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angelikaJ -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 4:41:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
..., we're talking hundreds of the fuckers. and not just low lifes, no, i'm talking school teachers, priests, politicians, lawyers, doctors, contractors, all sorts from every walk of life. regular fucking pillars of society. and they are pretty much all the same.

up in the respectable world where most of you have lived your whole lives, its hidden. the wonderful, caring, intelligent men in your lives tuck it away until they come downtown and meet me. then they take off the masks they wear for your benefit and show their true colours. where i used to live, down in the gutter so to speak, its out in the fucking open, stripped naked and on display for all to see. the viciousness, the callousness, the infantile sense of entitlement, the ignorance, the insecurities, the fragile over-inflated egos, the manipulativness, the childish vindictiveness, the selfishness, the greed, the savegry and violence, and the sheer unimaginable self-centered, egotistical stupidity verging on outright idiocy. and the lies, the endless web of fucking lies they spin to justify themselves.

you wouldn't believe the number of pathetic little overgrown mummy's boys who fucked me and then cried like babies while i held them and soothed them and then beat the shit out of me because i'd seen them like that. and the shit they tell us, men trust whores with their deepest secrets. and trust me ladies, you sure as fuck do not want to know what your loving husbands, sons and fathers really think of you.

hannah lynn



Hannah Lynn,
I've chosen not to read the other responses before posting.  I think your words are amazing in their rawness.  I think you have some very valid points.  You have seen the underbelly of the world, the shadow as Jung would call it, and you have been harmed by it.  Not many people see it over an extended period of time.  It can have devastating consequences.

I've talked a time or two about going to a strip club - the one and only time I ever went.  I was shocked by how many "regular guys" were there.  I thought it would be seedy and full of low lifes.  It wasn't.  It did make me wonder what men thought of "real women". 

For the record, I never thought you were a man-hater so much as you spoke the ugly truth that many of us don't want to acknowledge.  I've always respected you for that. Some people just haven't experienced it and are simple unaware.  I would remind you, also, that women can be as devious and hateful and disgusting and hurtful as men can be.  This is not to negate what you've said so much as to add to it. 

I wish you only the best,
sunshine



-This- I think brings balance to it.

I was not trying to negate Hannah's experience and hope I didn't.

It is just that I can see how from that one place of perspective, that could easily be the only conclusion one could reasonably draw.

I often envy people who can express themselves with such rawness without whatever filters it is I have.

I also know that many of us here have had our own versions of hell and for whatever reasons have very different outlooks and perceptions with which we view the world.

I stubbornly hold onto the notion that most people, women and men are good... despite the fact that my reasoning for believing such might be tenuous at best.

Raw and seemingly angry might make me uncomfortable, but it doesn't make anyone wrong, and I am glad for both the shared perspectives that Hannah brings despite my uncomfortabilities and the relationship energies and experiences that both she and Heather so generously share.

edit: grammar and shit




kalikshama -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 4:43:16 PM)

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I never thought you were a man-hater so much as you spoke the ugly truth that many of us don't want to acknowledge.  I've always respected you for that. Some people just haven't experienced it and are simple unaware.

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Mostly to Hannah (but also to Heather):

Thanks for sharing. You rock.

KK




tj444 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 4:44:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Confucius say "You sell pussy for living, you end up paying for it".

~SweetandSourDong


I never said anything about me or anyone else selling their pussies. I am not a gold digger or interested in sugar daddies or men that think they can buy me with money and such things. When I was younger I never even let a man buy me dinner unless he was already my boyfriend. I simply didnt want any guy think he could spend $$$ on me and expect my sweet little pussy in return by date 3.




jbcurious -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:00:30 PM)

This entire thread has been for naught...  haven't you all heard?  There's a new breed of man...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYGc06Zhtdc&feature=player_embedded#at=22




Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:04:18 PM)

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I never said anything about me or anyone else selling their pussies. I am not a gold digger or interested in sugar daddies or men that think they can buy me with money and such things. When I was younger I never even let a man buy me dinner unless he was already my boyfriend. I simply didnt want any guy think he could spend $$$ on me and expect my sweet little pussy in return by date 3.

That was just a random funny. Easssssy. :)




PeonForHer -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:05:53 PM)

Oh strewth . . . . Please. Please!




Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:07:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

This entire thread has been for naught...  haven't you all heard?  There's a new breed of man...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYGc06Zhtdc&feature=player_embedded#at=22


That burning at the stake only happened once..you make a single mistake and it haunts you for life....




