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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 8:02:06 PM   
Icarys


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The redundant phrase "tad bit" is maddening.

Hell I thought she had me on ignore..I figure if someone does such a thing they'd not think what a person says is worth their time yet here she is commenting on something I've said in a feeble attempt I suppose to get a rise out of me.

Here's a tidbit for ya: Ever notice how the majority of the women that call themselves Lady are usually anything but. I know I have..matter of fact I can only think of two that would actually be ladies when using a title like that. :> (On this forum BTW) I've known many ladies in my life.

Your turn.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 8:21:20 PM   
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No matter what the statistics show or don't show, the reality is that nobody really ever knows anyone else.


I could not disagree more.  Maybe it's unusual for people to really know each other, but your statement is pretty extreme, and does not reflect my current relationship.  Or, for the matter, my former marriage.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 8:36:11 PM   
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So now that I have read all NINE pages of this nonsense, and even though by the time I finish this post, I will need to read another two to catch up, time to chime in.

Early on, someone (the connection here is too horrible for me to go back and look who, sorry) said something to the tune of, "all men are scumbags and all women pyschotic."  Thing is all of either are neither (that is so funny sounding).  The fact is that men and women, as most of us know, function differently.  We THINK differently.  What's really funny is that I just had this discussion earlier with a friend of mine about his girlfriend.  She does have some true psychological issues (not being mean, she medically does, he knew going in), and every time her period doesn't arrive exactly when she thinks it should, she thinks that she is pregnant.  They always practice safe sex, while possible, highly unlikely that she is.  She forgets that her medication, stress and everything else can mess up the cycle.

So what's my point?  It's HIS reaction that I believe she is looking for.  Not that she is consciously trying to "test" him, but simply that to most females, EVERYTHING is symbolic in relationships.  I mean abso-fucking-lutely everything, from how the guy kisses her, how often he calls, to how he holds her hand or how long before he orgasms during sex.  Hate to say it but NocturnalStalker's post about his girlfriend being over is more dead on about guy's thought patterns than anybody wants to admit.  My friend's girlfriend doesn't want him to remind her that they ALWAYS use condoms and withdrawal methods and she is so unlikely pregnant.  She wants him to respond to how he FEELS about having that situation happen.

Now of course, a lot of the women will come on here and say, "oh I don't think that way at all."  But women are much more analytical than men in that regard.  Perhaps it comes from centuries of having to multi-task, taking care of the children the house AND help with the farm, but women will naturally think more steps ahead about the relationship than a guy.

I've found another example is sleeping.  Ever notice how when men decide they are going to go to sleep, they are out quickly while women tend to think over the day and take longer to get to sleep?  Most men are able to simply "shut down" and go to sleep.  They are much better with single minded thought patterns about life.  Of course, there are the guys that aren't like that, and I don't need to hear anything from them anymore than the women about how they are not looking more symbolically at everything.

This isn't to insult anyone.  Aynne88, you really think your guy friends show you who they are?  When you got up and had coffee the next morning after they slept on your couch to keep you company, did they roll off the couch scratching their balls?  I kind of doubt they did.  You would find it "distasteful" and it is a side of themselves they aren't going to show you.  That's not a bad thing in any way, it is simply that they don't consider you "one of the boys" and act accordingly.

Guys scratch their balls and get together and fart, burp and drink beer and find it enormously amusing.  Generally they keep that behavior from the women because women find it gross.  Just like women try to make men believe that they don't ever fart or burp or have smelly shit.  It's the way of the world.  Some may remember how the show "Sex and the City" spent an episode talking about "secret female behavior."  Well, there is "secret male behavior" as well. 

