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tj444 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:16:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i say fuck all the time, its my favorite fucking word. half the time i don't even know i'm saying it. its a habit. i swear, i curse. i am foul-mouthed.its the way i talk, i don't care if anybody likes it or not.

I am just curious.. do you use the f word at work? or is it just in your personal life?

Cuz for me, if I get into the habit of swearing as a normal part of how i speak, it is there in my work speak too and that is not good, for me at least. I find I have gone thru phases where I swear a lot and then have to pull back and make a serious effort to speak without swearing.

Of course you will do whatever you wish but I'm just sayin, if you want to get a better job, you might want to think about that at some point...

Personally, I have enjoyed your posts very much, you dont pull any punches. And I dont think they would have the same impact without all those f words. To me, they are an expression of outrage at the hell you (and all us so called man haters) have gone thru, its like expressing the same feelings in the scene in that old movie Network (1976) "I am mad as hell and not going to take it anymore". Just my impression for what its worth.




xXsoumisXx -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:19:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Oh, and, I just read your signature. I see you are now a Professional Canadian.


this is just too funny!




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:21:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
Thanks for finding a way to bring it back, 21.
I'll second the thanks to ModTwentyOne for bringing this thread back, hopefully never to go away. M




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:21:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis


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ORIGINAL: MaxsBoy

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

No matter what the statistics show or don't show, the reality is that nobody really ever knows anyone else.


I could not disagree more.  Maybe it's unusual for people to really know each other, but your statement is pretty extreme, and does not reflect my current relationship.  Or, for the matter, my former marriage.


And as for Hannah toning it down? I hope to Hell she doesn't!! I love how raw & real she is on these boards. She makes me think. She makes me feel. And it's about fucking time someone here did that!!!


I find that statement intriguing. I think alot of people on this board speak their minds, including me. I find many bright and outspoken people here who make me feel and think.

And yet, not everyone is applauded the way this particular OP is. There are many posters who are as real, raw, sarcastic, witty (or not) and in your face and they are disliked, put on moderation often and argued with.

I enjoy Hannah's posts, but don't think she has broken the mold on how we post.

I have my own opinions as to why this is, but will keep it to myself. )


I will answer this since you chose to quote me to make your point. It's true that a lot of people here speak their minds & some of them even speak to me. And I wouldn't want any of them to tone it down just so they could be more popular, which is what the poster suggested to whom I was responding. Why would I want to censor people's voices?? I don't want to censor yours. If someone's voice grates on me, I hide them or read what they have to say & just keep on keepin on, because they don't speak to me.

This is like asking why I prefer Dostoevsky to Danielle Steele. Or why would I enjoy the smell of roses over the smell of geraniums. Because. That's the main reason right there. Just because. But even if I don't want to read Danielle Steele or smell geraniums, I don't want them changed to suit me. Because there are plenty of others for whom Ms Steele speaks and for whom geraniums evoke the most pleasant memories.

And I didn't say that she had broken any mold. I said, "She makes *me* think. She makes *me* feel." See what I did there? It's subjective. I was talking about myself, not about you, not about LaT, not about my sister, just about me.

Lots of the rest of the people here also do this for me. I found this thread to be an amazing forum for exchange of ideas, a place to debate, to see what each other thinks & feels about certain topics. Debates & exchanges of ideas are nearly always good things, IMO.

I get what Hannah has been trying to tell us. And for the record, please let me state one more time: I don't hate men, I don't hate women, I don't hate people in general. In fact I only ever hated one human being & he died, so I no longer hate anyone. Hate isn't good for the soul; it isn't conducive to making one's way toward health & well-being. And Hannah doesn't hate either. She has anger that she's working through. She stated here about how many men she has run into here on this forum who are helping her to see the good that she was unable to see before. Maybe she did hate but I hear her saying that she's realizing that's not how she feels anymore.

Yeah, I went through some shit, we all do. My shit wasn't any worse or any less than anyone else's here. My shit didn't make me a worse or a better person than anyone else here. But I'm still working through it. And sometimes I take breaks, sometimes for years. And then something slaps me in the face to make me realize there's more work to be done. A very close friend of mine told me a couple of weeks ago that she had thought that she'd dealt with some of her shit, and then learned that she had only shoved it under the carpet for awhile.

And through it all, I feel blessed to have lived the life that I have, to have survived the shit that I have & to have become the person I am still becoming at my advanced age.