PeonForHer -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:14:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Hib, who just hopes for that 1%


It was 2%, not 1%. You're too jaded, Lady Hib. Things are twice as good as you think!




jbcurious -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:14:36 PM)

You'd think people would be over it by now...




dcnovice -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:15:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Everybody here regards me as their hero.  No need to be jealous.


No, actually. Everybody here regards you as the price we pay for free speech.




Arpig -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:15:21 PM)

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Oh and the good and decent men I know? They don't treat whores differently because they don't go to them. Yeah, it's a fact. No I am not naive. These are my guys and they tell me everything. Not all men fuck prostitutes for god sake. Not all men cheat.
You know Aynne, I really don't know why you have such a hate on for Hannah over this thread, but from your posts its clear you do. I don't really care, to be honest, she'll deal with your attacks or not as she sees fit. But the bit quoted above is complete bullshit.

First of all, the "dozens of amazing male friends I have that have helped me move, gone on trips with me, helped me when I was living on my own by crashing on the couch on nights I wanted some company, gone ice fishing and to art galleries to bar hopping with me" tell you everything? They have revealed to you every sordid detail of their sex lives? Please, don't insult our intelligence by making that claim. Unless you can account for their whereabouts 24/7 for their entire adult lives, you cannot be 100% certain they have never been with a prostitute. In fact you specifically state that at least one of those wonderful men has indeed hired one, so you expose your lie in the same post you make it. Good job!

Now to do some number crunching, to prove to you just how damned naive you really are (that's assuming you aren't just knowingly lying through your teeth).

You are talking about dozens, so lets say 50, to make the math simpler. According to Kinsey, 70% of adult men reported using a prostitute at least once, so that would give us 35 of your amazing male friends who have hired a hooker. (Wow! We're only on step one and most of these amazing, wonderful guys have lied to you already).

It is estimated that 1% of the adult female population of the U.S. are prostitutes. So using some round numbers for simplicity's sake, that gives us 750,000 prostitutes in the U.S. (300,000,000 population, 1/2 being adult, 1/2 of those being women = 75,000,000).

Now, according to surveys of prostitutes, they average between 700 and 850 individual acts of prostitution a year, so let's go with 750. So by multiplying the number of prostitutes by the number of encounters, we'll get the total numbr of times men in the U.S. hired a prostitute. Brace yourself, its a shocker...562,500,000. That's right, over five hundred and fifty million times a year!! Eye opening isn't it.

Now, the next step is to figure out how many encounters this is per adult male. We divide that surprisingly large number by the number of adult males (1/4 of population, as above for women, or 75,000,000), which gives us a staggering 7.5 acts of prostitution per adult male per year. So between them, your 50 amazing men would be expected, statistically, to have hired a prostitute a total of 350 times between them every year.

Since we established earlier that only 35 of them had ever hired a prostitute, that makes 10 acts of prostitution each, every year. Since we can assume that a good number of them don't hire them regularly, we can get rid of some of them as one time users, let's be generous and say we knock off just over half, leaving us 15 who use prostitutes regularly, this means they are doing so on average 23 times a year. roughly every payday. So roughly 1/3 of your amazing male friends who claim to never go to a whore, can statistically be expected to do just that every payday.

Now, I realize we're juggling national averages and thus cannot state anything for certain, but given that 1/3 of any group of men can b expected to hire a prostitute every 2 weeks, I think your claim that none of these "dozens" ever hires a whore as a certainty is pretty obviously incorrect. Therefore, you are either incredibly naive and good number of your amazing male friends are lying bastards who are seeing a hooker behind their wives back, or you're outright lying, just to try make Hannah look bad. Which is it Aynne, are you a dupe, or a lair?

Another interesting statistic that backs up what Hannah has claimed and Linnaea has confirmed, is that prostitution is a very dangerous business, with 204 deaths per 100,000 every year...that's around 1500 dead whores annually. One of the most dangerous ways to make a living for a civilian. This is higher than for police, or firemen! So, it's a pretty safe bet that these amazing friends of yours are probably not being perfect gentlemen on all their bi-weekly visits to their local whores. You know the ones I mean, the visits they forgot to mention to you.

As well, the stats simply disprove the idea that only a small group of very bad men use prostitutes. The facts would appear to be that most men do, and a good chunk of them do so regularly.

You! Aynne88, are the weakest link...goodbye.
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If you want to check my numbers, my sources are listed below.
http://www.11points.com/Dating-Sex/11_Myths_and_Facts_About_Prostitution_in_America
http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC17351/







angelikaJ -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:15:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Confucius say "You sell pussy for living, you end up paying for it".