I used to bartend in a strip joint and I made more than the dancers without ever being touched.  Yep, we had the regulars, and it was quite the ecclectic group.  Some were unsavory characters, others basic blue collar laborers and then the businessmen.  Had regulars in every group.  They had wives, girlfriends, kids.  Did they all come in there to cheat on their spouses?  Hell no.  Did some of them?  Sure.  Could have been as simple as paying for a lap dance, but their wives sure as hell wouldn't have approved.  Did it make them assholes or scumbags?  Nope.  Some naturally were, others weren't.  Their behavior in the bar didn't change who they were at home or in their core. 

I asked a couple of the guys why they came in all the time, why they would waste money on lap dances and such.  Funny thing is that a good many of them didn't tip the dancers (they tipped me, lol).  It was somewhere for them to get away from women, to just not have to worry about behaving the way their wives wanted.

It's sad that Hannah had the experiences she did.  It's also sad that Aynne88 used men the way she did.  It's obvious that early on, both experienced some things that caused them to do what they did later, even if it was being done for survival's sake.

Aynne88 grew and changed over the years and from what she posts is now in a healthy, happy relationship.  Hannah is doing the same with Heather.  Difference is that Hannah has not had as many years as Aynne88 to learn to see men differently.  That's not an insult to Aynne88's age, just a fact.  They are years apart.  Hannah will get where she is going when the time comes just like Aynne88 did.  I used Aynne88 only because there seemed to be a lot of discussion about which was more wrong. 

In the end, all men aren't scumbags and all women are not psychotic.  When that seems to be occuring it is only because neither has ever learned how the other communicates.  That's probably the coolest thing about BDSM.  It tends to make couples communicate their wants/needs/desires with each other more effectively.  The men and the women learn how to communicate in ways the other will understand.  That seems to happen less in the "vanilla" world.  As someone else said (Icarys maybe?)...we all come with baggage.  It is how we handle that baggage in the new relationship that makes all the difference.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 8:38:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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She has exposed her vulnerability to Heather.. that's good enough. She doesn't need to show the rest of the world, nor apologize to the rest of the world for protecting herself.



Nope. On the whole I agree. But fear or hatred hurts oneself, as well as the person one hates or fears. I suspect Geoff is well aware of that.

It takes a while to get to that realisation, though.



A quote on hate I heard years ago." Half the people you hate don't know it. And the other half don't give a fuck."

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 9:16:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

My male pals that "speak freely" uphold LaT's theory. Couple beers, and it's a done deal.


3 drinks will usually do it at a club or bar.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 9:45:36 PM   
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I am not sure where this thread turned into one woman's declaration of why she hates men
ok listen up jersey, and every fucking body else. i don't fucking hate men. i have every reason to, they have proven themselves over and over to be the worst kind of scum and assholes. users and abusers, woman haters, liars, cheats and just plain fuckwits. what i do is distrust them altogether, again because they have proven themselves over and over to be untrustworthy. not just when i was turning tricks, but also during the 4 years i was a wandering street dweller.

but like heather tried to explain, every man i meet i place in the good category, he's a 2-percenter as she put it. its up to the man where he ends up. he starts at the top, and the way he behaves determines where he ends up. do i expect him to fuck up? fuck yes. why? because they almost always fucking do.

is that fucking clear enough? its the men themselves who confirm my fucking hypothesis over and over.

i had just typed a whole long bunch of shit, but fuck it, you don't want to hear it and i don't really want to tell you.

so instead i'm going to ramble about all of you, and what you mean to me.

here on cm, all the men started out as provisionally good. so far 3 have proven themselves to be outright fucking predators to be avoided at all fucking costs. 5 are just useless fucks, typical men, not to be trusted at all. and 7 are in my estimation solid as a rock in the 2% (and don't worry about what you should do peon, just do what you do, you're the fucking gibralter of those rock solid ones). there's one more i'm almost ready to tuck into the definitely safely trustworthy. the rest are still provisionally "good". time and their behaviour alone will tell.

