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LaTigresse -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:01:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse It saddens me that so many people read an entire post, paragraph, sentence.......and pick out only the negative If a statement is very negative or vitriolic then it can still deserve to be highlighted. As an example, I could summarise my working day and you might well be bored by it, but if I ended with the phrase "oh and BTW women are just awful aren't they? I mean really, really unpleasant, and you can't trust 99% of them" then I'd expect you or others to have something to say about it, assuming I were even serious of course. A certain percentage of a post being "reasonable" or informative doesn't allow a person to then tack on an unpleasant, racist, sexist or just plain ignorant statement in there somewhere and expect everyone else to just swallow it whole. So you support the trash news that takes bits and pieces of statements of the famous and politicians twists them, and uses them to create support for their own agenda? Because that is in essence, the same thing.

RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:02:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse So you support the trash news that takes bits and pieces of statements of the famous and politicians twists them, and uses them to create support for their own agenda? Because that is in essence, the same thing. No I don't, because no it isn't.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:06:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse It saddens me that so many people read an entire post, paragraph, sentence.......and pick out only the negative, magnify it, thereby twisting the entire post around to fit their own agenda and post about that. Rather than the entirety of the post. It makes their point irrelevant when they might have been able to post something worthwhile. It would be encouraging if people could manage, just once in awhile, to step outside their own box of existence and see the world through the eyes of another. I agree with the red part. I just think that it is funny that you ask others to do what you completely give Hannah a pass on. I normally agree with you 100%, for the record, so I have to believe there is some reason that I am missing that is making you defend Hannah, and that is ok. I really have tried to understand her, mainly because of the things Heather says about her with such tenderness, but I can not get past the fucking moron, fucking learn the language, fucking idiots just do not understand me judgements that she puts on so many people. I do wish her and Heather well. They seem to have something very special, and everyone deserves to have their bliss.

GreedyTop -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:07:43 AM)
!FR! seagulls is redundant

Daddysredhead -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:08:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue A certain percentage of a post being "reasonable" or informative doesn't allow a person to then tack on an unpleasant, racist, sexist or just plain ignorant statement in there somewhere and expect everyone else to just swallow it whole. quoted for fucking truth. [sm=agree.gif]

RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:09:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop !FR! seagulls is redundant Not when they've just crapped all over your newly cleaned car they aren't! I so wish I had a 12-gauge.

RedMagic1 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:10:22 AM)
And see, I find "conclusions" almost irrelevant. What matters to me, especially with this particular OP, is developmental process.

Daddysredhead -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:11:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse It saddens me that so many people read an entire post, paragraph, sentence.......and pick out only the negative, magnify it, thereby twisting the entire post around to fit their own agenda and post about that. Rather than the entirety of the post. It makes their point irrelevant when they might have been able to post something worthwhile. It would be encouraging if people could manage, just once in awhile, to step outside their own box of existence and see the world through the eyes of another. I agree with the red part. I just think that it is funny that you ask others to do what you completely give Hannah a pass on. I normally agree with you 100%, for the record, so I have to believe there is some reason that I am missing that is making you defend Hannah, and that is ok. I really have tried to understand her, mainly because of the things Heather says about her with such tenderness, but I can not get past the fucking moron, fucking learn the language, fucking idiots just do not understand me judgements that she puts on so many people. I do wish her and Heather well. They seem to have something very special, and everyone deserves to have their bliss. I find myself in this same boat. I feel like I'm missing something, too, but it's ok. I wish all well.

Daddysredhead -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:12:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I just gotta wonder. The women that have responded negatively in this thread the most strongly....if at SOME level......are trying to convince themselves about the men in their lives. Because if indeed you feel it would not at all be reflective, what cause for upset? Chalk it up to a few crazy man haters spewing nonsense and roll your eyes! That's pretty much what I've been doing while reading this thread. quote: All in all, it is just about what I expected to see when I first read the OP. Women in denial screeching. Women having seen some measure of what the OP stated. Some really nice guys that are senstive and caring, not wanting to be cast in the same light. A lot of guys that know, given the lack of societal constraint, probably would actually admit to BEING one of those assholes.......avoiding. Sorry LaT but the only "screeching" I've seen on this thread has been from the OP, who, quite frankly, reminds me of a cornered feral cat - all that hissing and snarling getting in the way of whatever message she's trying to get out. Enough "You dumb fuckers" and fuckity fuck fuck fucks and other rude insults of people who disagree - eh, after awhile I turn down the volume so to speak, and glaze over her posts - they become meaningless. Hence, the eye rolling above. As for guys avoiding this thread - for what purpose would they have to post here? Some of the guys who posted (peon, for example) made really good points. But I don't know anyone who would willingly dive into a barrel of claws. I suspect there's more eye rolling than avoidance, but who knows? Mostly I find it a bit depressing to see such anger and hate and negativity spewed here. In fact, lately I've seen a lot of posts that talk about how bad certain sectors are - I'm recalling a recent one in which people were chiming in that everyone's a fuckwit until proven otherwise. I feel badly for people with such negative views of the world. I mean, trust me, I've seen my own share of crap out there, but I see the universe as bubbling with possibilities, people as mostly good and just trying to get by in life, and lots of hope for the future. Some of the things I read here are just dismal, so I don't respond to them. QUOTED FOR TRUTH IN ITS ENTIRETY

RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:13:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 And see, I find "conclusions" almost irrelevant. What matters to me, especially with this particular OP, is developmental process. So as far as you're concerned, any poster has got carte blanche to spew bile, until such time as they evolve into a thinking human being? I'm not sure I have that degree of patience in me. But then I would say that ... I'm a man, and we're all bastards.

DesFIP -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:14:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue A certain percentage of a post being "reasonable" or informative doesn't allow a person to then tack on an unpleasant, racist, sexist or just plain ignorant statement in there somewhere and expect everyone else to just swallow it whole. Applauds RF. Sorry LaT, this time you're wrong. Bigotry should never be ignored and accepted.

GreedyTop -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:15:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop !FR! seagulls is redundant Not when they've just crapped all over your newly cleaned car they aren't! I so wish I had a 12-gauge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gull

sexyred1 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:16:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis quote: ORIGINAL: MaxsBoy quote: ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis No matter what the statistics show or don't show, the reality is that nobody really ever knows anyone else. I could not disagree more. Maybe it's unusual for people to really know each other, but your statement is pretty extreme, and does not reflect my current relationship. Or, for the matter, my former marriage. And as for Hannah toning it down? I hope to Hell she doesn't!! I love how raw & real she is on these boards. She makes me think. She makes me feel. And it's about fucking time someone here did that!!! I find that statement intriguing. I think alot of people on this board speak their minds, including me. I find many bright and outspoken people here who make me feel and think. And yet, not everyone is applauded the way this particular OP is. There are many posters who are as real, raw, sarcastic, witty (or not) and in your face and they are disliked, put on moderation often and argued with. I enjoy Hannah's posts, but don't think she has broken the mold on how we post. I have my own opinions as to why this is, but will keep it to myself. )

LillyBoPeep -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:17:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop !FR! seagulls is redundant Not when they've just crapped all over your newly cleaned car they aren't! I so wish I had a 12-gauge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gull "seagulls" sounds prettier though ^_^

RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:17:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gull “often informally called seagulls”

RedMagic1 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:18:05 AM)
Didn't the op say, "i have developed these powerful prejudices because of a ton of shitty real life experiences, but the quality of the men on this message board is completely shocking me"? Those aren't the words of someone static. They are the words of someone in intellectual and emotional motion.

GreedyTop -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:19:05 AM)
snerk INFORMALLY is the key word,.,,LOL smoooches da biker dude

RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:20:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Didn't the op say, "i have developed these powerful prejudices because of a ton of shitty real life experiences, but the quality of the men on this message board is completely shocking me"? Those aren't the words of someone static. They are the words of someone in intellectual and emotional motion. That's one theory, yes. However, I do believe Occam's Razor applies here, as is so often the case.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:20:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis quote: ORIGINAL: MaxsBoy quote: ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis No matter what the statistics show or don't show, the reality is that nobody really ever knows anyone else. I could not disagree more. Maybe it's unusual for people to really know each other, but your statement is pretty extreme, and does not reflect my current relationship. Or, for the matter, my former marriage. And as for Hannah toning it down? I hope to Hell she doesn't!! I love how raw & real she is on these boards. She makes me think. She makes me feel. And it's about fucking time someone here did that!!! I find that statement intriguing. I think alot of people on this board speak their minds, including me. I find many bright and outspoken people here who make me feel and think. And yet, not everyone is applauded the way this particular OP is. There are many posters who are as real, raw, sarcastic, witty (or not) and in your face and they are disliked, put on moderation often and argued with. I enjoy Hannah's posts, but don't think she has broken the mold on how we post. I have my own opinions as to why this is, but will keep it to myself. ) GOOD GRIEF, I CANNOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!! there are loads of people with the same vitriol that Hannah shows, and they don't get neeearly the constant applause she does. 1) it's probably because she's a female, and chicks give themselves special rules all the time. 2) Heather is adorable, inquisitive and thoughtful, and people try to relate to Heather's experience of her that she relates with such obvious admiration (sorry, at the moment, i just can't) 3) i honestly think a lot of the guys are too busy fantasizing about hot young lesbians =p those are my thoughts, take 'em or leave 'em. i don't see so much "rawness, sarcasm, and wit" as anger, snarkiness, bitchiness, and vitriol. of course, that's all very subjective. one person's raving tirade is another person's eloquent statement of social justice.

RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 8:21:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop snerk INFORMALLY is the key word,.,,LOL smoooches da biker dude Get away from me, you insane man hater! Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Come see the oppression inherent in the system!

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