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PeonForHer -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 1:45:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer [:D] I bet that really happened, and I bet it happened here in Bristol, UK, too. After laundry, do people leave things to hang to dry in Bristol? Urrgh. Disgusting, even by Brit standards. ;-)

undergroundsea -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 1:46:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Yep, OK, fair points. It's quite rare for me to think that we're all over-thinking something. Even then, after I've thought about it, I usually think we should continue thinking about it, I think. Well it's kinda like what Descartes said: Cogito ergo sub :p Cheers, Sea

LadyConstanze -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 1:55:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather oh for fuck's sake. forced bi is a term used by repressed homos who want to suck cock but don't have the fucking balls to just do it. sweet mary's tits! get out of the fucking closet and think nike! hannah lynn Made me laugh because it is so true, and quite so funny because they all have a choice, if it's consensual non-consensual, it's still a choice, reminds me of those moronic mails in all our inboxes about guys wanting to be "forced" to worship our bits... Er yeah, so much force needed, I always dream of finding a not too clean female homeless person who's also a bit horny and then have the guy worship there, I mean they want it a bit forced...

PeonForHer -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 2:00:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I think that if you, Hannah and Sea are going to continue to be disgusting, you should all be forced to go to bed early.

Back2theFuture -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 2:01:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: Back2theFuture True but how often does the Sub tell the Domme what to do or not to do to them. Personally For me that qualifies as topping from the bottom. But anywho isn't half the fun not knowing what will come next? I don't think that telling your dominant "Wow, that scene over there, between Joe and Mary. That is awesomely hot" qualifies as topping from the bottom. It's giving them information they can choose to use in the future if they so desire. As far as not knowing what will happen is by definition a good thing? It is for you obviously. You enjoy being surprised and scrambling to adapt. Others prefer some time to wrap their heads around things before being confronted by them. True when asked for your input a slave/sub may obviously put forth their opinion but they do not tell their Dom/me what they want to do. And hint dropping such as "Hey check this out' or "Hey check that out" is a heck of a lot more subtle than "Hey make me suck a guys dick". Grace and tact my man, grace and tact. Even then you may not always get what you wish for, wich is part of the coin flip that is BDSM, and which is why I all way recommend that you find someone who loves, if not enjoys it more than you, your kinks. Lastly being able to adapt and change on a whim is a extremely useful if not basic skill for the play things of Dommes. Women are such whimsical creatures and just enjoy changing the rules on you in a flash, and which is why we love them so. Having a game plan is good, but you should still have a backup in case it rains.

LadyPact -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 2:06:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Honestly, LP, I don't see the need to reach for terms that are awkward on the tongue. When I get hungry, I eat. I don't always eat chicken, because I don't always have a yen for chicken. People have mixed motivations. Simples! You know, I don't even care if people aren't honest about their feelings on this. Why, exactly, is that important, either? Do we always need to explore our deepest and innermost before going ahead to give ourselves a buzz? Bi-sex isn't immoral, it doesn't hurt anyone and, for most of us reading here, it's not even illegal. So sod it. Let's just have fun. Consider it a preemptive strike, peon. I'm hoping it will prevent the ever expected (yet fully ignorant) comments of 'anybody who engages in a sexual act with the same gender is bisexual' nonsense.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 2:46:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Consider it a preemptive strike, peon. I'm hoping it will prevent the ever expected (yet fully ignorant) comments of 'anybody who engages in a sexual act with the same gender is bisexual' nonsense. [/color] Well, no but if somebody regularly seeks out members of their own gender to have sex with them, then the "I'm really not bisexual but very straight" doesn't fly anymore, let's say for example I'd go into a bunch of bars to pick somebody up, and quite often it's a woman, I couldn't claim to be strictly heterosexual. Same as a guy who claims to be homosexual enjoys having sex with women, I'd consider him bisexual, and there's effing all wrong with it, as a very bisexual friend of mine said "You double your chances of getting laid..."