that's why i like it here, the men on here are beating the odds. you say i need to find a way to heal? well what the fuck do you think i'm trying to do you dumb fuckers. and part of my healing, of my learning to trust again is this fucking place. i stumbled on cm for the other side, i was looking for a domme. a few of the regulars wrote me and one suggested i check out the boards, so one night when i was bored with the useless tripe that passes for a domme on the other side i did. i lurked and read, and thought by christ's purple balls, these men are fucking real. they are truthful about what they want, they admit caring, there was a thread where all these evil fucking sadistic masters were going on about how they never really stopped loving the women they loved, how those women would always be part of them. holy fucking christ on a cupcake! these are the types who used to leave me tied and naked in a motel room when they were done and laugh when i asked to be untied before they left. and they are publiclly saying they never fall out of love!! these men not only admit they love, they require it. and they admit to hating, and they admit being fucked up. they revel in their perversity. they help people when they need help and they bitch slap them when they need that.

i thought to myself, maybe i've found them, maybe i've found that hidden place where the trustworthy men hide. these weren't men pretending to be upstanding citizens while hiding their dark perverted side away to only be let out in secrecy and shame, they were fucking proud of their dark sides. maybe i could trust an evil bastard who openly announces he's an evil bastard.

and the fucking women were the same, happily being sick little fucks. and everybody was accepting each other, sure there were fights and squabbles, and there were rivalries and obviously long standing dislikes. but even with those you accept each other. nobody was fucking ostracized. it wasn't like the munches where you'd be openly snubbed and ignored if you didn't fucking fit into their narrow minded pigeon holes. you guys invited the fucking weirdos and newbies to speak up for fuck's sake, and there was none of the fucking "call me master" bullshit. some of you even called eachother by silly semi derogatory nicknames. fucking unreal. you had a guy openly posting under the name of fukintroll for fuck's sake.

so i thought fuck it, make a new start, i'd just found heather, so i made the couples profile, closed down my old sub one and made my intro thread. and like i said, so far you guys are beating the odds. the proven shit only outnumber the proven good by 1. instead of 49 to 1, you're running 8 to fucking 7!

and heather, holy fucking mother mary's tits! you've been fucking wonderful with her. i can never thank you all enough for the way you welcomed her. the fucking change in her over the last 3 weeks is enormous, she's confident, excited about school, and fucking opinionated!! the slut has a fucking opinion about everything!

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 9:54:25 PM   
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I haven't read the whole thread -and don't have currently have the time to do so either- just some random posts here and there, but I want to address Hannah's opening post.

As a woman who has been through similar things you describe having been though, albeit seemingly not as long (mid-teens to early twenties), I can concur with most of what you're said, because I've seen the exact same things you are talking about.

I seen, lived, experienced the scum of the earth when it comes to men, both those who proudly displayed it and let their conventional mask down because I was nothing but a whore to them after all (dammit peon where where you when I was working in Amsterdam?) as well as those who fell short on trying to uphold the mask they where holding in front to try to... appease me.
You're right Hannah, they are pure scum, and the good ones where rare and far in between... so far they seemed non-existing at times.

However, there is one way in which I must disagree with your analysis when it comes to men in general and that is this: the situation you describe hardly let you come in contact with an average cross section of men in general.
This is because, despite you having met men from all walks of lives and all professions, the men you prostituted yourself to, the men you met living on the street, they also all had one thing in common: they where all the sort of men that actually goes downtown in search for the gutter, in search for a whore.
The very fact that they all had that thing in common, that they where all men attracted to those circumstances also makes that they are not an average cross section of men.

Not all men are like that, and in fact, I'd have to say, not even most men are like that.
You're right that most all of the sort of men who goes in search of such things is the type you describe; though if you feel that implies that most all other men that don't go in search those types of things are also the scum of the earth you are misguided by your lack of a more broad sample group.

That's not to say that some of the men who aren't in search of sexual adventures of that sort aren't scum to, some of them are indeed, but far less, and far less extreme than the type you would have come across on the street.