Some people speak to me, others don't.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:24:37 PM)

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even if "only" for friendship. Or dinner and maybe a movie and ice cream afterward and only a kiss at the door and a good night.
see, that's part of the fucking problem. it starts out as "friend" and always seems to end up with "lets fuck", and when you say no, they either get pissed off and try to take it, get whiny and pathetic and try to convince you they've earned it, or they fucking just go away, leaving you wondering "what the fuck happened to being friends?"

with my lesbian friends, when one of them hits on me and i turn them down (or they turn me down) there's a bit of awkwardness for a while, but we stay friends. that never seems to happen with men.




sexyred1 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:25:23 PM)

Thanks for the reply, but you missed my point entirely.

But I am glad the thread is back; it has been really interesting.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:28:57 PM)

yeah, i swear at work. i swear when i'm talking to my family, i swear period. its one reason i don't usually go to people's houses if they have kids around. "hey, aren't you just the cutest fucking little pixie! what the fuck's your name?" ummm no, not the best fucking idea.




tj444 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:33:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

yeah, i swear at work. i swear when i'm talking to my family, i swear period. its one reason i don't usually go to people's houses if they have kids around. "hey, aren't you just the cutest fucking little pixie! what the fuck's your name?" ummm no, not the best fucking idea.


That was so funny. I can totally see you saying that to the cute pixie!




HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:44:02 PM)

i don't think i've broken any molds either. if i have that sure as fuck wasn't my intent. like i said to ladyp, i just post what i think and feel, and do it the way i talk because that's more comfortable to me. i have to make a conscious effort to keep the fuckings out most of the time. sometimes not, but usually yes.

i am disliked by some, argued with by many, and put on moderation as well. i was on for a week, got off, and got slapped with 2 weeks 27 hours later (all deserved, not complaining  about any of them). so i'm no different than any other poster, except that i swear a lot more and i seem to be freer with the insults (i happen to think most of mine are pretty fucking clever, but then again who doesn't like to think that). remember my old sig? "i type in black and i'm an asshole". i know what i come across as. i know i am abrasive, i know i am rude. but its the way i am, and its not going to change.




WyldHrt -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 9:51:19 PM)

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see, that's part of the fucking problem. it starts out as "friend" and always seems to end up with "lets fuck"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMiyg87UhL4
*ducks and runs from the guys in the thread*




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 10:21:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Thanks for the reply, but you missed my point entirely.

But I am glad the thread is back; it has been really interesting.


Ok, I guess I don't understand what your point was then. Which isn't unusual, it happens to me a lot. Would you mind clarifying it for me? Thank you.




hlen5 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 10:51:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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see, that's part of the fucking problem. it starts out as "friend" and always seems to end up with "lets fuck"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMiyg87UhL4
*ducks and runs from the guys in the thread*




Too funny!!




Kirata -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/15/2011 11:28:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

yeah, i swear at work. i swear when i'm talking to my family, i swear period. its one reason i don't usually go to people's houses if they have kids around. "hey, aren't you just the cutest fucking little pixie! what the fuck's your name?" ummm no, not the best fucking idea.

Oh that's funny! I did the same thing when I moved from New York City to a little town in Ohio. My now ex-wife was always elbowing me in the ribs. If I didn't use "fuck" in nearly every sentence, it was close.

I've mellowed since then. Heh.

But I gotta say, with regard to your opening post, and it's been pointed out at least twice before, the sample your views about men are based upon is badly skewed. That said, though, I recognize guys I've known from your description. If you didn't generalize your findings so widely, I'd have no basis to argue against the case.

K.





HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/16/2011 12:09:23 AM)

i'll accept that most of my sample were by definition less than fucking savoury, but not all. i tried not to generalize, i did say "the vast majority" and never did i say all.  if you surveyed 1500 men and 30 said "a" and the rest said "b", wouldn't your conclusion be that "the vast majority" of men think "b"? same fucking thing really, don't you think?




gungadin09 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/16/2011 12:18:46 AM)

Ha, ha. Kirata likes you. That's quite a compliment.

pam




Twoshoes -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/16/2011 12:39:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
up in the respectable world where most of you have lived your whole lives, its hidden. the wonderful, caring, intelligent men in your lives tuck it away until they come downtown and meet me. then they take off the masks they wear for your benefit and show their true colours. where i used to live, down in the gutter so to speak, its out in the fucking open, stripped naked and on display for all to see. the viciousness, the callousness, the infantile sense of entitlement, the ignorance, the insecurities, the fragile over-inflated egos, the manipulativness, the childish vindictiveness, the selfishness, the greed, the savegry and violence, and the sheer unimaginable self-centered, egotistical stupidity verging on outright idiocy. and the lies, the endless web of fucking lies they spin to justify themselves.