LadyPact -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 3:03:14 PM)
No problem with that, Lady C. However, you're talking about those who is specifically following their own desires. This is something completely different than a sub who does something purely out of obeying the Dominant. They may not want to do it at all if the Dominant's will isn't involved.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 3:08:48 PM)
Well, no, then they are certainly not bisexual, especially not if they really only do it to please the dominant - but I'd also wouldn't call it truly forced, because then they would always have the choice to call the relationship off. It's a bit like work, I'm not "forced" to work but if I want a pay check, there's no way around it.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 3:17:14 PM)
quote: I usually scream, "Copulate with me, now, copulate with me, hard!" you, you. you actually say the "c" word? and you fucking kiss your fucking mother with that fucking mouth? i need a fucking shower just reading it for fuck's sake.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 3:25:13 PM)
quote: "Wow, that scene over there, between Joe and Mary. That is awesomely hot" It really was, and the finale was, just....all I can say is....JESUS! <sorry, couldn't resist>

windchymes -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 3:28:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: I usually scream, "Copulate with me, now, copulate with me, hard!" you, you. you actually say the "c" word? and you fucking kiss your fucking mother with that fucking mouth? i need a fucking shower just reading it for fuck's sake. With fucking tongue!!! [:D][:D][:D] okay, not really, yuk. [:'(]

Marini -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 3:59:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009 quote: ORIGINAL: Back2theFuture [b]From what I can discern from many of these type of Profiles is that they want to preform a homosexual(or bisexual) act while being able to rationalize it to themselves if not others as "I was forced to do it". As if they are having problems coming to terms with some slight Homophobia.I find it hard to consider it "forced" if it is what they want to do. Forced would be doing something you don't want to do. Exactly! The way I see it is that if you ask for it, then it's not "forced". Come to think of it, sometimes it is FORCED, I have had MANY trying to FORCE me to FORCE THEM! Ain't that a bitch. [:D] We see far too many male subs come on here and beg the Dommes to "force" them to suck another man's cock. Yet those same male subs will inevitably add a line in their post that says something like "I'm completely straight. I've never had a gay or bi thought in my life. I'm not the least bit attracted to other men. I just want to be forced to go into a gay bar and suck every cock in the room. I also want to be forced to swallow the cum from every cock that I'm forced to suck. It would really be great if she forced me to suck at least 10 cocks in a row." [8\|]Only 10 cocks! I say force them to become a cock slave! To me, that's a clear sign that the person is either in denial, or they're completely confused about their sexuality. DENIAL As I say on here so often, I have nothing against gay or bi-sexual people. But I do have a problem with gay or bi-sexual people who are lying to themselves about their own feelings. IMO, they should at least be honest enough to admit that they're bi-curious. Once they do that, then they can begin the process of honestly exploring their feelings. [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif] We all have our "kinks", but I just have zero interest in men that ask me/approach me for it/or have on their profiles they are looking for someone "to force them bi". I don't think I have EVER seen a female with this on her profile. [8\|] There is someone for everyone in this world, but a man asking/begging/requesting me to force him bi, is a man I will never be with.. I would consider a man that is bisexual, but I can't consider men asking me to force them into bisexual activitites. I am glad to see a man write this post!! [;)] We all have our kinks, but men begging me to force them bi, is just one that does not work for me.\| I am also the woman that met the cutest male gay couple in the world, and considered joining them in the bed. Can you say I had/have a crush on them? They are doll babies and treated me so very well. [;)]But thats another story. Peace

Hisprettybaby -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 4:00:26 PM)
When a profile says the person is into "forced bi," I find it hard to believe it's "forced." If they're "into" it, it's not forced no matter what the rationalization behind it. If the person was totally 100% against it and absolutely refused to do it willingly, I'd think it would be a hard limit. And if they were forced to do it non-consensually it would be rape and a crime. ~Hisprettybaby~

Back2theFuture -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 4:04:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby When a profile says the person is into "forced bi," I find it hard to believe it's "forced." If they're "into" it, it's not forced no matter what the rationalization behind it. If the person was totally 100% against it and absolutely refused to do it willingly, I'd think it would be a hard limit. And if they were forced to do it non-consensually it would be rape and a crime. ~Hisprettybaby~ Pretty much a Catch 22 wouldn't you say?

PeonForHer -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 4:29:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Consider it a preemptive strike, peon. I'm hoping it will prevent the ever expected (yet fully ignorant) comments of 'anybody who engages in a sexual act with the same gender is bisexual' nonsense. [/color] Nice try, LP. But I think people'll just settle back comfortably into the usual tired old 'logic' anyway.