When considering the men I met in my late teens to early twenties, I doubt that 1 in 50 actually was a good guy, it was less -far less- than that; however, when considering the men I've met since then there been far more good ones than just 1 in 50.
I seriously doubt that men as a sex changed in my early twenties... though the environment where I came in contact with men certainly did.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 10:09:35 PM   
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Hannah... have you ever thought that maybe the reason youve met so many shitbags was the situations you were in? I've drifted quite a bit over the last 6 years or so, basically been from Boston to LA. Ive met alot of users and abusers, both men AND women. Ive also done alot of things that, looking back, Im not proud of. However, I also realize that this is what happens when you are in a situation like that, you meet the dregs of society.

I'm glad you are finding this site to be healing. I think this board actually provides a better sense of the type of people in the lifestyle, both because there are so many members, and because we're all spread out. Will alot of members, like myself, be straight up with you when we thing you're out of line? Yeah. Understand though, its not out of anger or dislike most of the time. Its actually because we can see the potential in you. Personally, I see you as a female version of me when I first came here, angry, mistrustful, hurt, yet also intelligent and wanting to feel like someone gives a fuck. I hope you keep posting here, but damn, tone it down, ya? You'll have alot more friends that way (and wont end up on moderation either).

As for Heather, I hope she keeps posting here too. She seems like a genuine, nice, intelligent gal, and I like her.

Just my thoughts this evening.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 10:28:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

No matter what the statistics show or don't show, the reality is that nobody really ever knows anyone else.


I could not disagree more.  Maybe it's unusual for people to really know each other, but your statement is pretty extreme, and does not reflect my current relationship.  Or, for the matter, my former marriage.


Sorry, little fox, but what you think that you know about these people is what they have chosen & are able to share with you. You have not been there to witness every single thing that they have been through. And even if you had, you'd only be a witness & processing the event through your own brain. And over the years, our memories of events change & lose focus. Ever had one of those moments where you think so hard about saying something or doing something that eventually you're nearly convinced that you already said it or did it? I'm not saying that these people willingly withhold from you to be meanies. I'm saying that no human on the face of this earth is a completely open book, not to themselves even.

My sister & I have long talks about our childhoods & we rarely agree about what happened or who said what. And I know there's shit I've blocked, big old black holes in my brain where the memories should be, but they aren't there anymore. I don't willfully refuse to share of myself, but there's shit I can't share, stuff nobody will ever know that wasn't a witness.

And you know how reliable eyewitness reports are, right? 6 people can look at exactly the same event unfolding & they will have 6 different versions of what happened. It's the nature of the human brain. We are not programmable recorders. We take stuff in, we do stuff, we hear stuff & then it goes around in our brains & comes out different.

I got a roll of film developed years after a Christmas & I looked at every picture on that roll & I knew that I was there because I was in some of the pictures & I recognized the people there, they were my family, but had someone asked me to tell them anything about that Christmas that wasn't in one of those pictures, I wouldn't have been able to. Because I have not one single conscious memory of that Christmas. Not one. Not one that got jogged by looking over & over at those pictures. Nothing.

It happens. So I stand by my statement. You can think that you know all there is to know about a person, but it's impossible.

And as for Hannah toning it down? I hope to Hell she doesn't!! I love how raw & real she is on these boards. She makes me think. She makes me feel. And it's about fucking time someone here did that!!!

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 10:32:58 PM   
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i think one of your errors is in assuming that other women who haven't lived the life you have DON'T see the truth about them. frankly, a lot of us do.
lesbianism as a refuge from prostitution isn't anything new. even in history, women often turned to other women for real emotional security because they were viewed as commodities by men (and of course the men don't judge themselves negatively for patronizing them =p) -- but people often act as though, without females/prostitutes, there would be no prostitution, to which i must wholeheartedly DISAGREE -- who thought up the idea that you should totally pay me to marry my daughter? a man. =p

at the same time, though, people can only really create their idea of you based on what you post... when you say stuff like "the average male dom is too stupid to do X" what do you expect them to think? explaining a bit about your background does something, sure, but bitterness is still bitterness regardless of where it comes from.
for me, i had a run in with a guy who liked little girls. it did a lot of really wacky stuff to my head, and was the beginning of my issues with trusting people. for the longest time i didn't even want male humans to touch me. =p
but like you said, a good man is really good, and i've had plenty of experiences with them to tell me "while some of them aren't so nice, some others of them are very."

