alas, does so out of complete naivety.