What about those men who are even willing to put on masks to impress prostitutes, because they need everyone to like them? (I haven't been with a prostitute, so this question might be really naive.)

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you wouldn't believe the number of pathetic little overgrown mummy's boys who fucked me and then cried like babies while i held them and soothed them and then beat the shit out of me because i'd seen them like that. and the shit they tell us, men trust whores with their deepest secrets. and trust me ladies, you sure as fuck do not want to know what your loving husbands, sons and fathers really think of you.

hannah lynn


Well, I have a question, actually: Did you get any (or a lot) of guys trying to "save" or coddle you?

I ask because when I was fucked up emotionally—around 18-20—some girls would be attracted to my vulnerability layered under my "I don't care about anything" attitude. That sort of caring yet distinctly sexual attention is both appealing and annoying to me. (Of course, they immediately become less interested when you let them in or take their advice, because the appeal seems to be in trying to draw out and nurture someone withdrawn.)

I'd like to point out that Doms in general tend to be very attracted to vulnerability and get off on it (especially the ones that have been abused themselves). So, the speech in your original post is a guaranteed way to make someone want to "help you", fall for you and then want to fuck you.

(In the interests of full disclosure: I'd probably want to fuck you. Although, with me being a man and all, I promise to keep that to myself and lie about it if necessary. Not out of respect for Heather who seems plenty nice, but simply because I'm real shady like that.)

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with my lesbian friends, when one of them hits on me and i turn them down (or they turn me down) there's a bit of awkwardness for a while, but we stay friends. that never seems to happen with men.

That's because when you're the type of person who would be friends with a girl after getting rejected, you don't typically get attributed enough "manliness" to be called a "man". You might fall into the nice/boyish/cute categories.

Women can be really annoying at times, too. They can use you to make their boyfriends jealous, or to convince themselves they're desirable when they're feeling insecure. Then, there is the "hey, I'm not getting intimate emotional attention from my boyfriend who's a jerk, but you are a guy I can trust, so please give me intimate male attention and affirmation". Some have to be reminded to not instinctivly put their hands on you whenever anyone notices you.

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the slut has a fucking opinion about everything!

Well, if that ever gets a bit much, just convince her that her opinions are so incredibly 'fucking' valuable that she should be writing them down in essay form. [8D] She is obviously a good writer; her mistakes actually stand out as opposed to being so prevalent that they get tuned out.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/16/2011 12:55:46 AM)

i know! i mean like wow!

smug self-satisfied [:)]




gungadin09 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/16/2011 12:59:59 AM)

hehehe... Bitch.

pam




HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/16/2011 1:20:03 AM)

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What about those men who are even willing to put on masks to impress prostitutes, because they need everyone to like them?
few and far between. they were usually pretty young and almost inevitably virgins or near virgins. or at least they claimed to be.

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Did you get any (or a lot) of guys trying to "save" or coddle you?
not one. i did get a few who wanted to "save" me from the street by making me a call girl. working for them and giving them a cut of course. but my feelings? i  only remember being asked how i felt about anything twice. once by a guy who hired girls to interview them about the life. and the other time i was asked what i felt about vander zalm.

we don't get much of that sort of behaviour, not sure if that's a lesbian thing, or because i'm involved, or because i'm basically a bitchy emotionally distant sort of acquaintance. and the hands, well fuck, i am touching her or her me pretty much all the time anyway. very fucking touchy-feely, one of our friends calls us the klingons.
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Well, if that ever gets a bit much, just convince her that her opinions are so incredibly 'fucking' valuable that she should be writing them down in essay form
you'd think that would be a good idea, but then she'd be bugging me all the fucking time about it - does this sound good, which way makes more sense, which word works better. i think i'll stick with the tried and true canadian method: duct tape!




HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/16/2011 1:24:40 AM)

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Bitch.
yes? you called?




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