and women aren't saints eithers. women can be manipulative, they can be passive-aggressive, they can be destructive women will drown their children and poison their spouses, all while saying "i love you." women can be pretty evil. human nature is like water, it often seeks out the lowest point. this is regardless of gender.
I sincerely admire your maturity, and wit.

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I don't know, I must have some kind of divining rod for great men then, because starting with the ones in my family to my ex-husband who for 23 years put up with my shit, and was amazing, just not meant to be my husband, to the man I am with now that would lay down his life for me to the dozens of amazing male friends I have that have helped me move, gone on trips with me, helped me when I was living on my own by crashing on the couch on nights I wanted some company, gone ice fishing and to art galleries to bar hopping with me, they have all just rocked.

Oh and not all men hate their wives and/or girlfriends and not all men emotionally unload their disdain for their women on "whores" your word not mine. I have consoled many a drunken sobbing mess of a man that has had his heart broken while as his bartender he unloaded for hours. So ladies, I will tell you what your man,husband,boyfriend thinks of you. For the most part, they love you. They worry about you and want to protect you, and yes they are often times faithful. I have seen more men traveling through on business getting hit on by some of the local skanks around here and clearly say no. More, many more, than they say yes. So it's not so clear cut. I have been behind a bar for 23 years and seen and heard it all. Men are just as vulnerable, faithful and loving as women. Not all, the world isn't an absolute. But one in 50? Hell no.

I don't know how you can say you aren't a man hater and post this shit including 1 in 50 men are decent or good...if a dude posted that we would all jump on the misogyny bandwagon.

I absolutely believe your experiences are valid and they are yours.
I have had bitter moments, maybe even a couple of years there where I would have agreed with the OP. Than, I remember my dad, and many men in my family, or that I've dated... I would not avoid lesbianism, if I were so inclined, but not because I thought women were less manipulative, evil, or capable of killing men, and eating their young.

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It takes two to fuck.
For each of those guys out there having sex behind someone's back, there is a woman (and sometimes a man) who is also participating and making a choice. It is beyond easy to read if someone is married.

Without doubt, the sins and shortcomings of males as a whole are long and there are some despicable examples out there in the world in the best of places. But men don't have to look up very far to see the end of the female list of sins and shortcomings.
Amen!

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Wether or not you consider yourself a lesbian or bisexual or whatever, the fact remains, you are a man hater, simply because you lump us all into the same category. Really, sexism is no different from racism in my mind. Its still a mass judgement of a group of people, simply based on coincidences of birth.
Wise words. I'm glad you remain open minded, regardless of your experiences.

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I'm an insensitive jerk but I'm not to the point of taking advantage of women. Sure they can be loud and demanding of your attention to the point where you just want to tell them to back off so you can breathe but no, they don't. They keep going on, and on about their day. I don't care what they did today, it's the same as any other day! Then they'll find something cute or funny on the Internet and you gotta watch because oh hey, you're the loving boyfriend that is all smiles like it's a grand adventure so you watch it and it is usually something dumb like a cat falling asleep but you pretend it's cute but you can't go too much or she'll think you're gay. Don't get me started about the showers either. Lord knows I take an hour myself but if you're in my apartment you're going to have to hurry it up because I got stuff to do and waiting around for your tanned Italian ass to get through denying me of hot water is something that just eats away at my every last bit of patience until you just want to clench your fist and punch your wall in but then you'll risk breaking your hand and having to pay repairs and it's not worth it but then even worse is the cooking. I hate when they can't cook but you got to be nice and a total wallflower about it and tell them they're great and future wife material but deep down you don't mean it you're just saying that so she'll open up to the idea of kinky sex but she never does it's all about the fucking scented candles and "passionate love-making" with her and you're left wondering how much more you can take before you just want to TAKE YOUR DAMN FIST AND RAM IT DOWN SOMEBODY'S THROAT AND PULL OUT THEIR STILL-BEATING HEART.
This is the best post ever, by NocturnalStalker.

