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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 11:38:26 AM   
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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 12:03:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I look at it this way muffin.  Different jobs require a different mindset.

Here is the simplest example.

The Public Defender NEEDS to be a hard core bleeding heart liberal, champion of the poor and opressed and all that.  Dem

The District Attorney, on the other hand, needs to be a straight and narrow, law and order kind of guy that will take no prisoners.  Rep

Other stuff isn't so clear cut but, hopefully, you get the idea.

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 3:58:51 PM   
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Thanks for all the info Louve, what a scum sucking ditch hog


Scum sucking ditch hog ?   You have been away from Blighty too long Lucy.

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 4:01:53 PM   
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I can see IM going to have to practise

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 4:09:01 PM   
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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 4:11:21 PM   
LadyPact


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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 4:52:46 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		How is that LP,being an asshole does not of necessity require one to use drugs....I have known many assholes who never used....conversely I have known some mighty bright guys who liked to spark up now and than.

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 5:08:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Depends on what they're stoned on fargle.


I used to hang with truckers. They smoked pot to come down from the speedy stuff. Although government workers wouldn't have the same need to medicate in order to drive long hours to make more money and their dispatchers happy (log books be damned).

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 5:10:24 PM   
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D my oath and not mention what we call them.....lol.

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 5:43:04 PM   
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Log books are of course referred to as something entirely different by the drivers who keep them..as a former CDL holder I must upho
D my oath and not mention what we call them.....lol.


I bet it began with an L, ended with an E, and had another vowel in the middle?

I should add that I'm not claiming "all truckers use drugs" but just referring to the ones I hung around with in the 80's, and that their use was less recreational than work-related.

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 5:45:49 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		Long haul truckers usually use something a little stronger than coffee to keep themselves awake....let's start with over the counter caffiene pills.....and work our way up!

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 6:20:25 PM   
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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 6:58:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I look at it this way muffin.  Different jobs require a different mindset.

Here is the simplest example.

The Public Defender NEEDS to be a hard core bleeding heart liberal, champion of the poor and opressed and all that.  Dem

The District Attorney, on the other hand, needs to be a straight and narrow, law and order kind of guy that will take no prisoners.  Rep

Other stuff isn't so clear cut but, hopefully, you get the idea.



So your opinion is that neither of them should be interested in justice?

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 7:57:36 PM   
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I been warped by the rain, driven by the snow
I'm drunk and dirty, don't ya know,
And I'm still willin'
Out on the road late last night,
Seen my pretty Alice in every head light
Alice, Dallas Alice

I've been from Tucson to Tucumcari
Tehachapi to Tonapah
Driven every kind of rig that's ever been made
I've driven the back roads so I wouldn't get weighed
If you give me: weed, whites, and wine
And you show me a sign
I'll be willin' to be movin'

I've been kicked by the wind, robbed by the sleet
Had my head stoved in, but I'm still on my feet
And I'm still... willin'
Now I smuggled some smokes and folks from Mexico
Baked by the sun, every time I go to Mexico
And I been from Tuscon to Tucumcari
Tehachapi to Tonapah
I've driven every kind of rig that's ever been made
I've driven the back roads so I wouldn't get weighed
And if you give me: weed, whites, and wine
And you show me a sign I'll be willin' to be movin'


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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/17/2011 8:24:05 PM   
Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I look at it this way muffin.  Different jobs require a different mindset.

Here is the simplest example.

The Public Defender NEEDS to be a hard core bleeding heart liberal, champion of the poor and opressed and all that.  Dem

The District Attorney, on the other hand, needs to be a straight and narrow, law and order kind of guy that will take no prisoners.  Rep

Other stuff isn't so clear cut but, hopefully, you get the idea.



So your opinion is that neither of them should be interested in justice?

My opinion is that both should be interested in their version of justice.

Remember the Indian saga of the blind men and the elephant.


It will balance out in the end.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 6/17/2011 8:25:53 PM >

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/18/2011 3:37:03 PM   
EternalHoH


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Status: offline 		From the employer's view, what makes the state any different from the private sector when it comes to the employer's right to require drug testing?

I worked in plenty of white collar jobs in the private sector that required drug testing, even though my job did not involve public safety. If I didnt like that, I was free to move along down the line and work somewhere else.

Why is the ACLU picking a fight now?

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/18/2011 6:02:01 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		I'm not in favour of drug testing. There are valid arguments that can be made for them in certain jobs, but I still see them as an unreasonable invasion of privacy.

In my view, they should be required to have reasonable cause for suspicion before being able to require a drug test in any position.



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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/18/2011 6:05:51 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		fargle, I clicked your link and was disappointed. I was hoping it was this version...

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 6/19/2011 12:45:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqv85coyTw

quote:



I been warped by the rain, driven by the snow
I'm drunk and dirty, don't ya know,
And I'm still willin'
Out on the road late last night,
Seen my pretty Alice in every head light
Alice, Dallas Alice

I've been from Tucson to Tucumcari
Tehachapi to Tonapah
Driven every kind of rig that's ever been made
I've driven the back roads so I wouldn't get weighed
If you give me: weed, whites, and wine
And you show me a sign
I'll be willin' to be movin'

I've been kicked by the wind, robbed by the sleet
Had my head stoved in, but I'm still on my feet
And I'm still... willin'
Now I smuggled some smokes and folks from Mexico
Baked by the sun, every time I go to Mexico
And I been from Tuscon to Tucumcari
Tehachapi to Tonapah
I've driven every kind of rig that's ever been made
I've driven the back roads so I wouldn't get weighed
And if you give me: weed, whites, and wine
And you show me a sign I'll be willin' to be movin'

I can never listen to that without getting all teary-eyed. Some weird nostalgia thing. Or else hormones...


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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 7/8/2011 11:40:10 AM   
thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I look at it this way muffin.  Different jobs require a different mindset.

Here is the simplest example.

The Public Defender NEEDS to be a hard core bleeding heart liberal, champion of the poor and opressed and all that.  Dem

The District Attorney, on the other hand, needs to be a straight and narrow, law and order kind of guy that will take no prisoners.  Rep

Other stuff isn't so clear cut but, hopefully, you get the idea.



So your opinion is that neither of them should be interested in justice?

My opinion is that both should be interested in their version of justice.

Remember the Indian saga of the blind men and the elephant.


It will balance out in the end.



You seem to look at justice as a function of the "last man standing" as opposed to some moral absolute.

jus·tice
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–noun
1.
the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
2.
rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason: to complain with justice.
3.
the moral principle determining just conduct.
4.
conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.

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