PeonForHer -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 4:37:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby When a profile says the person is into "forced bi," I find it hard to believe it's "forced." If they're "into" it, it's not forced no matter what the rationalization behind it. If the person was totally 100% against it and absolutely refused to do it willingly, I'd think it would be a hard limit. And if they were forced to do it non-consensually it would be rape and a crime. OK, here's another one: If you consider yourself a submissive, then that must be because you want to submit to something. Presumably that thing you want to submit to is his power and his 'force', no? Maybe none of us is really a submissive, since none of us really wants to be 'forced' to do anything. In my fantasies I BS myself that I'm always doing what 'she' wants, but the truth is, I'm doing what I want - it's just that I get turned on by her demanding that I do it.

Marini -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 4:38:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Consider it a preemptive strike, peon. I'm hoping it will prevent the ever expected (yet fully ignorant) comments of 'anybody who engages in a sexual act with the same gender is bisexual' nonsense. [/color] Nice try, LP. But I think people'll just settle back comfortably into the usual tired old 'logic' anyway. The thing is Peon, we are talking about several different aspects of this term. I enjoy talking about men, that approach me and ask/beg for it. If you were a woman and a man/men kept asking/begging/pleading for you to "force them" into bisexual activity, you might see it a tad differently. I personally, am ONLY talking about men that ask/beg for it, and do NOT want to be in a relationship with me or anyone, unless they endulge/or engage them into forced-bi activities. Even after I tell them, I have ZERO interest in doing that for/to them. Many then stomp off, lol. Now if they want me to force them, into activities I am interested in, so be it! lol, I will not allow a man to FORCE me into Forcing him into something I have no interest in. Everyone is different, so this hardly applies to all, it applies to the ones that beg/plead/and whine for it.

PeonForHer -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 5:06:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini The thing is Peon, we are talking about several different aspects of this term. I enjoy talking about men, that approach me and ask/beg for it. If you were a woman and a man/men kept asking/begging/pleading for you to "force them" into bisexual activity, you might see it a tad differently. I would! I'd see this as a sign of an obsession with one specific act. 'One-trick subs', I call them. Fine, if the dominant's only into that one trick him/herself; but not fine for most people using these forums. quote: lol, I will not allow a man to FORCE me into Forcing him into something I have no interest in. Well, you'd definitely have to give up your dominant's card if you did! Me, the slightest sign of my having pressured a femdom into doing something - or even of her doing it as a favour for me - is depressing. Droop time. Well, maybe excepting 'birthday treats'.

kickable -> RE: Forced Bi (6/15/2011 5:49:21 PM)
Thanks to all for expressing your views. I'm overwhelmed by the responses. I am not looking for a bi or gay experience, forced or otherwise. I do believe an experienced is forced if a sub is coerced, pressuried bullied etc to an experience the sub would not seek on his/her own. To say it's not forced, or you're not forcing someone, is to not understand the meaning of the word forced, in my opinion. Heck, even in a spanking, a Domme forced the sub to accept pain. I think some are afraid of being labeled as participating in non-consenual activities if they own up to "forcing" behavior on a sub. I'd make the point that it can be forced and also be consensual. Because someone gives in doesn't mean they're not being forced. I'm frankly surprised more Female Dominants aren't sensitive to this point of view. I believe part of the enjoyment for Dommes is to expand the boundaries of a sub, to tease, tempt, coerce, pressure, demand (force) a sub to try new things, especially things the sub resists. Would I give in to a forced bi scenario? I don't know. There might be a woman who could make (force) me accept a gay experience, depending on Her Dominance of me and our relationship. It would be nice if such a Domme would own up to forcing me to do something I wouldn't want. For a long time, I wondered why nearly every Domme presses me on the bi issue. I think my resistance is why and the Dommes want their will to prevail. The Dommes have respected my limits, but relationships cooled and did not proceed. One Domme outright dumped me. It's interesting to see the diversity of viewpoints. I'm apparently in the minority, wanting to see a Dominatrix who proudly says, "Yea, I forced him. He knew what he was getting into and he stayed. He's that devoted to me." It seems to me a betrayal not to own up to pressuring, coercing, bullying, prodding (forcing). Thanks again for the responses.

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