I find this thread nearly unbelievable, and how acceptable it has been to so many here. Congratulations HLH. M

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 10:40:11 PM   
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I hope you keep posting here, but damn, tone it down, ya?
I'm sure that a lot of people would think that would just be the bombdiggity, but I have to disagree, as soon as she does that, voifuckingla! she'll loose most of her hannerliness.


HA!!! Take that Arpig! Three! Count em, THREE Words of the Day in a single coherent, on topic and relevant sentence!

I am da bomb!! I rulz!! You know where you can put your measly off topic two-worder now, eh?.


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 10:58:18 PM   
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I am not sure where this thread turned into one woman's declaration of why she hates men
ok listen up jersey, and every fucking body else. i don't fucking hate men. i have every reason to, they have proven themselves over and over to be the worst kind of scum and assholes. users and abusers, woman haters, liars, cheats and just plain fuckwits. what i do is distrust them altogether, again because they have proven themselves over and over to be untrustworthy. not just when i was turning tricks, but also during the 4 years i was a wandering street dweller.
LaT would usually tell you, that your choices, are your responsibility. You attracted asshat men, because you are/need one. I don't see taking responsibility for your choices being accounted for here.

I know, we're more understanding of people we're attracted to, and all, but something is amiss in this thread. Oh well. M


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/14/2011 11:09:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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I hope you keep posting here, but damn, tone it down, ya?
I'm sure that a lot of people would think that would just be the bombdiggity, but I have to disagree, as soon as she does that, voifuckingla! she'll loose most of her hannerliness.



This.

I rather enjoy her posts and the way she expresses herself. I also enjoy Heather's posts. I hope that neither of them censor themselves just because something that's said - or the way it's said - ruffles a few people's feathers.

And quite frankly I don't understand why anyone would let a faceless stranger on the internet have so much power over how they're feeling on any given day. If either Hannah or Heather aren't your personal cup of tea just look to the next post. It's that simple. There's no rule that states you've got to read every message posted to a forum you happen to be a member at. There's not enough time in the day, and not enough fuck to be given.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/15/2011 1:18:15 AM   
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You attracted asshat men
no i'm fucking well not. what a daft fucking thing to say in a thread about trying to deal with the after effects of being exploited and abused when destitute and vulnerable. a thread about how men fucking disregarded my humanity because i was at first a street person and then a hooker. a thread about how they revealed a very unpleasant and vile side of themselves because nobody was watching and i didn't fucking matter to them in the least. a thread about how difficult it is to trust any man after what the men i encountered had shown me about men.

these weren't men i was fucking attracted to for fuck's sake! these were either predators or fucking johns. what the fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension that you would make such a totally fucked up observation? sweet christ's blood on toast woman, pay attention for fuck's sake. its a thread about learning to fucking trust men again, after having seen them at their absolute fucking worst.

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I don't see taking responsibility for your choices being accounted for here.
because its totally fucking irrelevant to the topic, that's why you don't see a fucking thing a bout it!

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something is amiss in this thread.
fucking right there is, you're posting on it, but you're replying to a completely different fucked up thread.

jesusjesusjesusjesus!!!!! get with the fucking program!


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/15/2011 1:21:39 AM   
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gawd, Heather.. I love reading your posts, in no small part because of things like this
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sweet christ's blood on toast


love the christ on a cupcake one too LOL

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/15/2011 1:25:38 AM   
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Just FYI, I'm not saying heal yourself. Part of you may be damaged forever. It happens. I'm saying: use your fine mind, your tremendous energy, and your horrible experiences to help others. Ask yourself the question more often, "What does this person need to know that I already know?"

