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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 10:56:34 AM   
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oh for fuck's sake. forced bi is a term used by repressed homos who want to suck cock but don't have the fucking balls to just do it.


lol, I saw this ^ on the scroll and knew it was Hannah!

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 10:56:40 AM   
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oh for fuck's sake. forced bi is a term used by repressed homos who want to suck cock but don't have the fucking balls to just do it.

sweet mary's tits! get out of the fucking closet and think nike!

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Its only gay if your balls touch.


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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 11:01:52 AM   
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Its only gay if your balls touch.
heather might be along to dispute that.

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 11:16:31 AM   
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One can be bisexual, but not bisexual enough to get a turn-on from it unless a Domme is demanding it. People can have more than one motivation to do a thing and without the full complement of said emotions there's not enough to make them want to do that thing. That'd describe my own feelings about 'forced bi', anyway.

TBH, I think this entire discussion suffers from a lack of fuzziness, to use Sea's word. We all know that people get very hot under the collar about whether the cap of 'homosexual' or 'bisexual' fits them. We here at CM also know just how exercised kinksters get over the concept of 'forced' [x]. 'It can't be forced if it's wanted' is too simple, to my mind. If you're a submissive, what are you submitting to? The power of a dominant? How far from the concept of 'force' is that of 'power'? I should say next-door-neighbours, at the farthest, and probably sharing a back garden.

Nah. I'd ease up on this. People give themselves very unnecessary headaches on these, and many related, subjects, here. At bottom, what does it really matter?

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 11:17:16 AM   
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heather might be along to dispute that.


So its not gay if your balls touch? Thank you so much because I was starting to think my enjoyment of feeling the balls of my Mistress' Strapon slapping against mine might be slightly gay.

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 11:23:30 AM   
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oh for fuck's sake. forced bi is a term used by repressed homos who want to suck cock but don't have the fucking balls to just do it.

sweet mary's tits! get out of the fucking closet and think nike!

hannah lynn




Hannah, as a matter of interest, what word do you use to describe having sex? I've often wondered.


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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 12:22:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		it really depends on the fucking context. if i'm just fucking discussing it, i usually say "mutual genital-to-genital stimulation". when i'm feeling fucking sexy and trying to get some other fucker feeling sexy i usually say "coitus", but when doing it and getting lost in the fucking moment i lose all my fucking inhibitions and say "intercourse". i feel like such a fucking dirty slut when that happens.

don't you just fucking love it when you just fucking lose control and shout out "fuck! fucking intercourse me you fucking fucker, fucking intercourse me like you fucking mean it!"

hannah lynn

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 12:27:28 PM   
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it really depends on the fucking context. if i'm just fucking discussing it, i usually say "mutual genital-to-genital stimulation". when i'm feeling fucking sexy and trying to get some other fucker feeling sexy i usually say "coitus", but when doing it and getting lost in the fucking moment i lose all my fucking inhibitions and say "intercourse". i feel like such a fucking dirty slut when that happens.

don't you just fucking love it when you just fucking lose control and shout out "fuck! fucking intercourse me you fucking fucker, fucking intercourse me like you fucking mean it!"

hannah lynn


Ohhhhh my god you pervert!!!!!!!!

I gotta say, thank you for the tear inducing laughter over that one.


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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 12:38:15 PM   
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oh for fuck's sake. forced bi is a term used by repressed homos who want to suck cock but don't have the fucking balls to just do it.

sweet mary's tits! get out of the fucking closet and think nike!

hannah lynn



This is sometimes true when we're *just* talking about the perspective of the submissive in question.  It's also the exact reason that folks like Me avoid that type.

I happen to enjoy watching m/m scenes.  When people do volunteer the information that they are bisexual or at least situationally hetero-flexible, I figure, more viewing pleasure for Me. 

At the same time, I also happen to have this little quirk as a sadist that I enjoy making people do things that they don't want to do.  It doesn't have to be sexual acts with members of the same gender.  It will be, on occasion, things the submissive doesn't waint to do.  It's the internal struggle that's fun.

When somebody doesn't fall into one of those two categories, it's not really that hard to figure out. 


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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 12:41:37 PM   
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it really depends on the fucking context. if i'm just fucking discussing it, i usually say "mutual genital-to-genital stimulation". when i'm feeling fucking sexy and trying to get some other fucker feeling sexy i usually say "coitus", but when doing it and getting lost in the fucking moment i lose all my fucking inhibitions and say "intercourse". i feel like such a fucking dirty slut when that happens.

don't you just fucking love it when you just fucking lose control and shout out "fuck! fucking intercourse me you fucking fucker, fucking intercourse me like you fucking mean it!"

hannah lynn


I usually scream, "Copulate with me, now, copulate with me, hard!"

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:01:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone else getting aroused by all this "dirty" talk? I feel like I am in a British porno

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:07:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

it really depends on the fucking context. if i'm just fucking discussing it, i usually say "mutual genital-to-genital stimulation". when i'm feeling fucking sexy and trying to get some other fucker feeling sexy i usually say "coitus", but when doing it and getting lost in the fucking moment i lose all my fucking inhibitions and say "intercourse". i feel like such a fucking dirty slut when that happens.

don't you just fucking love it when you just fucking lose control and shout out "fuck! fucking intercourse me you fucking fucker, fucking intercourse me like you fucking mean it!"

hannah lynn




You remind me of an old friend who I met at college, name of Clive. Back then he couldn't squeeze a sentence out without using the word 'fucking'. He acquired the nickname 'Fucking Clive'. Three decades later and most of his friends still call him that. Once, he even got a letter from the House of Commons addressed to 'Mr Fucking Clive X'. (Heh. I sent it. I had a job as an assistant there at the time.)




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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:13:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL Peon: what word do you use to describe having sex?