~SweetandSourDong



He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

from John 8 verse 7





Aynne88 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:15:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Also, a whore is a whore I suppose


I wasn't saying anything about you putting down prostitutes.

Yes a whore is a whore..one thing though on that whole issue. Could anyone really expect to get Mr. Right when dealing with so many right now's? I wouldn't expect to go to a corner to buy crack and find the nicest dealer the earth has ever known.

We make our beds in life and then cry about it being messed up when we bought the sheets, the mattress and made a living from it then tried to have a good nights sleep after it with the "one's we love".

Did she really think she was gonna meet and upstanding wonderful top-shelf sorts when you're looking on the floor. She was after money, they sex..both used one another and I'm sure didn't have much respect for the other person in that situation.

Hell she still uses men and I'm sure it's justified to her because she was treated so badly while trying to grab a buck from a fuck and suck.

Anyway you look at it..it just doesn't seem to add up to a positive. know what i mean.



Yep. I do. Sorry I thought you were referring to me being a reformed "sugar daddy" dater as being the same as a prostitute. ;-) And if you were, I still love you. In all seriousness though, I agree with what you said above 100%. You can justify anything I guess by quoting past experiences and no one here can prove or disprove any of it, I just find the fear, bitterness, negativity and all that jazz just sad. I really am surprised by some of the posters on this thread that are on the "most men suck" bandwagon. Find a better class of men I guess.  




Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:23:16 PM)

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Find a better class of men I guess.

Yep, true dat and be a better class of woman you might get what you put out. Wanna attract good people, be what good people want.

Don't know how many times I've heard something like that thrown out there on these forums. :)

Nah I was making another point that might have been too cryptic I guess. Not directed towards you buuuuuuut since you brought it up..:) but I still love you too.




Aynne88 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:25:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Oh and the good and decent men I know? They don't treat whores differently because they don't go to them. Yeah, it's a fact. No I am not naive. These are my guys and they tell me everything. Not all men fuck prostitutes for god sake. Not all men cheat.
You know Aynne, I really don't know why you have such a hate on for Hannah over this thread, but from your posts its clear you do. I don't really care, to be honest, she'll deal with your attacks or not as she sees fit. But the bit quoted above is complete bullshit.

First of all, the "dozens of amazing male friends I have that have helped me move, gone on trips with me, helped me when I was living on my own by crashing on the couch on nights I wanted some company, gone ice fishing and to art galleries to bar hopping with me" tell you everything? They have revealed to you every sordid detail of their sex lives? Please, don't insult our intelligence by making that claim. Unless you can account for their whereabouts 24/7 for their entire adult lives, you cannot be 100% certain they have never been with a prostitute. In fact you specifically state that at least one of those wonderful men has indeed hired one, so you expose your lie in the same post you make it. Good job!

Now to do some number crunching, to prove to you just how damned naive you really are (that's assuming you aren't just knowingly lying through your teeth).

You are talking about dozens, so lets say 50, to make the math simpler. According to Kinsey, 70% of adult men reported using a prostitute at least once, so that would give us 35 of your amazing male friends who have hired a hooker. (Wow! We're only on step one and most of these amazing, wonderful guys have lied to you already).

It is estimated that 1% of the adult female population of the U.S. are prostitutes. So using some round numbers for simplicity's sake, that gives us 750,000 prostitutes in the U.S. (300,000,000 population, 1/2 being adult, 1/2 of those being women = 75,000,000).

Now, according to surveys of prostitutes, they average between 700 and 850 individual acts of prostitution a year, so let's go with 750. So by multiplying the number of prostitutes by the number of encounters, we'll get the total numbr of times men in the U.S. hired a prostitute. Brace yourself, its a shocker...562,500,000. That's right, over five hundred and fifty million times a year!! Eye opening isn't it.

Now, the next step is to figure out how many encounters this is per adult male. We divide that surprisingly large number by the number of adult males (1/4 of population, as above for women, or 75,000,000), which gives us a staggering 7.5 acts of prostitution per adult male per year. So between them, your 50 amazing men would be expected, statistically, to have hired a prostitute a total of 350 times between them every year.

Since we established earlier that only 35 of them had ever hired a prostitute, that makes 10 acts of prostitution each, every year. Since we can assume that a good number of them don't hire them regularly, we can get rid of some of them as one time users, let's be generous and say we knock off just over half, leaving us 15 who use prostitutes regularly, this means they are doing so on average 23 times a year. roughly every payday. So roughly 1/3 of your amazing male friends who claim to never go to a whore, can statistically be expected to do just that every payday.