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/15/2011 1:31:45 AM   
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I really like Hannah. :)


Me too.

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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/15/2011 3:17:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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rates in the range of 15% to 20%...

That seems a tad bit more reasonable. I'd still have to know how they got those numbers.



According to Aynne's link, the figure for the UK is between 7 and 8.8% of men having used a prostitute at least once. Jeez - there's quite a jump between that and the 70% of the Kinsey report. Aynne's figure chimes a lot better with my experience, I have to say.

But Arpig - are you citing the Kinsey figure of 1948, as mentioned here?


In 1990, 5.6% of 11,000 men asked said they had paid for sex, but by 2000 the figure was over 9%. 

from The Guardian  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/dec/02/gender.uk
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Yet as a study published in the British Medical Journal in 2005 pointed out, “far less is known about the men who pay for sex”. That study found that the proportion of British men who reported paying for heterosexual sex had increased from 5.6 per cent in 1990 to 9 per cent in 2000. Of these, the largest group were in their mid-twenties to mid-thirties, living in London and either single or divorced.

from:  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article627388.ece
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Men who frequent prostitutes:
BY THE NUMBERSThough most of the men interviewed said they believe there is nothing wrong with prostitution, a large majority -- 83 percent -- view buying sex as a form of addiction, according to the study. Most men said they believed women entered prostitution freely, but they acknowledge that the sex trade is devastating to the women involved. About 40 percent of men said they usually are intoxicated when they buy sex.
from:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-05-06/news/0805060528_1_anti-prostitution-attitudes-researchers
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Although I'm not sure what the percentage has to do with much of the OP... *shrug* 


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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/15/2011 3:23:43 AM   
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Dear hannah lynn,
I have seen the underbelly of the world as well.  The stories we could swap.  However, I didn't work in the prostitution side of things.  I certainly dealt with a number of addicts who were also prostitutes to support their habits.  I've seen that.

I spent a little time today looking about (as you can see from my above post) - I chose NOT to use my university's database.  I can just see the librarian's face, "sunshine, you want what article?!" 

I found this one online, though.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/27/the-secret-prostitution-code-of-johns/
I gotta say.... I found it disturbing and disgusting... and totally backing up your words.  I don't think you need anything to back it up.  I believe you and your report of your experience.  Sometimes there is comfort in seeing it in black and white, seeing what others say from a colder, clinical point of view.  I mean no disrespect by posting the link and hope you take my words in the spirit they are meant.

Best wishes to you and yours,
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RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke - 6/15/2011 3:33:09 AM   
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Based upon the behaviour of many of the women I see in the bars on the odd occasion I go........maybe there is less of a need for prostitutes now. They tend to dress like prostitutes. It seems like the guys can usually get it for free.


Exactly.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealth/study-attempts-find-men-pay-sex/story?id=9663694&page=2

Laumann also says that there may never be a universal answer to the question of why men buy prostitutes because the "oldest profession" changes so often depending on time and culture.

For instance, large surveys have showed prostitution in the United States dropped significantly over the last century, while today 1 in 4 men report visiting a prostitute in some parts of southeastern China, according to Laumann.

Prostitution Numbers Vary Over Culture, Time

"The kinds of folks who used prostitution in the modern era are very different than the ones before," Laumann said, speaking of the results of the National Health and Social Life Survey in 1992 which interviewed a random group of 3,432 people. In that survey, which questioned people ages 18-59, about 10 percent of older men reported that their first sexual experience was with a prostitute.

"That goes to zero in the youngest cohort," said Laumann.

The reason, Laumann reasoned, is that the sexual revolution made premarital sex much more accessible. Now young men go to girlfriends for sex and vice versa instead of some young, unmarried people choosing to pay for sex at a local brothel.

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