Reminds me of a joke about a very straight laced couple who used an odd euphemism to describe sex: doing the laundry. Each a virgin, they would talk about sex using this term while engaged. Finally they married and off they went to their honeymoon. At night in their honeymoon suite, the man asked with eager anticipation:

"Honey, would you like to do the laundry?!"

"Not now dear. The travel has made me weary and I have a headache."

"Ok, honey. No problem."

Later the woman awakened to a sense of guilt. This man had waited his entire life for this consummation and she turned him down for being a bit tired. She turned to him and began to gently bring him to awakening.

"Honey? Honey? Sorry I wasn't ready then. Let's do the laundry if you want to do it now."

He responded:

"It's ok, Honey. It was a small load. I did it by hand."

;-)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
it really depends on the fucking context...[snip].


Funny ;-)

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:14:38 PM   
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This is sometimes true when we're *just* talking about the perspective of the submissive in question.  It's also the exact reason that folks like Me avoid that type.

I happen to enjoy watching m/m scenes.  When people do volunteer the information that they are bisexual or at least situationally hetero-flexible, I figure, more viewing pleasure for Me. 


Honestly, LP, I don't see the need to reach for terms that are awkward on the tongue. When I get hungry, I eat. I don't always eat chicken, because I don't always have a yen for chicken. People have mixed motivations. Simples!

You know, I don't even care if people aren't honest about their feelings on this. Why, exactly, is that important, either? Do we always need to explore our deepest and innermost before going ahead to give ourselves a buzz? Bi-sex isn't immoral, it doesn't hurt anyone and, for most of us reading here, it's not even illegal. So sod it. Let's just have fun.



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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:20:08 PM   
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"It's ok, Honey. It was a small load. I did it by hand."



I bet that really happened, and I bet it happened here in Bristol, UK, too.


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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:27:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		We live in a world where the same term might be used to describe different scenarios.

For example, if a submissive describes himself as bisexual, various interpretations could apply: it could mean (a) he regularly seeks bisexual contact (which has implications for a potential partner who seeks monogamy), (b) he could have a monogamous relationship with either sex, (c) he seeks committed relationships with one sex but can have sexual relationship with either sex, (d) he has sexual or intimate relationships with one sex but can engage in non-sexual or non-intimate BDSM activity with either sex, or, (e) as some feel in this thread, he wants to engage in sex with the same sex under the context of being ordered to do so.

Discussions of this type can help people sort out and recognize the different scenarios and broaden their general knowledge and understanding. Sometimes this distinction matters, sometimes not. For example, the distinction between scenario a and scenario b could be important for a prospective partner who seeks monogamy.

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:29:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I bet that really happened, and I bet it happened here in Bristol, UK, too.


After laundry, do people leave things to hang to dry in Bristol?

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:30:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Back2theFuture

True but how often does the Sub tell the Domme what to do or not to do to them. Personally For me that qualifies as topping from the bottom.

But anywho isn't half the fun not knowing what will come next?



I don't think that telling your dominant "Wow, that scene over there, between Joe and Mary. That is awesomely hot" qualifies as topping from the bottom.

It's giving them information they can choose to use in the future if they so desire.

As far as not knowing what will happen is by definition a good thing? It is for you obviously. You enjoy being surprised and scrambling to adapt. Others prefer some time to wrap their heads around things before being confronted by them.


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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:44:07 PM   
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True but how often does the Sub tell the Domme what to do or not to do to them. Personally For me that qualifies as topping from the bottom.

But anywho isn't half the fun not knowing what will come next?


I don't think simply sharing an interest (vs demanding it be done) is topping from the bottom. I agree that not knowing what will come, and for the activity to come from the domme's mind independently (vs being suggested) is much hotter. It is for this reason, I am not keen on asking for or suggesting BDSM activity and infrequently do it.

For some dommes, however, it is important to hear it from the sub.

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I am not saying they all are but it is a interesting theory if nothing else.


Fair enough. I agree that the theory about a latent interest in bisexuality does apply in some cases.

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That is really not the same. For example instead of lets say jumping in a pool. Lets say that The Sub and Domme observe another Domme and Sub engaging in Puppy Play. It appeals to him and he begins wishing that his Domme would do the same to him.


Just as there are different languages or modes people use to express or receive love or fondness (the concept of love languages), I believe there are different languages or modes people use to express or receive dominance and submission. Being forced to do something unpleasant itself is one way people experience dominance and submission. I can see that it is a bit of quagmire when one says they like something they don't otherwise like. But I think those who like to be forced as part of their D/s dynamic seek out such situations. It's not a draw to the activity itself but instead a draw to be forced (as an expression of D/s), and to be forced one then has to identify an activity that this person does not ordinarily like.

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RE: Forced Bi - 6/15/2011 1:44:27 PM   
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We live in a world where the same term might be used to describe different scenarios.

For example, if a submissive describes himself as bisexual, various interpretations could apply: it could mean (a) he regularly seeks bisexual contact (which has implications for a potential partner who seeks monogamy), (b) he could have a monogamous relationship with either sex, (c) he seeks committed relationships with one sex but can have sexual relationship with either sex, (d) he has sexual or intimate relationships with one sex but can engage in non-sexual or non-intimate BDSM activity with either sex, or, (e) as some feel in this thread, he wants to engage in sex with the same sex under the context of being ordered to do so.

Discussions of this type can help people sort out and recognize the different scenarios and broaden their general knowledge and understanding. Sometimes this distinction matters, sometimes not. For example, the distinction between scenario a and scenario b could be important for a prospective partner who seeks monogamy.



Yep, OK, fair points. It's quite rare for me to think that we're all over-thinking something. Even then, after I've thought about it, I usually think we should continue thinking about it, I think.


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