Now, I realize we're juggling national averages and thus cannot state anything for certain, but given that 1/3 of any group of men can b expected to hire a prostitute every 2 weeks, I think your claim that none of these "dozens" ever hires a whore as a certainty is pretty obviously incorrect. Therefore, you are either incredibly naive and good number of your amazing male friends are lying bastards who are seeing a hooker behind their wives back, or you're outright lying, just to try make Hannah look bad. Which is it Aynne, are you a dupe, or a lair?

Another interesting statistic that backs up what Hannah has claimed and Linnaea has confirmed, is that prostitution is a very dangerous business, with 204 deaths per 100,000 every year...that's around 1500 dead whores annually. One of the most dangerous ways to make a living for a civilian. This is higher than for police, or firemen! So, it's a pretty safe bet that these amazing friends of yours are probably not being perfect gentlemen on all their bi-weekly visits to their local whores. You know the ones I mean, the visits they forgot to mention to you.

As well, the stats simply disprove the idea that only a small group of very bad men use prostitutes. The facts would appear to be that most men do, and a good chunk of them do so regularly.

You! Aynne88, are the weakest link...goodbye.
____________________________________________
If you want to check my numbers, my sources are listed below.
http://www.11points.com/Dating-Sex/11_Myths_and_Facts_About_Prostitution_in_America
http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC17351/






Arpig, no hate for Hannah, and she sure as fuck doesn't need your defense,she handles herself well. chill guy. I said that my guy, as in the ONE I am with and I together have hired a call girl. I don't claim that kinky sadistic bastard that I love to be one of the "wonderful" male friends I have, not by a long shot. Not the buddies I hang with, they are pretty vanilla types. Dude I am  trying to defend men for fuck sake. I can't really get why you see hatred for Hannah here, that's bizzare. You are getting a little worked up, hitting close to home or something? I didn't say that I hated anyone, or even prostitution. I think sex workers should be legalized and protected under law.I have posted that here many times in P&R. That whole blah de blah factsual post about prostituion? What the hell was that for? I was referring solely to the fact that there are good men, lot's of them, I know them, I love them, and  they exist. I don't dig the anger here, and I think it sucks and it's sad that someone as young as Hannah or Heather are so jaded and so afraid of men. (their words).

So why the weird personal attack on me? I am really kind of shaking my head on this one.  Odd. Sorry to defend your gender, and apparently you want to be in the "all men are dicks" camp. Check. Duly noted. I never thought that before, I always thought you were funny, and kind of cool. What lurks beneath.....wow. 




LadyHibiscus -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:30:23 PM)

I was seeing big time hate and shaming for Hannah, and for sex workers. Glad it's not true.




Aynne88 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:33:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Confucius say "You sell pussy for living, you end up paying for it".

~SweetandSourDong



Shut up Icarys, you..you man you! Go and get your required prostitute!  All men do it! Then come back and lie about it say you never have and I will believe you and Arpig can say I hate ...whomever and am naive. ;-) Man I have never been called naive in my fucking life, that is one thing I have eluded. I feel complete.

I'm gonna go to Platinum Plus this weekend and buy my man a ho just so I can contribute to .... something. I'm so fucking confused now. I have to go hate on some man somewhere.

Arpig....sighs. You missed my entire point doll. You guys have fun. I have to make dinner for a wonderful guy. If you feel better, I can try and hate fuck him later.

Hannah, truly, I hope you take a breath and read between the lines.  




Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:38:59 PM)

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He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

I've got two stones I wouldn't mind throwing at her...just saying.

Seriously though that's a funny phrase and the idea of tolerance being tossed out there on a forum, such as this, is amusing. We talk about tolerance and have it when it suits us and it usually suits us when it's directed towards those we like.

Tolerance only impresses me when it's shown in the worst of times for those that might normally turn our stomach.. Tolerance for a friend is easy. Tolerance for an enemy is a better gauge.




Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:43:02 PM)

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Shut up Icarys, you..you man you! Go and get your required prostitute!
[:D]




tj444 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:43:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I never said anything about me or anyone else selling their pussies. I am not a gold digger or interested in sugar daddies or men that think they can buy me with money and such things. When I was younger I never even let a man buy me dinner unless he was already my boyfriend. I simply didnt want any guy think he could spend $$$ on me and expect my sweet little pussy in return by date 3.

That was just a random funny. Easssssy. :)


Ok, I wasnt sure if you were responding to something you thought i said. I wasnt upset or anything anyway. :)





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